Future of Hawks Basketball

[D21]

I didn't advocate a rebuild simply questioning the sentiment that if Al leaves the team is doomed as though the alternative has been particularly desirable around this board.

I know, my answer was not directly from your post, but exactly from all the posts with this possibility
I'm just sad we had to think about it when we were one (or two) good players away from be a real contender.
I'm sure that if Gasol and someone like Deng had signed here, we were fighting for the Finals last year, and certainly again this year.
I understand Deng with the scouting report problem, but I'd be curious to know why Gasol prefered CHI and can't see now that he had to come here, and that ATL seems to not be interested (but "no leak"...)

[Geaux_Hawks]

I didn't advocate a rebuild simply questioning the sentiment that if Al leaves the team is doomed as though the alternative has been particularly desirable around this board.

I know, my answer was not directly from your post, but exactly from all the posts with this possibility
I'm just sad we had to think about it when we were one (or two) good players away from be a real contender.
I'm sure that if Gasol and someone like Deng had signed here, we were fighting for the Finals last year, and certainly again this year.

I can see your points and concern. I too believe we probably aren't far from being a real threat to the Cavs, but Buds isn't the right man to be making these decisions. If Ferry was here, I think we would have made some moves at the deadline or before(trading Teague) and would have got the push we needed.

With that said, are we really going to overpay for Al Horford to stay, and not make other moves? Is Al Horford that much important to the team that we would trade away a better player in Milsap if we were to sign Dwight Howard, just to remain loyal to Horford? I mean I wouldn't mind Horford coming back, but we definitely need to see what Milsaps brings back before making that choice.

If we can't get the right amount of value for Sap, then we should just let Al walk and bring in Howard if he wants to come. If not, then sell Sap to the highest bidder, and start the rebuild. Take a shot at a star in the draft, re-do this thing the right way with proper guidance instead of the bull crap we had to endure before with Sund/Knight.

[D21]

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With that said, are we really going to overpay for Al Horford to stay, and not make other moves?...

By adding new player, we increase the chance of not overpaying to much.
If we just re-sign Al and Baze, they will want as much as they can ask.
If we add Howard into the mix, or another guy, they have less money (especially Baze) but also increase their chance of title.

[Jamaaliver]

So...


What exactly is our future?

• Is it building around DS?
  
• Is it keeping Millsap?
  
• Is it gaining a lottery talent next summer and surrounding him with vets?
• Is it Gordon Hayward and/or Derrick Favors?
  
• Is it another unimpressive playoff run that ends in the 2nd round?

Where do we go from here?

I can't even say Prince is a definite keeper. (Who knows at this point?)

I don't think Bazemore or THJ are worth keeping. And I suspect Coach Bud is going to lose some personnel authority sooner than later.

[simon24]

So...


What exactly is our future?

• Is it building around DS?
  
• Is it keeping Millsap?
  
• Is it gaining a lottery talent next summer and surrounding him with vets?
• Is it Gordon Hayward and/or Derrick Favors?
  
• Is it another unimpressive playoff run that ends in the 2nd round?

Where do we go from here?

I can't even say Prince is a definite keeper. (Who knows at this point?)

I don't think Bazemore or THJ are worth keeping. And I suspect Coach Bud is going to lose some personnel authority sooner than later.

I don't think the future is around a particular player. I just think it's a system. Bud went big while the NBA is going smaller.

I think Millsap walks for nothing. There's no chance ATL offers him the full 30+ mil a year max that he would want. I expect Boston to give it to him. 30+ mil a year, playing with Horford again, getting recruited by IT, Crowder, Stevens and Horford would be hard for him to turn down.

I'm hoping they get a lottery talent but knowing ATL, Bud isn't going to do anything, just be happy to make the playoffs and lose in the 2nd round (if they make it that far again).

I'd trade Millsap and try hard to get young talent and a 2017/2018 1st. Shut down Dwight and save him for next season. Buyout Korver and Thabo and let Prince and Bremby get more PT.

Dennis needs a sidekick, a SG that can create his own shot, be a playmaker and shoot the 3 to take pressure off him.

[Jamaaliver]

One neutral observer notes:

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we haven't been good at making tough decisions in regards to our players.

[Jamaaliver]

REALGM runs a ranking of each franchises portfolio of talent and valued assets. They rank us in the bottom five for 2016:

We have created a year-end team portfolio ranking for the NBA. The exercise is to evaluate every team as if they were a portfolio of assets to determine which is most valuable in terms of their on-floor capabilities.

The only considerations are talent, age, cap flexibility and future draft picks with the goal being to eventually compete for and win the NBA Finals:


26. Atlanta Hawks (Last Year - 24): The Hawks are an astonishingly old team with Paul Millsap and Kyle Korver in walk years. Regardless of whether Millsap leaves in free agency or signs a multi-year deal at the age of 32 this summer, the Hawks don’t have any comforting options on how to move forward regarding him.

Atlanta will receive a valuable high second round pick from Brooklyn this June and a future first rounder from Minnesota. Otherwise, this team is an aging Dwight Howard, a league average point guard in Dennis Schroder and Hawks University.

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[BucksPackers]

What would you guys want from the bucks for Howard or Milsap. Giannis and Parker will not be in any trades by the way.

[Jamaaliver]

What would you guys want from the bucks for Howard or Milsap. Giannis and Parker will not be in any trades by the way.

Khris Middleton for anyone on our roster not named 'Dennis'.

[BucksPackers]

What would you guys want from the bucks for Howard or Milsap. Giannis and Parker will not be in any trades by the way.

Khris Middleton for anyone on our roster not named 'Dennis'.

Milsap and bazemore for Middleton and plumleee.

Would that be something to consider?

[Jamaaliver]

What would you guys want from the bucks for Howard or Milsap. Giannis and Parker will not be in any trades by the way.

Khris Middleton for anyone on our roster not named 'Dennis'.

Milsap and bazemore for Middleton and plumleee.

Would that be something to consider?

Yes.

Yes, it would.


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[Jamaaliver]

REALGM runs a ranking of each franchises portfolio of talent and valued assets. They rank us in the bottom five for 2016:

Spoiler:

We have created a year-end team portfolio ranking for the NBA. The exercise is to evaluate every team as if they were a portfolio of assets to determine which is most valuable in terms of their on-floor capabilities.

The only considerations are talent, age, cap flexibility and future draft picks with the goal being to eventually compete for and win the NBA Finals:


26. Atlanta Hawks (Last Year - 24): The Hawks are an astonishingly old team with Paul Millsap and Kyle Korver in walk years. Regardless of whether Millsap leaves in free agency or signs a multi-year deal at the age of 32 this summer, the Hawks don’t have any comforting options on how to move forward regarding him.

Atlanta will receive a valuable high second round pick from Brooklyn this June and a future first rounder from Minnesota. Otherwise, this team is an aging Dwight Howard, a league average point guard in Dennis Schroder and Hawks University.

Here

Nine months later...ESPN co-signs this assessment, dropping us to #28 overall:

In Atlanta, the past two seasons showed a team focused on the now and not the long-term picture. Case in point: Atlanta declined to move All-Stars Al Horford and Paul Millsap at the past two trade deadlines only to lose them in free agency five months later.

Now with the hiring of former Warriors assistant GM Travis Schlenk, there is a clear direction, even if the Hawks dropped six spots in the rankings from last year.



The good news for the Hawks is that there is a clear path to rebuilding. The Hawks rank in the top five in both money and the draft. Atlanta could have five first-round picks in the next two years. The Hawks are projected to finish in the lottery and also have the Timberwolves' (protected 1-14) and Rockets' (top-3 protected) picks next June.

Atlanta could have $35-40 million in cap space to spend or roll it over to the summer of 2019, when they have the Cavaliers' first (top-10 protected) and their own first in the draft.

ESPN Insider



ESPN had us ranked #23 last summer. And #21 two years ago...coming off the 60 win season.

[graymule]

Nice thing about being ranked last:
There is no place to fall. We're already there!

[jayu70]

Nice thing about being ranked last:
There is no place to fall. We're already there!

Only place to go is up.