BigSleep333 wrote:chrispatrick wrote:BigSleep333 wrote:only other posibilities are lal17 or a 3 teamer where we would trade noel and you get the return for him, instead of the future pick...no simmons
both addons feels like massive overpays. i know you guys want to squeeze every drop out of the fruit , but philly is not close to win-now mode. would we, i think it would be possible
Addons are generally meaningless. I understand you wouldn't want to trade Simmons, but if I had to assign value to your guys on a 10 point scale, I would do it as follows. The reason guys like Okafor/Noel aren't worth anything is because they're not going to give you much impact now, and by the time they are productive (if that time comes), you have to pay them their full FMV on their 2nd contracts. They also have zero chance of outperforming a max deal the way Butler currently is and people hope Simmons/2017 first rounder will.
Now, you're right, Philly has no reason to want to trade Simmons for Butler because they're not in win now mode. Butler would immediately make them too good to obtain top 5 picks going forward but not good enough to break into that next tier unless Embiid really maximizes his potential going forward. This is why a team likely to deal for Butler is more in win now mode, which pretty much leaves the Celtics as the only team with the assets to maybe get it done.
Butler - 9 (and he's good enough on his own that your 2018 first round pick wouldn't be all that attractive).
Simmons - 8
2017 First Rounder - 7
Okafor - 1
Noel - 1
Luwawu - .5
come on... search up noels unique defensive statistics. pretty sure he has some of the rarest stl/blk combination at center-position. okafor is already one of the best postscorers in the league, as a 21 year old. if gou give them a 1 out of 10 on a value-scale they both will play forever in philly 10 mins per game. i woud be fine with 6-5 on that scale, but 1? u gotta be joking
Noel has one year left on his rookie contract and once that expires his value (relative to his contract) will be 0, because he'll be a handsomely paid under the new cap structure non-impact player at that time. You win because guys outperform their contracts, whether it's a star outperforming a max contract or a young player outperforming a rookie contact. I think most guys in the NBA are close to 0 because almost any player on a veteran contract (excluding an all-star who outperforms his max salary contract) can be replaced in free agency. I'm aware Noel is a very useful defensive player, who is the opposite of that on the other end of the floor.
It's rare that a non-star veteran outperforms his 2nd contract. I don't think Noel is a bad player, I just think he has little to no chance of outperforming his 2nd contract... for reference, if I was to look at the Bulls roster, I would value our assets as follows, remember, this is heavily influenced by each player's age and contract:
Butler 9
Taj 1
McDermott .5
Mirotic .5
Wade .5
Carter-Williams .5
Valentine .5
Grant 0
Portis 0
Canaan 0
Rondo -.5
Guys like Butler, Simmons, Embiid, your 1st rounder have exponentially more value than the remaining players on either roster. Unfortunately for us, we only have 1 key piece with any real value, your team has 3.
