Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[xNewYorkMadex]

ALways felt his biggest issue when attacking the basket is his inability to kick it back out to a shooter.

I really think he doesnt know how to make that type of pass. When he does make it, its often inaccurate. Ive noticed this before the season started so its not surprising, but hes always had a bad habit of jump passing. Which results in some of the dumbest turnovers.

Rose is just a bad bad PG. Hes only useful when hes actually hitting his floaters. When he isnt, just terrible. Rose and Jennings are just way too 1 dimensional which is again killing our PG production.

I'd much rather let Melo handle the rock when they are both in the game. I dont love Melo's bball iq, but its much better than Rose.

After tonights (and last night) I stand by this statement.

I know Melo will mess up from time to time with his passing, but I trust him WAY more than Rose in the halfcourt. Melo can at least find open guys. Rose doesnt. I trust him even more than Jennings, Jennings runs around the court doing nothing looking for the Rondo selfish assist. Doesnt help when BJ isnt a threat at all to score the ball.

[dakomish23]

ALways felt his biggest issue when attacking the basket is his inability to kick it back out to a shooter.

I really think he doesnt know how to make that type of pass. When he does make it, its often inaccurate. Ive noticed this before the season started so its not surprising, but hes always had a bad habit of jump passing. Which results in some of the dumbest turnovers.

Rose is just a bad bad PG. Hes only useful when hes actually hitting his floaters. When he isnt, just terrible. Rose and Jennings are just way too 1 dimensional which is again killing our PG production.

I'd much rather let Melo handle the rock when they are both in the game. I dont love Melo's bball iq, but its much better than Rose.

After tonights (and last night) I stand by this statement.

I know Melo will mess up from time to time with his passing, but I trust him WAY more than Rose in the halfcourt. Melo can at least find open guys. Rose doesnt. I trust him even more than Jennings, Jennings runs around the court doing nothing looking for the Rondo selfish assist. Doesnt help when BJ isnt a threat at all to score the ball.

Good call

[dakomish23]

Rose hurts defensive balance a lot more when he gets destroyed on every pick that he runs into. Dennis Schroeder and the Hawks put on a clinic on how to pick n roll costarring Derrick Rose.

You realize that it's the bigs job to stop that, right? The big has to hedge aggressively. Watch this clip, middle school coaching...

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He's not a good 1 on 1 defender but the bigs have to do better away from the hoop. Otherwise, we have no chance. That's a big reason why Duncan and KG played on such great defenses. They contained that guard and could recover to the roll guy.

Jennings dies on the picks all the time. I agree though the bigs have to hedge better and recover. It's either one or the other with these guys though

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well...he played better for a little while but almost half way through the season and.....let's hope not

[King of Canada]

Unless Rose can somehow start hitting the open man at a much higher rate, there is no way he's coming back here.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Unless Rose can somehow start hitting the open man at a much higher rate, there is no way he's coming back here.

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

[King of Canada]

Unless Rose can somehow start hitting the open man at a much higher rate, there is no way he's coming back here.

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

Rose needs to be with a player like Lebron that can take the ball out of his hands. I don't hate the guy or anything, and support him as a Knick, but I've completely sick of seeing him forcing shots through the arms of two defenders, and then throwing his arms in the air as he yells at the ref. That double team means that somebody is open!

[Oscirus]

I'm all in on rebuilding around porzingis. If you're not helping with his development you need to gtfo and Rose is the only Knick that's not helping so peace.

[Adelheid]

Unless Rose can somehow start hitting the open man at a much higher rate, there is no way he's coming back here.

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

Rose needs to be with a player like Lebron that can take the ball out of his hands. I don't hate the guy or anything, and support him as a Knick, but I've completely sick of seeing him forcing shots through the arms of two defenders, and then throwing his arms in the air as he yells at the ref. That double team means that somebody is open!

Da coach may need to explicitly tell him to pass the rock. We can never tell if he is being held accountable for his ballhogging.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Unless Rose can somehow start hitting the open man at a much higher rate, there is no way he's coming back here.

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

Rose needs to be with a player like Lebron that can take the ball out of his hands. I don't hate the guy or anything, and support him as a Knick, but I've completely sick of seeing him forcing shots through the arms of two defenders, and then throwing his arms in the air as he yells at the ref. That double team means that somebody is open!

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[Jeff Van Gully]

I'm all in on rebuilding around porzingis. If you're not helping with his development you need to gtfo and Rose is the only Knick that's not helping so peace.

i agree. not seeing how rose's presence is helping KP. if rose's play were leading to wins, i'd beg to differ. but we are bad defensively (especially on the perimeter) and we lack cohesion and ball movement. these are things you look to the point guard for first.

[Jeff Van Gully]

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

Rose needs to be with a player like Lebron that can take the ball out of his hands. I don't hate the guy or anything, and support him as a Knick, but I've completely sick of seeing him forcing shots through the arms of two defenders, and then throwing his arms in the air as he yells at the ref. That double team means that somebody is open!

Da coach may need to explicitly tell him to pass the rock. We can never tell if he is being held accountable for his ballhogging.

i can't imagine horny not telling him to pass. but you hit the nail on the head. accountability. say what you want to a young millionaire former MVP. until you find a way to hold him accountable (like ass-to-bench on a contract year), you are basically giving him control of the team.

and the irony is, i don't think rose seems to have a problem with sitting or doing what's best. i think he just goes out there and does what he does and we watch it happen. i don't see malice in rose's forrays to the basket. he knows that's a big part of why he's here. the rest of it... i guess we're hoping rose will become someone he's never been. that's our fault.

[Neophyte]

He's just not what we need. He's a high usage shooting guard, because his passing is not nearly good enough for the pg position. I can't count how many times he tried to force an off-target lazy pass into Melo/KP at the elbow and the other team took it the other way for an easy 2. Those kinds of possessions are back-breakers.

I remember an interview with Steve Kerr who talked about how one of the main things he focused on when he joined the Warriors was simple passing technique. I can't imagine how a day of middle school passing drills would go over with guys like Melo and DRose, but it seems like something this team needs badly.

[Adelheid]

Rose needs to be with a player like Lebron that can take the ball out of his hands. I don't hate the guy or anything, and support him as a Knick, but I've completely sick of seeing him forcing shots through the arms of two defenders, and then throwing his arms in the air as he yells at the ref. That double team means that somebody is open!

Da coach may need to explicitly tell him to pass the rock. We can never tell if he is being held accountable for his ballhogging.

i can't imagine horny not telling him to pass. but you hit the nail on the head. accountability. say what you want to a young millionaire former MVP. until you find a way to hold him accountable (like ass-to-bench on a contract year), you are basically giving him control of the team.

and the irony is, i don't think rose seems to have a problem with sitting or doing what's best. i think he just goes out there and does what he does and we watch it happen. i don't see malice in rose's forrays to the basket. he knows that's a big part of why he's here. the rest of it... i guess we're hoping rose will become someone he's never been. that's our fault.

Here is a quote from Rose himself:

“I played on teams where we couldn’t score the ball like we score the ball here,” Rose said. “When you have the privilege like we have to score the ball at ease, defensively we’ve got to make sure — coach has to make sure — he beats us in the head with defense all the time. We’ve got to be irritated by it.

“Offensively, I think we’re going to find our way to get better in areas on the floor, but defensively we have to come in like, we’ve got to be irritated by him talking about defense so much. That’s how I feel.”

Explicitly is putting it lightly; the message has to be pounded into their heads like a broken record. Obviously Jeff is not stressing it judging from Rose's words. And while the quote is pertaining to defense, it should also apply to offense.

[Greenie]

Unless Rose can somehow start hitting the open man at a much higher rate, there is no way he's coming back here.

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

People get on Melo about passing...
Rose is whole different level

[Jeff Van Gully]

Unless Rose can somehow start hitting the open man at a much higher rate, there is no way he's coming back here.

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

People get on Melo about passing...
Rose is whole different level

i don't want to make this about melo, or melo vs., but i agree that melo seems to look for the pass much more than rose does. he looks like he could actually be a good facilitator forward with this group.

dad melo time, baby. stretch the floor. post up on iso when we need it. feed the children when defenses collapse. basketball is really a simple game when you don't overthink things.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Da coach may need to explicitly tell him to pass the rock. We can never tell if he is being held accountable for his ballhogging.

i can't imagine horny not telling him to pass. but you hit the nail on the head. accountability. say what you want to a young millionaire former MVP. until you find a way to hold him accountable (like ass-to-bench on a contract year), you are basically giving him control of the team.

and the irony is, i don't think rose seems to have a problem with sitting or doing what's best. i think he just goes out there and does what he does and we watch it happen. i don't see malice in rose's forrays to the basket. he knows that's a big part of why he's here. the rest of it... i guess we're hoping rose will become someone he's never been. that's our fault.

Here is a quote from Rose himself:

“I played on teams where we couldn’t score the ball like we score the ball here,” Rose said. “When you have the privilege like we have to score the ball at ease, defensively we’ve got to make sure — coach has to make sure — he beats us in the head with defense all the time. We’ve got to be irritated by it.

“Offensively, I think we’re going to find our way to get better in areas on the floor, but defensively we have to come in like, we’ve got to be irritated by him talking about defense so much. That’s how I feel.”

Explicitly is putting it lightly; the message has to be pounded into their heads like a broken record. Obviously Jeff is not stressing it judging from Rose's words. And while the quote is pertaining to defense, it should also apply to offense.

from this quote it sounds like rose likes to play for the thibodeau type.

i was going to say he needs to be a spur, but pop seems to have expectations that players do certain things that don't need to be explained over and over.

maybe rose should petition to go back to college and play for cal again.

[Capn'O]

As the season wears on, I'm becoming more and more sure that Rose is the guy we need in the drivers' seat.

Spoiler:

[King of Canada]

yeah. i've seen enough rose. he is not what we need in that role. i don't think he's done or useless, but he only gives us one component of the lead guard we need. he can penetrate. pause.

but the passing and defense... i mean... not even close. this guy can walk into 4 assists without trying on the strength of his kickouts. but if he were a real distributor, he should be able to rack up twice as many dimes with this group.

People get on Melo about passing...
Rose is whole different level

i don't want to make this about melo, or melo vs., but i agree that melo seems to look for the pass much more than rose does. he looks like he could actually be a good facilitator forward with this group.

dad melo time, baby. stretch the floor. post up on iso when we need it. feed the children when defenses collapse. basketball is really a simple game when you don't overthink things.

And the rub is that Rose is our pg, so it not only stops ball movement, but completely kills our offense

[King of Canada]

As the season wears on, I'm becoming more and more sure that Rose is the guy we need in the drivers' seat.

Spoiler:

Is that supposed to be crashing into those mountains?