GT: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Barclays Center - Friday, 1/6/17 7:30pm.

[bws94]

I'm sorry but this post shows you're just trying to please the other posters on this forum. Your description of LeVert and Whitehead are accurate but you're way off base on Bogs, RHJ, Dinwiddee and Brook.

Huh? Lopez played worse than his stats. He made bad decisions and should have been much stronger. RHJ played well in terms of getting to the line and hustle, he's raw and developing. Bogs had some good offensive plays, forced too much, had his usual issues on D so that's why the game is just OK in my assessment. Dinwiddie didn't really run the office, in fact, LeVert did a better job running it and facilitating than Dinwiddie. Compared to the highlights, his in-game decisions and presence are disappointing IMO. You're free to your own assessment, but whatever I post is my assessment.

Brook shot 50% overall, 50% from 3 and 86% from the line. He only took 10 shots which shows they don't go to him nearly enough. This is a coaching problem. Brook didn't have a great game overall for sure - he had only 1 rebound and 5 turnovers. Still we out rebounded Cleveland. RHJ shot 1-6, had 5 fouls, 4 rebounds and 2 steals in 15 minutes. Not a terrible game but certainly not a "good game" as you stated. Bogs shot 64% overall, 56% from 3 and 4 assists. He had a great shooting game and was a +6 which was the highest for any Net. So please don't say he was ok and RHJ was good. That's just BS. They jury is still out on both Dinwiddie and IW but Spencer had good games lately so your comment "Mostly has been disappointing" is head scratching.

I know you're going to come back and try to justify your statements but I'm done with this and will not answer further. The facts are there - just look at the box score. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove - perhaps you'd like to start an argument about what is causing global warming.

Lol, are you telling me how to view the game and post? Post your assessment, I'll post mine.

[Curns13]

I'm sorry but this post shows you're just trying to please the other posters on this forum. Your description of LeVert and Whitehead are accurate but you're way off base on Bogs, RHJ, Dinwiddee and Brook.

Huh? Lopez played worse than his stats. He made bad decisions and should have been much stronger. RHJ played well in terms of getting to the line and hustle, he's raw and developing. Bogs had some good offensive plays, forced too much, had his usual issues on D so that's why the game is just OK in my assessment. Dinwiddie didn't really run the office, in fact, LeVert did a better job running it and facilitating than Dinwiddie. Compared to the highlights, his in-game decisions and presence are disappointing IMO. You're free to your own assessment, but whatever I post is my assessment.

Brook shot 50% overall, 50% from 3 and 86% from the line. He only took 10 shots which shows they don't go to him nearly enough. This is a coaching problem. Brook didn't have a great game overall for sure - he had only 1 rebound and 5 turnovers. Still we out rebounded Cleveland. RHJ shot 1-6, had 5 fouls, 4 rebounds and 2 steals in 15 minutes. Not a terrible game but certainly not a "good game" as you stated. Bogs shot 64% overall, 56% from 3 and 4 assists. He had a great shooting game and was a +6 which was the highest for any Net. So please don't say he was ok and RHJ was good. That's just BS. They jury is still out on both Dinwiddie and IW but Spencer had good games lately so your comment "Mostly has been disappointing" is head scratching.

I know you're going to come back and try to justify your statements but I'm done with this and will not answer further. The facts are there - just look at the box score. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove - perhaps you'd like to start an argument about what is causing global warming.

For a guy who has bitched and moaned about people not welcoming his point of view, you've sure done a great job of not letting BWS express his opinion. That's some all star standard hypocrisy right there.

[Pistolpete1947]

Huh? Lopez played worse than his stats. He made bad decisions and should have been much stronger. RHJ played well in terms of getting to the line and hustle, he's raw and developing. Bogs had some good offensive plays, forced too much, had his usual issues on D so that's why the game is just OK in my assessment. Dinwiddie didn't really run the office, in fact, LeVert did a better job running it and facilitating than Dinwiddie. Compared to the highlights, his in-game decisions and presence are disappointing IMO. You're free to your own assessment, but whatever I post is my assessment.

Brook shot 50% overall, 50% from 3 and 86% from the line. He only took 10 shots which shows they don't go to him nearly enough. This is a coaching problem. Brook didn't have a great game overall for sure - he had only 1 rebound and 5 turnovers. Still we out rebounded Cleveland. RHJ shot 1-6, had 5 fouls, 4 rebounds and 2 steals in 15 minutes. Not a terrible game but certainly not a "good game" as you stated. Bogs shot 64% overall, 56% from 3 and 4 assists. He had a great shooting game and was a +6 which was the highest for any Net. So please don't say he was ok and RHJ was good. That's just BS. They jury is still out on both Dinwiddie and IW but Spencer had good games lately so your comment "Mostly has been disappointing" is head scratching.

I know you're going to come back and try to justify your statements but I'm done with this and will not answer further. The facts are there - just look at the box score. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove - perhaps you'd like to start an argument about what is causing global warming.

For a guy who has bitched and moaned about people not welcoming his point of view, you've sure done a great job of not letting BWS express his opinion. That's some all star standard hypocrisy right there.

It may look like that but it pisses me off when someone continuously twists the facts. Just look at his comments vs the facts of the game. If someone has a good game admit it for crying out loud - don't say RHJ had a good game when he clearly didn't and Bogs had an ok game when he clearly had a very good game. Call a spade a spade. How can I take his posts serious when they don't jive with the facts? Bws94 is obviously intelligent and knows basketball so why would he post something so contrary to the facts?

[Pistolpete1947]

Brook shot 50% overall, 50% from 3 and 86% from the line. He only took 10 shots which shows they don't go to him nearly enough. This is a coaching problem. Brook didn't have a great game overall for sure - he had only 1 rebound and 5 turnovers. Still we out rebounded Cleveland. RHJ shot 1-6, had 5 fouls, 4 rebounds and 2 steals in 15 minutes. Not a terrible game but certainly not a "good game" as you stated. Bogs shot 64% overall, 56% from 3 and 4 assists. He had a great shooting game and was a +6 which was the highest for any Net. So please don't say he was ok and RHJ was good. That's just BS. They jury is still out on both Dinwiddie and IW but Spencer had good games lately so your comment "Mostly has been disappointing" is head scratching.

I know you're going to come back and try to justify your statements but I'm done with this and will not answer further. The facts are there - just look at the box score. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove - perhaps you'd like to start an argument about what is causing global warming.

For a guy who has bitched and moaned about people not welcoming his point of view, you've sure done a great job of not letting BWS express his opinion. That's some all star standard hypocrisy right there.

It may look like that but it pisses me off when someone continuously twists the facts. Just look at his comments vs the facts of the game. If someone has a good game admit it for crying out loud - don't say RHJ had a good game when he clearly didn't and Bogs had an ok game when he clearly had a very good game. Call a spade a spade. How can I take his posts serious when they don't jive with the facts? Bws94 is obviously intelligent and knows basketball so why would he post something so contrary to the facts?

But you're right. I came on too strong.

[NyCeEvO]

I'm sorry but this post shows you're just trying to please the other posters on this forum. Your description of LeVert and Whitehead are accurate but you're way off base on Bogs, RHJ, Dinwiddee and Brook.

Huh? Lopez played worse than his stats. He made bad decisions and should have been much stronger. RHJ played well in terms of getting to the line and hustle, he's raw and developing. Bogs had some good offensive plays, forced too much, had his usual issues on D so that's why the game is just OK in my assessment. Dinwiddie didn't really run the office, in fact, LeVert did a better job running it and facilitating than Dinwiddie. Compared to the highlights, his in-game decisions and presence are disappointing IMO. You're free to your own assessment, but whatever I post is my assessment.

Brook shot 50% overall, 50% from 3 and 86% from the line. He only took 10 shots which shows they don't go to him nearly enough. This is a coaching problem. Brook didn't have a great game overall for sure - he had only 1 rebound and 5 turnovers. Still we out rebounded Cleveland. RHJ shot 1-6, had 5 fouls, 4 rebounds and 2 steals in 15 minutes. Not a terrible game but certainly not a "good game" as you stated. Bogs shot 64% overall, 56% from 3 and 4 assists. He had a great shooting game and was a +6 which was the highest for any Net. So please don't say he was ok and RHJ was good. That's just BS. They jury is still out on both Dinwiddie and IW but Spencer had good games lately so your comment "Mostly has been disappointing" is head scratching.

I know you're going to come back and try to justify your statements but I'm done with this and will not answer further. The facts are there - just look at the box score. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove - perhaps you'd like to start an argument about what is causing global warming.

Pistol,

This is WAY over the top.

1) It's bws94's assessment of a game. It's not that serious. Just about everyone in the GT mentioned how Brook played a bad game.

You can't just look at his FGA from the box score and assume that he didn't get the ball a lot. He got the ball plenty of times. The Nets went out of the way to get him the ball early but Brook mostly either turned the ball over or forced up uncharacteristically bad shots. He started to look a bit better towards the end of the game but he was bad for most of it

I think most of us were enamored with Levert's play so I didn't really concentrate on RHJ too much. I do remember him attacking the basket a few times and getting fouled or And-1s. I didn't focus on him so I don't remember much else.

Bogs started hot and remained that way for a while. He had a good offensive night.

But this is just my opinion. Someone can argue that Brook was great and the others were bad, but the purpose of a forum is to discuss our differing opinions and if desired, help each other understand the nuances of the game better.

Questioning someone's intentions on the basis of game recap and likening to a debate over global warming is extreme.


2) We're not playing "sides" here. The longer people talk about appeasing other posters/sides, the longer this place is going to be divided.

[Pistolpete1947]

Huh? Lopez played worse than his stats. He made bad decisions and should have been much stronger. RHJ played well in terms of getting to the line and hustle, he's raw and developing. Bogs had some good offensive plays, forced too much, had his usual issues on D so that's why the game is just OK in my assessment. Dinwiddie didn't really run the office, in fact, LeVert did a better job running it and facilitating than Dinwiddie. Compared to the highlights, his in-game decisions and presence are disappointing IMO. You're free to your own assessment, but whatever I post is my assessment.

Brook shot 50% overall, 50% from 3 and 86% from the line. He only took 10 shots which shows they don't go to him nearly enough. This is a coaching problem. Brook didn't have a great game overall for sure - he had only 1 rebound and 5 turnovers. Still we out rebounded Cleveland. RHJ shot 1-6, had 5 fouls, 4 rebounds and 2 steals in 15 minutes. Not a terrible game but certainly not a "good game" as you stated. Bogs shot 64% overall, 56% from 3 and 4 assists. He had a great shooting game and was a +6 which was the highest for any Net. So please don't say he was ok and RHJ was good. That's just BS. They jury is still out on both Dinwiddie and IW but Spencer had good games lately so your comment "Mostly has been disappointing" is head scratching.

I know you're going to come back and try to justify your statements but I'm done with this and will not answer further. The facts are there - just look at the box score. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove - perhaps you'd like to start an argument about what is causing global warming.

Pistol,

This is WAY over the top.

1) It's bws94's assessment of a game. It's not that serious. Just about everyone in the GT mentioned how Brook played a bad game.

You can't just look at his FGA from the box score and assume that he didn't get the ball a lot. He got the ball plenty of times. The Nets went out of the way to get him the ball early but Brook mostly either turned the ball over or forced up uncharacteristically bad shots. He started to look a bit better towards the end of the game but he was bad for most of it

I think most of us were enamored with Levert's play so I didn't really concentrate on RHJ too much. I do remember him attacking the basket a few times and getting fouled or And-1s. I didn't focus on him so I don't remember much else.

Bogs started hot and remained that way for a while. He had a good offensive night.

But this is just my opinion. Someone can argue that Brook was great and the others were bad, but the purpose of a forum is to discuss our differing opinions and if desired, help each other understand the nuances of the game better.

Questioning someone's intentions on the basis of game recap and likening to a debate over global warming is extreme.


2) We're not playing "sides" here. The longer people talk about appeasing other posters/sides, the longer this place is going to be divided.

I had a few Friday night drinks and came on too strong. You're right it's not that serious. My apologies to bws94 and the forum.

[Yit]

Tracking Players performance vs cavaliers

By GCP
Bogdanovic - 44
CLV - 39
Booker - 30
Whitehead - 21
Lopez - 20
Hamilton - 19
Dinwiddie - 14
RHJ - 11
Harris - 8
Kilpatrick - 2

Best offensive and defensive effort = Hamilton (10,10)

Opponents GCP
L.Jam - 85
K.Irv - 50
T.Tho - 39
K.Lov - 33
D.Lig - 15
C.Fry - 14
I.Shu - 13
JMR - 4
K.Fel - 2
R.Jef - (-1)

Best 5 players average NEts (31) vs Cavaliers (44) so loss is within expectations.

[MrDollarBills]

Awesome game from LeVert. Would anyone trade him for Jaylen Brown?

Whitehead has to get the least respect out of anyone in the NBA from refs. He always gets shafted with bad calls/no calls.

Nope.

[MrDollarBills]

Watch on YouTube

He wrecked Kevin Love on two of those plays.

This guy is going to be a stud. The way he played is the guy I saw in the highlight tapes, with flashes of a McGrady like game but with less hops.

one thing that he really needs to do though is get stronger because this is the 2nd game I've seen him take a hard hit to the floor, its the same thing I saw in his college tapes and that worries me about him healthwise. his style of play is going to be drawing a lot of contact, he'll need to be able to take hits and not end up slamming onto the floor repeatedly


I try to keep the optimism tempered, but he's really one of the most skilled players we've drafted in a long time. Finally we have some hope

[Roy Tarpley]

I don't know the first thing about coming back from a foot injury or how quickly one can put on weight but I'd like to see Levert getting at least 25 minutes per game going forward. Also, put on 5 lbs of muscle per year til he gets to 220 lbs.

Lin/Levert/RHJ/Booker/Lopez -- would love to see this lineup run with defense and fast breaks.

[CalamityX12]

If Lopez plays a bad game,
Does that count as a rest?

[bws94]

For a guy who has bitched and moaned about people not welcoming his point of view, you've sure done a great job of not letting BWS express his opinion. That's some all star standard hypocrisy right there.

It may look like that but it pisses me off when someone continuously twists the facts. Just look at his comments vs the facts of the game. If someone has a good game admit it for crying out loud - don't say RHJ had a good game when he clearly didn't and Bogs had an ok game when he clearly had a very good game. Call a spade a spade. How can I take his posts serious when they don't jive with the facts? Bws94 is obviously intelligent and knows basketball so why would he post something so contrary to the facts?

But you're right. I came on too strong.

It's ok, Pete. Your points are valid on the game Bogs played, I was looking at some of the things that he did beyond his scoring. But he certainly did a good job scoring the ball, for the most part. For RHJ, I'm looking at hustle and effort, that's what I liked. And I overall just like Whitehead and think he has a big upside.

[Paradise]

Sigh.

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[FlipFlopShot]

Sigh.

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On the bright side, Mark can spot talent.

[TinmanZBoy]

Sigh.

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On the bright side, Mark can spot talent.

Tyler is an open secret in the league... there were multiple teams giving him offer equal or more than Nets offered... He is a safer bet than Allen Crabbe

[NyCeEvO]

Sigh.

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On the bright side, Mark can spot talent.

Tyler is an open secret in the league... there were multiple teams giving him offer equal or more than Nets offered... He is a safer bet than Allen Crabbe

Really? Why was he (and everyone else) shocked at the $51mil offer sheet we signed him to? Are there confirmed reports that others were going to match, let alone give him more?

[TinmanZBoy]

On the bright side, Mark can spot talent.

Tyler is an open secret in the league... there were multiple teams giving him offer equal or more than Nets offered... He is a safer bet than Allen Crabbe

Really? Why was he (and everyone else) shocked at the $51mil offer sheet we signed him to? Are there confirmed reports that others were going to match, let alone give him more?

read the article again

The timing of Johnson's expiring contract was essential to his windfall, admittedly. But in a market, timing is always everything. "Just look at the available shooting guards this summer," says Austin Brown, one of Johnson's agents. The top options under age 34 -- DeMar DeRozan, Bradley Beal, Jordan Clarkson, Nicolas Batum and Evan Fournier -- all immediately re-upped with their original teams on July 1. From there, it was no accident that Brook Lopez, the Nets' star center, flew out with team officials to woo Johnson. Or that Rockets coach Mike D'Antoni wined and dined him. Heck, Vlade Divac and Peja Stojakovic, two Kings stars-turned-executives, both showed up and topped Brooklyn's offer. Even then, famously cutthroat Heat president Pat Riley matched every single penny.

[ChokeFasncists]

Should we have offered more?