Official Speculation Thread 2016 Volume VII - Defense Wins Championships

[Blue_and_Whte]

Btw,

Watching Jeff Green play basketball makes me want to light my dick on fire.

#Dead
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[OrlandO]

Calling it now... we are going to trade ibaka for millsap.

Ok..but why in the hell would they do that?

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Desperation move. Was only half serious. But to be honest, part of me actually wants to see it to see what our other players look like with an all star next to them for the first time... even if it's a lower tier all star like millsap.

[magicfan217]

This team is in desperate need of a shakeup.

[VFX]

And the infamous road trip starts. Some guys are gonna be playing their last days of magic ball soon. Get ready

Can't wait. It'll be the most exciting thing to happen this season.

[fendilim]

Btw,

Watching Jeff Green play basketball makes me want to light my dick on fire.

I hope not by friction.

[thelead]

And the infamous road trip starts. Some guys are gonna be playing their last days of magic ball soon. Get ready

Can't wait. It'll be the most exciting thing to happen this season.

Be careful what you wish for... with RDV, Martins and Hennigan involved, we may trade AG for Rudy Gay.

[VFX]

And the infamous road trip starts. Some guys are gonna be playing their last days of magic ball soon. Get ready

Can't wait. It'll be the most exciting thing to happen this season.

Be careful what you wish for... with RDV, Martins and Hennigan involved, we may trade AG for Rudy Gay.

Sadly true.

[pepe1991]

Two weeks ago i was most hated person on this forum ,calling me hater, who only loves player not team. Lot of you swiched to "dark side" didn't you?

Jokes aside, this is Magic reality. It was Magic reality from day one. They won couple of games because they got crazy lucky with injuries of opponents best players along with easy scheduling.
Now true colors of a team showed. Team that has guards who most of the time can't defend or stay in front of heir man. Most of them are career losers and backups :
Payton: zero playoff games
Meeks: played playoffs 4 years, total of 20 games, started 6. So another career loser.
DJ Augustin, 3 years in playoffs, 28 total games played, started 1 game. Only deep run as backup for Indiana.
Evan Fournier: 1 year in playoffs, bench warmer with Nuggets in rookie year
CJ Watson, Hezonja, Wilcox - out of rotation, doesn't even matter

Wings and bigs:
Gordon: too young ,still out of position.
Biyombo , product of ESPN hype machine because they needed somebody to sell viewers to watch uneven conference finals that nobody wanted to watch due Cavs owerpower over 2 player team in Toronto. In reality lottery bust, in 5 yeras changed 3 teams. Had TWO good games in playoffs , on team where he was perfect fit.

Ibaka: another product of media hype machine. As soon as Harden left he was pushed into " big 3 " because mainstream media thought OKC will face Heat again so they can sold big 3 vs big 3 as their marketing campaign. Not bad player, but not player you want to buid around. On good team he would play his OKC role. 3rd banana.
Had nice playoff runs. How valuable is that? Well when you play with not 1 , not two, but three future hall of famers that comes to you naturally.

Vučević: zero playoff games. Definition of fools gold. Actually he did play 3 min in playoffs for 76ers 5 years ago.
Jeff Green: litereally every single contender that traded for him at the end of a year regretted for it.

And that's your "playoff Magic " team. Group of misfits and career backups with no winning culture.

[j-ragg]

Two weeks ago i was most hated person on this forum ,calling me hater, who only loves player not team. Lot of you swiched to "dark side" didn't you?

Jokes aside, this is Magic reality. It was Magic reality from day one. They won couple of games because they got crazy lucky with injuries of opponents best players along with easy scheduling.
Now true colors of a team showed. Team that has guards who most of the time can't defend or stay in front of heir man. Most of them are career losers and backups :
Payton: zero playoff games
Meeks: played playoffs 4 years, total of 20 games, started 6. So another career loser.
DJ Augustin, 3 years in playoffs, 28 total games played, started 1 game. Only deep run as backup for Indiana.
Evan Fournier: 1 year in playoffs, bench warmer with Nuggets in rookie year
CJ Watson, Hezonja, Wilcox - out of rotation, doesn't even matter

Wings and bigs:
Gordon: too young ,still out of position.
Biyombo , product of ESPN hype machine because they needed somebody to sell viewers to watch uneven conference finals that nobody wanted to watch due Cavs owerpower over 2 player team in Toronto. In reality lottery bust, in 5 yeras changed 3 teams. Had TWO good games in playoffs , on team where he was perfect fit.

Ibaka: another product of media hype machine. As soon as Harden left he was pushed into " big 3 " because mainstream media thought OKC will face Heat again so they can sold big 3 vs big 3 as their marketing campaign. Not bad player, but not player you want to buid around. On good team he would play his OKC role. 3rd banana.
Had nice playoff runs. How valuable is that? Well when you play with not 1 , not two, but three future hall of famers that comes to you naturally.

Vučević: zero playoff games. Definition of fools gold. Actually he did play 3 min in playoffs for 76ers 5 years ago.
Jeff Green: litereally every single contender that traded for him at the end of a year regretted for it.

And that's your "playoff Magic " team. Group of misfits and career backups with no winning culture.

Why are you a fan of the team if you hate the team so much? Feels like you just hate on everyone who isn't Mario. Sometimes they deserve it but I don't think I've seen you cheer them on in game threads. Just kinda chime in when a player isn't doing well.

Don't see how Biz and Ibaka are products of "the ESPN hype machine" either, no one really ever talked about them much. Hell its more known as the Oladipo trade than the Ibaka trade even though he's the best player in the deal, easily.

[pepe1991]

Two weeks ago i was most hated person on this forum ,calling me hater, who only loves player not team. Lot of you swiched to "dark side" didn't you?

Jokes aside, this is Magic reality. It was Magic reality from day one. They won couple of games because they got crazy lucky with injuries of opponents best players along with easy scheduling.
Now true colors of a team showed. Team that has guards who most of the time can't defend or stay in front of heir man. Most of them are career losers and backups :
Payton: zero playoff games
Meeks: played playoffs 4 years, total of 20 games, started 6. So another career loser.
DJ Augustin, 3 years in playoffs, 28 total games played, started 1 game. Only deep run as backup for Indiana.
Evan Fournier: 1 year in playoffs, bench warmer with Nuggets in rookie year
CJ Watson, Hezonja, Wilcox - out of rotation, doesn't even matter

Wings and bigs:
Gordon: too young ,still out of position.
Biyombo , product of ESPN hype machine because they needed somebody to sell viewers to watch uneven conference finals that nobody wanted to watch due Cavs owerpower over 2 player team in Toronto. In reality lottery bust, in 5 yeras changed 3 teams. Had TWO good games in playoffs , on team where he was perfect fit.

Ibaka: another product of media hype machine. As soon as Harden left he was pushed into " big 3 " because mainstream media thought OKC will face Heat again so they can sold big 3 vs big 3 as their marketing campaign. Not bad player, but not player you want to buid around. On good team he would play his OKC role. 3rd banana.
Had nice playoff runs. How valuable is that? Well when you play with not 1 , not two, but three future hall of famers that comes to you naturally.

Vučević: zero playoff games. Definition of fools gold. Actually he did play 3 min in playoffs for 76ers 5 years ago.
Jeff Green: litereally every single contender that traded for him at the end of a year regretted for it.

And that's your "playoff Magic " team. Group of misfits and career backups with no winning culture.

Why are you a fan of the team if you hate the team so much? Feels like you just hate on everyone who isn't Mario. Sometimes they deserve it but I don't think I've seen you cheer them on in game threads. Just kinda chime in when a player isn't doing well.

Don't see how Biz and Ibaka are products of "the ESPN hype machine" either, no one really ever talked about them much. Hell its more known as the Oladipo trade than the Ibaka trade even though he's the best player in the deal, easily.

I don't hate team , i'm actually a fan, but fact is that they are bad because they collect bad, one dimensional players who are not even that good at things that they are supposed to be good at.

Ibaka was even on cover of ESPNs Body Issue in 2014.
Articles from Bleacher report ( later bought by ESPN i think ?! ) :
"Why Serge Ibaka Is the Player to Turn Oklahoma "
"Why Serge Ibaka Will Make His First All-Star Appearance This Season"
"Serge Ibaka Proving to Be Complementary Piece to Oklahoma City Thunder Future"
Some other mainstream hype machines: NBA.com ,Sekou Smith said that Ibaka should have won DPOY in 2014 ( article from 2014 )

Grantland "Serge Ibaka Is the Most Important Player in the NBA "

Ibaka even run his mouth at times, caling Lebron James bad defender.
As you can see, he got lot of media attention playing on superteam.

Biyombo had A LOT of articles about him around last years' playoffs ( when two good games happend). His block on Love had 300 000 likes on instagram ( via bleacher R).
However there were few guys who didn't bite into hype ,like http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/toronto-raptors/dont-break-the-bank-for-bismack-biyombo/ this guy on todays fast break.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion . If i said that DJ Augustin is bad defender because his haircut is bad than i'm hater, but if i say he is bad defender because he is slow to rotate and allows penetration and gives up on position too easy, and i have DBPM to prove it, than i'm not hater, i'm making strong opinion about it with stats to support it.

So when i say that Magic playeres are career backups and losers and show that Ibaka is only one who played big role in lot of games in playoffs than i'm not hater. I'm just saying what it is.

[j-ragg]

Two weeks ago i was most hated person on this forum ,calling me hater, who only loves player not team. Lot of you swiched to "dark side" didn't you?

Jokes aside, this is Magic reality. It was Magic reality from day one. They won couple of games because they got crazy lucky with injuries of opponents best players along with easy scheduling.
Now true colors of a team showed. Team that has guards who most of the time can't defend or stay in front of heir man. Most of them are career losers and backups :
Payton: zero playoff games
Meeks: played playoffs 4 years, total of 20 games, started 6. So another career loser.
DJ Augustin, 3 years in playoffs, 28 total games played, started 1 game. Only deep run as backup for Indiana.
Evan Fournier: 1 year in playoffs, bench warmer with Nuggets in rookie year
CJ Watson, Hezonja, Wilcox - out of rotation, doesn't even matter

Wings and bigs:
Gordon: too young ,still out of position.
Biyombo , product of ESPN hype machine because they needed somebody to sell viewers to watch uneven conference finals that nobody wanted to watch due Cavs owerpower over 2 player team in Toronto. In reality lottery bust, in 5 yeras changed 3 teams. Had TWO good games in playoffs , on team where he was perfect fit.

Ibaka: another product of media hype machine. As soon as Harden left he was pushed into " big 3 " because mainstream media thought OKC will face Heat again so they can sold big 3 vs big 3 as their marketing campaign. Not bad player, but not player you want to buid around. On good team he would play his OKC role. 3rd banana.
Had nice playoff runs. How valuable is that? Well when you play with not 1 , not two, but three future hall of famers that comes to you naturally.

Vučević: zero playoff games. Definition of fools gold. Actually he did play 3 min in playoffs for 76ers 5 years ago.
Jeff Green: litereally every single contender that traded for him at the end of a year regretted for it.

And that's your "playoff Magic " team. Group of misfits and career backups with no winning culture.

Why are you a fan of the team if you hate the team so much? Feels like you just hate on everyone who isn't Mario. Sometimes they deserve it but I don't think I've seen you cheer them on in game threads. Just kinda chime in when a player isn't doing well.

Don't see how Biz and Ibaka are products of "the ESPN hype machine" either, no one really ever talked about them much. Hell its more known as the Oladipo trade than the Ibaka trade even though he's the best player in the deal, easily.

Biyombo had A LOT of articles about him around last years' playoffs ( when two good games happend). His block on Love had 300 000 likes on instagram ( via bleacher R).
However there were few guys who didn't bite into hype ,like http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/toronto-raptors/dont-break-the-bank-for-bismack-biyombo/ this guy on todays fast break.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion . If i said that DJ Augustin is bad defender because his haircut is bad than i'm hater, but if i say he is bad defender because he is slow to rotate and allows penetration and gives up on position too easy, and i have DBPM to prove it, than i'm not hater, i'm making strong opinion about it with stats to support it.

So when i say that Magic playeres are career backups and losers and show that Ibaka is only one who played big role in lot of games in playoffs than i'm not hater. I'm just saying what it is.

Once again. Biyombo off the bench last year had all-star advanced rebounding and elite shot blocking advanced stats off of the bench. That isn't for any particular game out of the 82 that he played, that's for the season. Stop pretending like he is Jerome James, he isn't.

Also I can appreciate you breaking down the English language for me but I know what it means, you've actually butchered almost half of what you wrote. I'm sure English isn't your first language, but I wouldn't go to another country and try to tell people how to speak when I can't spell or really put together proper punctuation consistently.

You're a hardcore Magic fan who thinks it's a team full of losers that have no value. Thanks for clarifying.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion .

Edit - interesting to hear you saying that isn't subjective.

Spoiler:

[VFX]

Why are you a fan of the team if you hate the team so much? Feels like you just hate on everyone who isn't Mario. Sometimes they deserve it but I don't think I've seen you cheer them on in game threads. Just kinda chime in when a player isn't doing well.

Don't see how Biz and Ibaka are products of "the ESPN hype machine" either, no one really ever talked about them much. Hell its more known as the Oladipo trade than the Ibaka trade even though he's the best player in the deal, easily.

Biyombo had A LOT of articles about him around last years' playoffs ( when two good games happend). His block on Love had 300 000 likes on instagram ( via bleacher R).
However there were few guys who didn't bite into hype ,like http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/toronto-raptors/dont-break-the-bank-for-bismack-biyombo/ this guy on todays fast break.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion . If i said that DJ Augustin is bad defender because his haircut is bad than i'm hater, but if i say he is bad defender because he is slow to rotate and allows penetration and gives up on position too easy, and i have DBPM to prove it, than i'm not hater, i'm making strong opinion about it with stats to support it.

So when i say that Magic playeres are career backups and losers and show that Ibaka is only one who played big role in lot of games in playoffs than i'm not hater. I'm just saying what it is.

Once again. Biyombo off the bench last year had all-star advanced rebounding and elite shot blocking advanced stats off of the bench. That isn't for any particular game out of the 82 that he played, that's for the season. Stop pretending like he is Jerome James, he isn't.

Also I can appreciate you breaking down the English language for me but I know what it means, you've actually butchered almost half of what you wrote. I'm sure English isn't your first language, but I wouldn't go to another country and try to tell people how to speak when I can't spell or really put together proper punctuation consistently.

You're a hardcore Magic fan who thinks it's a team full of losers that have no value. Thanks for clarifying.

I can see this from both sides. Biz isn't 'terrible' and he is most likely playing through injury right now. He is a solid role player that does what a majority of NBA centers do - rebound and play solid post D.

That aside, he probably isn't in the best situation right now on this roster. Actually, most of the players on this roster aren't in a good situation because it's completely flawed. You can definitely hate this team, management, and ownership choices all while still loving the franchise and hoping for its success.

I'd still be a fan of the magic if Vogel and Hennigan cloned Jeff Green 4 times to play every position on the floor.

[Mc-o]

Why are you a fan of the team if you hate the team so much? Feels like you just hate on everyone who isn't Mario. Sometimes they deserve it but I don't think I've seen you cheer them on in game threads. Just kinda chime in when a player isn't doing well.

Don't see how Biz and Ibaka are products of "the ESPN hype machine" either, no one really ever talked about them much. Hell its more known as the Oladipo trade than the Ibaka trade even though he's the best player in the deal, easily.

Biyombo had A LOT of articles about him around last years' playoffs ( when two good games happend). His block on Love had 300 000 likes on instagram ( via bleacher R).
However there were few guys who didn't bite into hype ,like http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/toronto-raptors/dont-break-the-bank-for-bismack-biyombo/ this guy on todays fast break.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion . If i said that DJ Augustin is bad defender because his haircut is bad than i'm hater, but if i say he is bad defender because he is slow to rotate and allows penetration and gives up on position too easy, and i have DBPM to prove it, than i'm not hater, i'm making strong opinion about it with stats to support it.

So when i say that Magic playeres are career backups and losers and show that Ibaka is only one who played big role in lot of games in playoffs than i'm not hater. I'm just saying what it is.

Once again. Biyombo off the bench last year had all-star advanced rebounding and elite shot blocking advanced stats off of the bench. That isn't for any particular game out of the 82 that he played, that's for the season. Stop pretending like he is Jerome James, he isn't.

Also I can appreciate you breaking down the English language for me but I know what it means, you've actually butchered almost half of what you wrote. I'm sure English isn't your first language, but I wouldn't go to another country and try to tell people how to speak when I can't spell or really put together proper punctuation consistently.

You're a hardcore Magic fan who thinks it's a team full of losers that have no value. Thanks for clarifying.

You can be mad at him but he isnt saying anything that isnt true

[j-ragg]

Biyombo had A LOT of articles about him around last years' playoffs ( when two good games happend). His block on Love had 300 000 likes on instagram ( via bleacher R).
However there were few guys who didn't bite into hype ,like http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/toronto-raptors/dont-break-the-bank-for-bismack-biyombo/ this guy on todays fast break.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion . If i said that DJ Augustin is bad defender because his haircut is bad than i'm hater, but if i say he is bad defender because he is slow to rotate and allows penetration and gives up on position too easy, and i have DBPM to prove it, than i'm not hater, i'm making strong opinion about it with stats to support it.

So when i say that Magic playeres are career backups and losers and show that Ibaka is only one who played big role in lot of games in playoffs than i'm not hater. I'm just saying what it is.

Once again. Biyombo off the bench last year had all-star advanced rebounding and elite shot blocking advanced stats off of the bench. That isn't for any particular game out of the 82 that he played, that's for the season. Stop pretending like he is Jerome James, he isn't.

Also I can appreciate you breaking down the English language for me but I know what it means, you've actually butchered almost half of what you wrote. I'm sure English isn't your first language, but I wouldn't go to another country and try to tell people how to speak when I can't spell or really put together proper punctuation consistently.

You're a hardcore Magic fan who thinks it's a team full of losers that have no value. Thanks for clarifying.

I can see this from both sides. Biz isn't 'terrible' and he is most likely playing through injury right now. He is a solid role player that does what a majority of NBA centers do - rebound and play solid post D.

That aside, he probably isn't in the best situation right now on this roster. Actually, most of the players on this roster aren't in a good situation because it's completely flawed. You can definitely hate this team, management, and ownership choices all while still loving the franchise and hoping for its success.

Agreed, not the best situation for him vs last year. Could be injured, might not be, hopefully he is so we know the better Biz is coming. Hating the team (currently) is one thing, posting about it day in and day out whether winning or losing is just... trolling IMO.

I make fun of Jeff Green more than anyone (well, besides Dennis), obviously I know it isn't all unicorns and daisies with the team. We have some talent and we have some duds. It's just redundant though posting the same exact negative thoughts over and over. GortatExpress does the same thing but at least puts a little humor in there and can come up with a rebuttal other than trying to teach English class.

[j-ragg]

You can be mad at him but he isnt saying anything that isnt true

Not mad at him, can all have our opinions. I like anyone who supports the squad. I see you posting plenty in the game threads when we win, complimenting the players/Vogel. Obviously the opposite happens and you critique the people deserving of it too. But the same **** over and over that doesn't even make sense sometimes.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Has anyone else seen that video thats being shared all over Facebook right now? Its of a little boy after the game last night waiting in the tunnel for Magic players and he has his hand stuck out waiting for someone to acknowledge him and not a single player showed him any attention. Ibaka kinda gave him a half ass high five but thats about it. The videos blowing up and the comments are crazy.... people are calling the Orlando Magic organization classless. You know how social media is.

I still feel bad for the little guy though because he seemed devastated but at the same time understand how athletes are in the NBA. Football players are a little more down to earth..

[Furinkazan]

Has anyone else seen that video thats being shared all over Facebook right now? Its of a little boy after the game last night waiting in the tunnel for Magic players and he has his hand stuck out waiting for someone to acknowledge him and not a single player showed him any attention. Ibaka kinda gave him a half ass high five but thats about it. The videos blowing up and the comments are crazy.... people are calling the Orlando Magic organization classless. You know how social media is.

I still feel bad for the little guy though because he seemed devastated but at the same time understand how athletes are in the NBA. Football players are a little more down to earth..

cant find it can you link me to it... ?

[Jameerthefear]

Has anyone else seen that video thats being shared all over Facebook right now? Its of a little boy after the game last night waiting in the tunnel for Magic players and he has his hand stuck out waiting for someone to acknowledge him and not a single player showed him any attention. Ibaka kinda gave him a half ass high five but thats about it. The videos blowing up and the comments are crazy.... people are calling the Orlando Magic organization classless. You know how social media is.

I still feel bad for the little guy though because he seemed devastated but at the same time understand how athletes are in the NBA. Football players are a little more down to earth..

Not a big deal. Players are pissed after a loss and should be.

[pepe1991]

Why are you a fan of the team if you hate the team so much? Feels like you just hate on everyone who isn't Mario. Sometimes they deserve it but I don't think I've seen you cheer them on in game threads. Just kinda chime in when a player isn't doing well.

Don't see how Biz and Ibaka are products of "the ESPN hype machine" either, no one really ever talked about them much. Hell its more known as the Oladipo trade than the Ibaka trade even though he's the best player in the deal, easily.

Biyombo had A LOT of articles about him around last years' playoffs ( when two good games happend). His block on Love had 300 000 likes on instagram ( via bleacher R).
However there were few guys who didn't bite into hype ,like http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/toronto-raptors/dont-break-the-bank-for-bismack-biyombo/ this guy on todays fast break.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion . If i said that DJ Augustin is bad defender because his haircut is bad than i'm hater, but if i say he is bad defender because he is slow to rotate and allows penetration and gives up on position too easy, and i have DBPM to prove it, than i'm not hater, i'm making strong opinion about it with stats to support it.

So when i say that Magic playeres are career backups and losers and show that Ibaka is only one who played big role in lot of games in playoffs than i'm not hater. I'm just saying what it is.

Once again. Biyombo off the bench last year had all-star advanced rebounding and elite shot blocking advanced stats off of the bench. That isn't for any particular game out of the 82 that he played, that's for the season. Stop pretending like he is Jerome James, he isn't.

Also I can appreciate you breaking down the English language for me but I know what it means, you've actually butchered almost half of what you wrote. I'm sure English isn't your first language, but I wouldn't go to another country and try to tell people how to speak when I can't spell or really put together proper punctuation consistently.

You're a hardcore Magic fan who thinks it's a team full of losers that have no value. Thanks for clarifying.

I mean dude got 4 years $17M per year deal to have zero skills and bring nothing but energy
That's not me hating, that's me saying what it is. Hating is something based on subjective opinion .

Edit - interesting to hear you saying that isn't subjective.

Spoiler:

Because players in contract year tend to "care " more about it and stat pad like crazy? Last year he was 7th in rebounding rate, why he wasn't that good year before ( 20) or this year ( 29) ?
Even last year his PER was among 15 worst Cs , his turnover ratio was high ( top 11 ) among 60 Cs?

What are his basketball skills?
Being listed bottom 11 in literally every single category on Hollinger's players stat but rebound rate ( listed right in middle )
Shot blocking? Per 36 he blocks 2,0 shots per game. It's not even that great.
So you tell me, what are Biyombos elite skills?
HIs defended field goal percentage at rim is 49% . That's right there with Nene Hilario, Mason Plumlee and Pau Gasol. So tell me more about his elite skills on defense.

Just for a record: i don't think he is AWFUL player, he is what he is , good energy from bench, backup. However Magic payed him starters salary ( actually tied with highest payed player on a team ) so you have to judge him based on his salary.
Or call Rob clueless GM who had no clue what he was doing in FA ( and that could also be true because Biyombo didn't give that deal to himself ).

[basketballRob]

Magic making room for another player and waive Onuaku. The guy took up space but only had a 4" vertical.