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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#321 » by Valid » Sat Jan 7, 2017 3:33 pm

NormanDale wrote:I really wish I were as high on Marcus Smart as everyone else on this board seems to be. I see no evidence that he will be as good as any of the players mentioned on this thread: Ron Artest, Chauncey Billups, Draymond Green, Gary Freaking Payton?? Even Tony Allen was a better athlete and a better defender than Smart.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. I see a guy who can't shoot, is an average ballhandler and passer, and is nothing particularly special athletically (by NBA standards, of course), and has not improved substantially since his rookie season. It seems like he reads the game well, works hard, and his teammates and coaches like him. That is enough for a serviceable, productive NBA career, but I don't see him becoming an All-Star, or anything better than a bench player (or a fifth starter at best) on a good team.

I'd pull the reigns in on calling Allen a better defender than Smart. Smart has effectively defended the likes of Paul Millsap, Kristaps Porzingis and, in the last meeting with Cleveland, LeBron James.

Smart is just 22 years old and he is already doing all of this. Allen was not that type of defender at 22.

Also, Smart is better than just an average passer at this stage. He has turned into a very solid one, and a legitimate argument can be made that he is the best passer on this team. His floor vision has improved drastically, and he has done a superb job of quickly finding cutters and squeezing passes into tight spots leading to easy buckets.

To add on, Smart seems to have that "it" factor. He is always making big plays at crucial moments, and he seems to become Ray Allen from beyond the arc late in games (slight exaggeration, but you get the point).

And again, he's only 22. Plenty of room for improvement.

That being said, I'm not sure where anyone ever got the Chauncey Billups comparison from. I've seen that thrown around since his rookie year, and he literally couldn't be anything less like Billups.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#322 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Jan 7, 2017 4:49 pm

Guy shows up with his big cojones in big moments esp on defense. Dunno if his overall shooting will improve, but he can be counted upon when it matters. Smart has a woeful 47.2% true shooting (only one worse on the team is Rozier), but that goes up to 55.6% in clutch situations this season.

It could just be the small sample, but it's worth monitoring.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#323 » by Gant » Sat Jan 7, 2017 5:10 pm

He's stealth good. He reminds me of Dennis Johnson in some ways. Also at times his shooting stats suffer because he's often the one left chucking it up from cannon range when the shot clock expires.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#324 » by Valid » Sat Jan 7, 2017 5:53 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Guy shows up with his big cojones in big moments esp on defense. Dunno if his overall shooting will improve, but he can be counted upon when it matters. Smart has a woeful 47.2% true shooting (only one worse on the team is Rozier), but that goes up to 55.6% in clutch situations this season.

It could just be the small sample, but it's worth monitoring.

Leave it to CrowderKeg to always drop the dopest stats.
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Post#325 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:04 pm

Marcus Smart would be an excellent back-court fit with Markelle Fultz, IMO. His ability to run an offense has improved dramatically.
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Post#326 » by Gomes3PC » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:17 pm

He's not an efficient scorer, and I have doubts he ever will be (just zero touch at the rim), but his ability to add PG skills this year will keep him in the league a long time. Last 8 games he's at

10.6 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 4.8 APG, 1.5 TOPG, 1.5 SPG, 36% FG, 53% TS%, 29 MPG

The terrible shooting has at least been offset by getting to the line and hitting his FTs at a high rate, thus making his 36% FG% something palatable at 54% TS%.

If he can even get that FG% up to 40%, he'll be a really nice combo guard.
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Post#327 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:21 pm

The way Brad has utilized him lately has me optimistic. This is really the 1st time he's been entrusted as a playmaker. Putting him on the blocks cuts down on the ill-advised 3s. He's been playing well, and I can't think of another backup PG who I'd want coming off the bench.
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Post#328 » by Gomes3PC » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:23 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:The way Brad has utilized him lately has me optimistic. This is really the 1st time he's been entrusted as a playmaker. Putting him on the blocks cuts down on the ill-advised 3s. He's been playing well, and I can't think of another backup PG who I'd want coming off the bench.

Playing him in the P&R and telling him to probe into the paint has been huge too. He's built up a good rapport with our shooting bigs and is using that behind-the-back pass on the P&R to set them up for a lot of good 3 point looks. Just needs to find a way to stop looking like Perkins and firing lasers at the rim when gets a lane to the hoop.
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Post#329 » by Wes-J » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:46 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:He's not an efficient scorer, and I have doubts he ever will be (just zero touch at the rim), but his ability to add PG skills this year will keep him in the league a long time.


Dude works his ass off right? He added PG skills, don't mean he can't add or improve others. He's still very young, and think he's gonna evolve into very good player. At 26-27, Smart is gonna be a straight up nightmare for opponents because of his physicality and never back down mentality.

Don't give up yet.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#330 » by jfs1000d » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:54 pm

He takes bad shots. He should shoot less 3s. More mid range. If he can get to above 30 % from 3 we may have something. He isn't explosive, habit he is very strong.

On an aside, I don't know why his shooting is so poor. He has a really nice looking shot. It is soft and has rotation and looks like it is going in. I can only hope he needs more practice.


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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#331 » by mbsnmisc » Sat Jan 7, 2017 7:52 pm

I have total faith in Marcus Smart. He makes winning plays. I don't think he gives a **** about stats, just W's. I guarantee if he makes it to RFA, he will get offers from every "smart" team that has the money to do so. I would also bet that the C's internal statistics rate him very high. Numbers matter, but the basic statistics don't measure what Smart brings to a winning environment.

He is a keeper. I hope he retires a Celtic.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#332 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Jan 7, 2017 11:06 pm

mbsnmisc wrote:I have total faith in Marcus Smart. He makes winning plays. I don't think he gives a **** about stats, just W's. I guarantee if he makes it to RFA, he will get offers from every "smart" team that has the money to do so. I would also bet that the C's internal statistics rate him very high. Numbers matter, but the basic statistics don't measure what Smart brings to a winning environment.

He is a keeper. I hope he retires a Celtic.


This. Another way of looking at it, IMO, is this - how much would we hate this guy if he was on an opposing team? Sure, I'd be pretty happy if he was chucking 3s, but his gritty defense, intensity, flopping, hairstyle, and hitting "fluke" shots at key moments of the game would have me hating him.

Imagine if he was the 1st guard off the bench for Cleveland or Golden State? This guy would be a total prick, which is why I'm glad that he's on our team.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#334 » by claycarver » Sun Jan 8, 2017 11:25 am

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Loved his last comment on Isaiah. He scores 38 points on 24 shots and you guys don't even mention him till the 5th or 5th question. Ho hum, just another day for IT.
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Re: RE: Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#335 » by ddb » Sun Jan 8, 2017 1:56 pm

mbsnmisc wrote:I have total faith in Marcus Smart. He makes winning plays. I don't think he gives a **** about stats, just W's. I guarantee if he makes it to RFA, he will get offers from every "smart" team that has the money to do so. I would also bet that the C's internal statistics rate him very high. Numbers matter, but the basic statistics don't measure what Smart brings to a winning environment.

He is a keeper. I hope he retires a Celtic.

I agree. I'm a big fan of Marcus Smart. Fits the Brad Stevens mentality very well.

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Post#336 » by ddb » Sun Jan 8, 2017 1:59 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
mbsnmisc wrote:I have total faith in Marcus Smart. He makes winning plays. I don't think he gives a **** about stats, just W's. I guarantee if he makes it to RFA, he will get offers from every "smart" team that has the money to do so. I would also bet that the C's internal statistics rate him very high. Numbers matter, but the basic statistics don't measure what Smart brings to a winning environment.

He is a keeper. I hope he retires a Celtic.


This. Another way of looking at it, IMO, is this - how much would we hate this guy if he was on an opposing team? Sure, I'd be pretty happy if he was chucking 3s, but his gritty defense, intensity, flopping, hairstyle, and hitting "fluke" shots at key moments of the game would have me hating him.

Imagine if he was the 1st guard off the bench for Cleveland or Golden State? This guy would be a total prick, which is why I'm glad that he's on our team.

I've always had the mentality that we don't need new guards. I love the IT, Bradley, Smart 3 headed guard monster with Rozier as the 4th. The unit will just continue to get better.
What we need is a bigtime wing or big man. Which is why that as much as I love the top of this draft class, I'm also okay with Danny dealing the pick for a Butler, PG13, or Cousins type. Davis ideally, but he isn't going anywhere.
Hey, maybe Draymond Green will keep yelling at Durant, they lose to SAS and Durant realizes Boston was his best bet. Lol

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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#337 » by Green89 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 2:04 pm

I think he's Smart-ened up since the flop in the Houston game on Al's layup miss. He's gaining some respect from refs, and that will be huge come playoff time. He's definitely maturing in the past week or two. Less flops, less bad shots, more bull nosed drives to the rim, and a ton of ferocious defense. Right now, he's making a case for best defender on the team, over Bradley and Crowder.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#338 » by Gant » Sun Jan 8, 2017 2:10 pm

It looks like Marcus Smart was a very good selection at the #6 spot in the 2014 draft.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#339 » by Green89 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 2:13 pm

Tuesday's going to be fun to see him D up Lowry/Derozan.
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Post#340 » by pasfru » Sun Jan 8, 2017 2:32 pm

I could see this guy playing out the rest of his career in Boston. He's loved by the GM, the coaching staff and the fans. Even when he's having an off-night, he does so many great things that go unnoticed on and off the court.

Here's a video I found the other day of Brad talking about "energy-raisers". It's from January 2015, Smart's rookie season, and he brings Marcus up in the "energy-raisers" discussion and how he benefit everyone. Interesting watch.

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