GT charlotte vs spurs 1/7 8.30 pm est

[yosemiteben]

I get that, Ben. But I'm talking about doing the simple stuff. And nobody else is to be blamed but Frank for 75% of his 3s being wide open, yet him only making 27.5% of them. The same goes for those drives which he just cannot finish effectively.

I think the reason he has such a hard time doing seemingly simple things is because he is asked to do so much more. Kind of a catch 22 with his BBIQ, he over thinks things and I think psyches himself out. You can't use someone like Justin Hamilton who carries practically zero playmaking responsibilities and still isn't exactly a knockdown shooter (33.7% this season from 3) and use him in a void as a comparison for Frank, because that ignores the fact that Frank has to juggle a lot more responsibility and also plays a much more significant role in our offense. If we just parked Frank on the perimeter and used him only as a spot up shooter like we do with Marv, I'm sure his shooting percentage would jump.

(You should have looked at the second assist, not the first one on that link)

Ah, gotcha.

[SWedd523]

@FreeMario - not sure your agenda here

Isn't it obvious? Look at his name. He clearly wants the team to bring back Super Jermareo Davidson


That's right folks. You just got hit with a decade old reference. For free. You're welcome.

[catch20two]

Talk that talk Lamar and Freemario.

[FreeMario]

free mario

[yosemiteben]

Legit question. What do you make of Lamb's detrimental play since being added to the full Q1/Q3 rotation? Cause the past 10 games his net rating is -21.0 primarily from the offensive end.

Curious to see a response to this. I'm not sure where you get a -21 net rating though, the NBA stats site has it as -11 (link). Still, given the arguments made in favor of Lamb, one wouldn't expect to see this given his increased minutes with the first unit. I was surprised when I looked it up to check this statement.

[Braggins]

Clifford is really, really good. Since watching CHA I've been impressed by the progress of almost every player....Marvin, Cody, Kemba, Frank, Nic, Lin, Lamb, MKG have all had career years and/or gotten paid.

That's rare in professional sports. It's obvious they respect him.

Nice try sneaking Frank in there

Meaning the progress and impressed with Clifford. In part why missed shots are frustrating to watch because he does so many things coaches love keeping on the floor.

Fair enough. I see the value he can bring even when he isn't shooting well. All the missed shots are frustrating, but the thing that really concerns me is that he still seems physically over matched on defense on the perimeter and inside. Seems like hes gotten a tad tougher inside, but he seems to get beat on the perimeter more than I remember last season. Its also been a while since hes done any meaningful post work. Hence why he is starting to seem more and more like a rich mans Spencer Hawes. He hasn't shown the ability to consistently make shots from anywhere on the court and hasn't looked good on defense at all this season. Hes tall and smart and can pass, but he needs to show more than that closing in on 24 years old.

[Mystical Apples]

Legit question. What do you make of Lamb's detrimental play since being added to the full Q1/Q3 rotation? Cause the past 10 games his net rating is -21.0 primarily from the offensive end.

Curious to see a response to this. I'm not sure where you get a -21 net rating though, the NBA stats site has it as -11 (link). Still, given the arguments made in favor of Lamb, one wouldn't expect to see this given his increased minutes with the first unit. I was surprised when I looked it up to check this statement.

-11 On, +10 Off. You can see it in the team passing differentials.

[Mystical Apples]

Kinda topical look at Nic's Q1/Q3 scoring and playmaking usage compared to Q2/Q4, specifically Q3 and Q4. I'd wager there's a significant correlation between Q3 offense and Q4 defense and how Nic is used.

[yosemiteben]

Legit question. What do you make of Lamb's detrimental play since being added to the full Q1/Q3 rotation? Cause the past 10 games his net rating is -21.0 primarily from the offensive end.

Curious to see a response to this. I'm not sure where you get a -21 net rating though, the NBA stats site has it as -11 (link). Still, given the arguments made in favor of Lamb, one wouldn't expect to see this given his increased minutes with the first unit. I was surprised when I looked it up to check this statement.

-11 On, +10 Off. You can see it in the team passing differentials.

Oh okay, didn't know you were going on/ off.

Prepare your butts folks...JLamb and Frank on/off differentials the last two games:

JLamb: -44.1 on (69.5 ORTG, 113.5 DRTG), 18.3 off (125.0 ORTG, 106.7 DRTG)

Frank: -31.3 on (84.0 ORTG, 115.3 DRTG), 9.4 off (114.5 ORTG, 105.1 DETG)

link

Common variable: Kemba off = -56.1 (73.1 ORTG, 129.2 DRTG)

[Eoghan]

To me that was an ugly game until SAS decided to finally start hitting their good looks. That it came when our chitty bench was out there is no surprise or revelation but the Spurs looked the better side the entire game and it was just a matter of time their better looks would produce better results.

[Mystical Apples]

Curious to see a response to this. I'm not sure where you get a -21 net rating though, the NBA stats site has it as -11 (link). Still, given the arguments made in favor of Lamb, one wouldn't expect to see this given his increased minutes with the first unit. I was surprised when I looked it up to check this statement.

-11 On, +10 Off. You can see it in the team passing differentials.

Oh okay, didn't know you were going on/ off.

Prepare your butts folks...JLamb and Frank on/off differentials the last two games:

JLamb: -44.1 on (69.5 ORTG, 113.5 DRTG), 18.3 off (125.0 ORTG, 106.7 DRTG)

Frank: -31.3 on (84.0 ORTG, 115.3 DRTG), 9.4 off (114.5 ORTG, 105.1 DETG)

link

Common variable: Kemba off = -56.1 (73.1 ORTG, 129.2 DRTG)

This is why I can't see picking and choosing "fault" like Lamar implies in his write up....crickets about Lamb but explicitly points out Frank and Ramon....bizarre cause the run happened on Lamb's watch too and has been for weeks. And I'd add a little pandering but maybe the picture is an editorial thing.

[catch20two]

Legit question. What do you make of Lamb's detrimental play since being added to the full Q1/Q3 rotation? Cause the past 10 games his net rating is -21.0 primarily from the offensive end. I bring this up because during that same period you've called Lamb CHA's 2nd best offensive player, said he should take some MKG minutes, concurred that Clifford is ruining Lamb's career, and that pretty much every CHA big + Sessions is trash. Of course all against the on-going drip of Marco v Lamb.

I got time now.

Over the first 5 games in which Belinelli didn't play and Lamb received extended minutes off the bench his net was +2.4 on the court and -1.2 off the court.
link

Then in the game against the Thunder in which Belinelli returned and Lamb's minutes went back to the 12 minute varierty of 6 minutes in the 1st/3rd quarters he had a +16 net rating per 100 possessions. That was a game where pretty much the whole team played well except for Hibbert.
link

The previous game against Detroit I had no excuse for Lamb in his 13 minutes of play. He didn't play well at all on neither end. His shot was off even the midrange pullup that he always make. If you remember I said that this will be the game that give Clifford what he need to banish Lamb to the bench the rest of the season. It was a poor display all-around in his limited minutes. That game gave Lamb's net ratings a severe hit.

Then combine his return into the game for that final 4 minutes of the 3rd quarter with the bench in this game when the Spurs went on that 15-2 run which was mostly Sessions and Hibbert turning over the ball and Kaminsky getting abused, yup, Lamb's net ratings took a hit.

Few corrections on your post. I called Lamb CHA's 2nd best 'scorer' (not offensive player) and I still think he should get at least 20 minutes a game whether that mean taking minutes from MKG or Belinelli (preferably Belinelli) or Clifford going small.

And yes every CHA big not named Zeller has been trash this year. Both Frank and Marv are shooting sub 40% and I don't need to open of the can of worms about Hibbert and Hawes to get my point across.

[catch20two]

-11 On, +10 Off. You can see it in the team passing differentials.

Oh okay, didn't know you were going on/ off.

Prepare your butts folks...JLamb and Frank on/off differentials the last two games:

JLamb: -44.1 on (69.5 ORTG, 113.5 DRTG), 18.3 off (125.0 ORTG, 106.7 DRTG)

Frank: -31.3 on (84.0 ORTG, 115.3 DRTG), 9.4 off (114.5 ORTG, 105.1 DETG)

link

Common variable: Kemba off = -56.1 (73.1 ORTG, 129.2 DRTG)

This is why I can't see picking and choosing "fault" like Lamar implies in his write up....crickets about Lamb but explicitly points out Frank and Ramon....bizarre cause the run happened on Lamb's watch too and has been for weeks. And I'd add a little pandering but maybe the picture is an editorial thing.

So you're saying that it's a battle of who get to play with Kemba the most that dictate positive net ratings. I agree. Because our team totally go to sh*tzville once Sessions come in the game especially when he's combined with Hibbert's ineptitude.