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Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.)

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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#141 » by Dat2U » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:05 am

keynote wrote:Watched the game on delay.

1) Nice to see the Wizards rally and recover after a bad first half on the road.

2) If memory serves, this is Oubre's first very good game since his concussion. Hopefully we'll see more of this going forward.

3) Beal's D was bad, but as others have pointed out, the Bucks only started targeting him after he rolled is ankle. Now, for the life of me, I don't know why Beal doesn't wear the heavy-duty ankle braces that Curry wears. It's obvious that tape alone isn't getting it done. Still, I was glad to see him walk it off and continue to contribute -- although he was diminished on the defensive end, he still made some critical plays down the stretch and ended up leading the team in points.

4) McClellan looked frisky. but let's not anoint him Jamal Crawford 2.0 just yet. I want him to do well, but I'm curious how he'll react once teams start putting together a scouting report on him.

5) Burke is, sadly, a dumpster fire. He simply doesn't have the physical tools to be a viable player in the NBA. What's more, he displays zero evidence of having a Napoleonic complex -- which is essential for undersized guards in the NBA. He's not a bulldog pest on defense; he's not spoiling for a fight like, say, a JJ Barea. He hasn't hit the gym to add extra mass, either. He doesn't play with the desperation that other undersized guys play with -- the guys who know that every minute they get on the court is a minute they've stolen from some 6'3"+ guard who isn't working/playing as hard as they are.

His skills should translate quite nicely to Europe. Hopefully he's a foodie and/or open to new adventures and challenges.

6) Our bench as currently constituted is never going to be a weapon. At this point, all I ask is for two bench players to play passable basketball. Tonight, that was Oubre and McClellan. On Tuesday, that can be Smith and Oubre. But it's really tough to win games when the bench unit can't even muster up the effort/skills to do that.

7) Nicholson makes Monroe look like Anthony Davis, athletically-speaking. It's telling that Brooks didn't even try to put Uncle Denzel on Monroe tonight, after Monroe put a hurting on him in a previous game.


Great post.

Totally agree on Burke. He simply cannot play the PG position at an acceptable level. Removing Thornton from the rotation hurts Burke in the fact that he has to bring the ball up and get his team into their offensive sets and he struggles mightily to do so. Of course, Burke & Thornton in the backcourt together was killing us defensively so something had to give. But its apparent a move will have to made there. I don't think Sato is a realistic answer because his inability to shoot won't fit well with McClellan who's more of a slasher.

Nicholson may be the worst free agent signing of him all. I literally see no hope there. I don't think there's a more unathletic player in the entire league. Watching him against Minnesota he was moving around like he had cement blocks as shoes. I remember watching him in college and being impressed with his skill level but he moved a lot faster at St. Bonaventure. He reminds me of Hasheem Thabeet in terms of the way he moves and that's scary considering Nicholson is only 6-9 240 at best. It seems to me Nicholson has gained weight since he's gotten to the NBA b/c he was regarded as a tweener coming out of college. He may need to lose weight to become a bit more mobile. I don't see how he's even playable at any position right now.
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#142 » by NatP4 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:10 am

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Hilarious lack of reading comprehension. Brooks has to choose between two bad options.

Choosing Brogdon in the 2nd round would have been a good option, just like picking Draymond Green, Middleton and so on and on and on. Brooks doesn't have the luxury of good options off the bench.

RIF


And if we chose brogdon, he would be glued to the bench and you would be defending Brooks by saying "he's choosing between Thornton and a 2nd round rookie"

what is it with you guys and telling people that disagree with you that they can't read


It's called opportunity cost. And you can't just talk about McClellan and Oubre, and ignore all the failures Ernie has accumulated over time. There's the Foye/Miller trade, the Vesely pick, KD2DC, etc. More recently, Ernie cleared cap space and didn't sign anybody in the summer of 2015 when we easily could have signed players to long-term deals before the cap skyrocketed. Specifically, ONLY looking at this summer, Ernie brought in Nicholson (26 mill/4 years), Smith (16 mill/3 year), Burke, Manhimi (64 mill/4 years), Tomas and McClellan. THIS summer, Ernie flopped on the majority of his signings. His signings have gotten us off to a 18-18 start. Hypothetically, let's replay the 2016 summer with Daryl Morey/Danny Ainge instead as our GM. Fast-forward to now, and I bet our record would be much better than 18-18.

You can't pick and choose to support your argument and jump to the conclusion that Ernie is a fine GM.


But my point is never about E.G. It's about Brooks terrible rotations
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#143 » by NatP4 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:15 am

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Hilarious lack of reading comprehension. Brooks has to choose between two bad options.

Choosing Brogdon in the 2nd round would have been a good option, just like picking Draymond Green, Middleton and so on and on and on. Brooks doesn't have the luxury of good options off the bench.

RIF


And if we chose brogdon, he would be glued to the bench and you would be defending Brooks by saying "he's choosing between Thornton and a 2nd round rookie"

what is it with you guys and telling people that disagree with you that they can't read



Are you really this dumb, or do you just do good impressions? Sheldon has 3 starts already. He has played over 100 minutes over the last 9 games. That is hardly glued to the bench. He just hasn't done much with the time he has gotten.

Maybe he will do better as the season goes on but he hasn't been glued to the bench at all. You are just making stuff up so you can pretend you are making sense.



1. Calls people dumb
2. Says they can't read.

Classic, even though Thornton has played over McClellan all season in the rotation until now. Sure, he started a couple games here and there when Beal was hurt. Try to stop twisting words and just use common sense man, we all know Thornton has played over McClellan, you're just reaching now for the sake of argument. I'm done with this, you're being ridiculous
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#144 » by mhd » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:19 am

Was looking at the Bucks salaries. Man, the Delly, Plumlee, and Teletovic signings were HORRIBLE. Nicholson sucks, but at least he's getting paid significantly less than those guys.
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Post#145 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:40 am

NatP4 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
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And if we chose brogdon, he would be glued to the bench and you would be defending Brooks by saying "he's choosing between Thornton and a 2nd round rookie"

what is it with you guys and telling people that disagree with you that they can't read



Are you really this dumb, or do you just do good impressions? Sheldon has 3 starts already. He has played over 100 minutes over the last 9 games. That is hardly glued to the bench. He just hasn't done much with the time he has gotten.

Maybe he will do better as the season goes on but he hasn't been glued to the bench at all. You are just making stuff up so you can pretend you are making sense.



1. Calls people dumb
2. Says they can't read.

Classic, even though Thornton has played over McClellan all season in the rotation until now. Sure, he started a couple games here and there when Beal was hurt. Try to stop twisting words and just use common sense man, we all know Thornton has played over McClellan, you're just reaching now for the sake of argument. I'm done with this, you're being ridiculous


Twisting words? Then please explain what you meant when you said Brogdon would be "glued to the bench".
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#146 » by Dat2U » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:57 am

mhd wrote:Was looking at the Bucks salaries. Man, the Delly, Plumlee, and Teletovic signings were HORRIBLE. Nicholson sucks, but at least he's getting paid significantly less than those guys.


At least those guys are somewhat playable rotation types. We cannot play Nicholson outside of garbage time because he's such a huge negative on the court.
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Post#147 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Jan 9, 2017 3:10 am

Just finished watching the game on dvr.

Thought this was one of Brook's best games. He rolled out the lineup of more than average discomfort early and stuck with it... then went back to it in the third.

He called some nice inbounds plays, used his timeouts well and showed some passion. I loved watching him chuck his clipboard when Burke turned the ball over at the beginning of the fourth.
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Post#148 » by deneem4 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 3:40 am

Beal is on the vedge on being an elite attacker...he showed some skill on some layups this game using his body and the glass....I dare say it...but it was kyrie like,... a couple times...
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Post#149 » by P'Oed » Mon Jan 9, 2017 3:51 am

So who's the "Jolt" '16-'17 version? You know: the one that pushes us just enough over the edge to get us to that magical world of the 6th seed of the Eastern Conference? Or: the one that doesn't even give us enough to do THAT?

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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#150 » by keynote » Mon Jan 9, 2017 4:34 am

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keynote wrote:7) Nicholson makes Monroe look like Anthony Davis, athletically-speaking. It's telling that Brooks didn't even try to put Uncle Denzel on Monroe tonight, after Monroe put a hurting on him in a previous game.


Nicholson may be the worst free agent signing of him all. I literally see no hope there. I don't think there's a more unathletic player in the entire league. Watching him against Minnesota he was moving around like he had cement blocks as shoes. I remember watching him in college and being impressed with his skill level but he moved a lot faster at St. Bonaventure. He reminds me of Hasheem Thabeet in terms of the way he moves and that's scary considering Nicholson is only 6-9 240 at best. It seems to me Nicholson has gained weight since he's gotten to the NBA b/c he was regarded as a tweener coming out of college. He may need to lose weight to become a bit more mobile. I don't see how he's even playable at any position right now.


The only way Nicholson can survive is if he goes to the Garrett Temple Offseason School for Improving Athleticism. For years, Temple was a somewhat ploddy, below-the-rim wing who would routinely get his layups blocked in transition. For his last year in DC, he suddenly turned a corner and took a leap from below-average athleticism to average. He was able to get the rim, and even (occasionally) finish over people.

I note that this kind of improvement in quicks and hops is rare. I don't know if Temple cut out sugar, or if his urine glowed all of last season. But I can't think of too many guys who have transformed their bodies and improved their athleticism that drastically who didn't start out doughy to begin with.
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#151 » by keynote » Mon Jan 9, 2017 5:42 am

On a side note: this li'l Bucks fan isn't ready for the limelight. Not quite as sad as the Polish Wizards Crying Kid, but kinda sad nonetheless. It must be tough to be a kid without the joy of dance in your heart.

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Post#152 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:17 am

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NatP4 wrote:Picture perfect rotation from Brooks today. Would eventually like to see Satoransky over Burke and obviously Mahinmi over Smith.

Record without Marcus Thornton: 2-0


This has been my only reason why i am optimistic. I have a feeling that Sato will improve along with Mclellan with Thornton and Burke fading to black. This, along with Oubre's improved play allowing us to play Morris with the 2nd unit more and a healthy Mahinmi could really help. Jason Smith looking better is just gravy.

Wall / Sato
Beal / Mclellan
Otto / Oubre
Morris / Oubre / Smith
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith

This is the rotation i expect over the last 25 games this season. Jason Smith is an underrated athlete and shooter and see no reason why he cant play the 4 for a couple minutes a games when teams go big.

Satos game is good enough to play minutes, it's his shooting that is the issue right now. He needs to get that locked down to just serviceable and we can play him minutes. His passing and Defence is fine, once he gets his shot down his whole game will get better too. McCellen has potential. He reminds me a lot of a young raw Raja Bell. God back and look at the box scores from bells first could years, they look a lot like McCellens. The thing about smith is, he does what he is here to do, he is not a star, he is on a cheap ish deal, he is not going to be terrible enough to lose you game, he is there as a healthy body who won't lose you a game!
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Post#153 » by dangermouse » Mon Jan 9, 2017 11:13 am

Wow i forgot about Raja Bell. Such a cool name.

Pretty much shoulda won that game, and did. Bucks look pretty average without Freaks and Greeks.
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Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Post#154 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 9, 2017 11:34 am

dangermouse wrote:Wow i forgot about Raja Bell. Such a cool name.

Pretty much shoulda won that game, and did. Bucks look pretty average without Freaks and Greeks.



They were also missing Middleton who averaged 18 ppg last season.
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Post#155 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 9, 2017 3:48 pm

mhd wrote:Was looking at the Bucks salaries. Man, the Delly, Plumlee, and Teletovic signings were HORRIBLE. Nicholson sucks, but at least he's getting paid significantly less than those guys.

Indeed. The Plumlee contract especially - the single worst of the offseason. But they did sign Beasley for chump change. Why they played Teletovic over Beasley most of the game was a real head-scratcher. Beasley would be a nice addition for the Wiz next season - even if he is a lousy defender. His scoring/rebounding would really help the Wiz bench.

I'm sure it was said, but if the Wiz keep playing each starter 35 plus minutes - like they did in this game - even with Beal twisting his ankle... the season isn't going to end well. They really need to do this against a Bucks team playing without their best player?
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Re: Official Thread - Wiz at Bucks (1/8/17 - 2:00 p.m.) 

Post#156 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 9, 2017 3:49 pm

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mhd wrote:Was looking at the Bucks salaries. Man, the Delly, Plumlee, and Teletovic signings were HORRIBLE. Nicholson sucks, but at least he's getting paid significantly less than those guys.

Indeed. The Plumlee contract especially - the single worst of the offseason. But they did sign Beasley for chump change. Why they played Teletovic over Beasley most of the game was a real head-scratcher. Beasley would be a nice addition for the Wiz next season - even if he is a lousy defender. His scoring/rebounding would really help the Wiz bench.

I'm sure it was said, but if the Wiz keep playing each starter 35 plus minutes - like they did in this game - even with Beal twisting his ankle... the season isn't going to end well. They really need to do this against a Bucks team playing without their best player?


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Post#157 » by DCZards » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:02 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Satos game is good enough to play minutes, it's his shooting that is the issue right now. He needs to get that locked down to just serviceable and we can play him minutes. His passing and Defence is fine, once he gets his shot down his whole game will get better too. McCellen has potential. He reminds me a lot of a young raw Raja Bell. God back and look at the box scores from bells first could years, they look a lot like McCellens. The thing about smith is, he does what he is here to do, he is not a star, he is on a cheap ish deal, he is not going to be terrible enough to lose you game, he is there as a healthy body who won't lose you a game!


What I've come to like about Smith is that he ALWAYS plays hard. Even when his shot wasn't falling early on this season he was always hustling. Smith is not a great athlete but some of what he contributes--like his at-the-rim block of a Anthony-Towns shot against Minny--are a direct result of his effort.
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Post#158 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:11 pm

keynote wrote:Watched the game on delay.

1) Nice to see the Wizards rally and recover after a bad first half on the road.

2) If memory serves, this is Oubre's first very good game since his concussion. Hopefully we'll see more of this going forward.

3) Beal's D was bad, but as others have pointed out, the Bucks only started targeting him after he rolled is ankle. Now, for the life of me, I don't know why Beal doesn't wear the heavy-duty ankle braces that Curry wears. It's obvious that tape alone isn't getting it done. Still, I was glad to see him walk it off and continue to contribute -- although he was diminished on the defensive end, he still made some critical plays down the stretch and ended up leading the team in points.

4) McClellan looked frisky. but let's not anoint him Jamal Crawford 2.0 just yet. I want him to do well, but I'm curious how he'll react once teams start putting together a scouting report on him.

5) Burke is, sadly, a dumpster fire. He simply doesn't have the physical tools to be a viable player in the NBA. What's more, he displays zero evidence of having a Napoleonic complex -- which is essential for undersized guards in the NBA. He's not a bulldog pest on defense; he's not spoiling for a fight like, say, a JJ Barea. He hasn't hit the gym to add extra mass, either. He doesn't play with the desperation that other undersized guys play with -- the guys who know that every minute they get on the court is a minute they've stolen from some 6'3"+ guard who isn't working/playing as hard as they are.

His skills should translate quite nicely to Europe. Hopefully he's a foodie and/or open to new adventures and challenges.

6) Our bench as currently constituted is never going to be a weapon. At this point, all I ask is for two bench players to play passable basketball. Tonight, that was Oubre and McClellan. On Tuesday, that can be Smith and Oubre. But it's really tough to win games when the bench unit can't even muster up the effort/skills to do that.

7) Nicholson makes Monroe look like Anthony Davis, athletically-speaking. It's telling that Brooks didn't even try to put Uncle Denzel on Monroe tonight, after Monroe put a hurting on him in a previous game.

Burke is flirting with the Maynor-line of backup pg suckiness
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Post#159 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:41 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
keynote wrote:Watched the game on delay.

1) Nice to see the Wizards rally and recover after a bad first half on the road.

2) If memory serves, this is Oubre's first very good game since his concussion. Hopefully we'll see more of this going forward.

3) Beal's D was bad, but as others have pointed out, the Bucks only started targeting him after he rolled is ankle. Now, for the life of me, I don't know why Beal doesn't wear the heavy-duty ankle braces that Curry wears. It's obvious that tape alone isn't getting it done. Still, I was glad to see him walk it off and continue to contribute -- although he was diminished on the defensive end, he still made some critical plays down the stretch and ended up leading the team in points.

4) McClellan looked frisky. but let's not anoint him Jamal Crawford 2.0 just yet. I want him to do well, but I'm curious how he'll react once teams start putting together a scouting report on him.

5) Burke is, sadly, a dumpster fire. He simply doesn't have the physical tools to be a viable player in the NBA. What's more, he displays zero evidence of having a Napoleonic complex -- which is essential for undersized guards in the NBA. He's not a bulldog pest on defense; he's not spoiling for a fight like, say, a JJ Barea. He hasn't hit the gym to add extra mass, either. He doesn't play with the desperation that other undersized guys play with -- the guys who know that every minute they get on the court is a minute they've stolen from some 6'3"+ guard who isn't working/playing as hard as they are.

His skills should translate quite nicely to Europe. Hopefully he's a foodie and/or open to new adventures and challenges.

6) Our bench as currently constituted is never going to be a weapon. At this point, all I ask is for two bench players to play passable basketball. Tonight, that was Oubre and McClellan. On Tuesday, that can be Smith and Oubre. But it's really tough to win games when the bench unit can't even muster up the effort/skills to do that.

7) Nicholson makes Monroe look like Anthony Davis, athletically-speaking. It's telling that Brooks didn't even try to put Uncle Denzel on Monroe tonight, after Monroe put a hurting on him in a previous game.

Burke is flirting with the Maynor-line of backup pg suckiness



He's bad, but Maynor was different level suck.

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