Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[dorkestra]

hey guys, what do you think about this trade:
1st overall pick 2017 draft (markelle fultz), 2017 Boston Pick, Jaylen Brown, Ante Zizic, 2018 Brooklyn Pick, 2019 Memphis Pick plus fillers for
Anthony Davis

[youngthegiant]

How about a bigger deal involving Gallinari + Nurkic???

What would you want?

Hmmmm. I was thinking Gallinari + Nurkic for Brown + Johnson. But I would also consider an alternate deal with Smart as the centerpiece.

[Tiny ball]

How about a bigger deal involving Gallinari + Nurkic???

What would you want?

Hmmmm. I was thinking Gallinari + Nurkic for Brown + Johnson. But I would also consider an alternate deal with Smart as the centerpiece.

I would not trade Smart for every player in Denver.

[Tiny ball]

hey guys, what do you think about this trade:
1st overall pick 2017 draft (markelle fultz), 2017 Boston Pick, Jaylen Brown, Ante Zizic, 2018 Brooklyn Pick, 2019 Memphis Pick plus fillers for
Anthony Davis

I don't think they would do it..

[Moobydoo]

Bogut is immensely coachable and willing to put team first - we could do worse.

[dorkestra]

Bogut is immensely coachable and willing to put team first - we could do worse.

That's true, but Bogut is a short term solution that quickly expires (speaking more about ability than contract)

I think Celtics should consolidate around their picks and young guys to go for a major game changer. If they were to get Butler, then sure, Bogut would make sense.

[GoCeltics123]

Bogut is immensely coachable and willing to put team first - we could do worse.

That's true, but Bogut is a short term solution that quickly expires (speaking more about ability than contract)

I think Celtics should consolidate around their picks and young guys to go for a major game changer. If they were to get Butler, then sure, Bogut would make sense.

I would agree but getting Butler or Davis is the hard part here.

[reload141]

How about a bigger deal involving Gallinari + Nurkic???

What would you want?

Hmmmm. I was thinking Gallinari + Nurkic for Brown + Johnson. But I would also consider an alternate deal with Smart as the centerpiece.

IF we don't think we can land an FA this offseason then I could get around Smart/Filler/Memphis pick for these two both fill needs and we get to keep our Brooklyn picks.

[jrob23]

Right now the teams shopping players are asking too much. Ainge is taking calls on the Brooklyn pick and he's probably asking too much as well. But that's the top pick in the draft of the decade. He ought to be asking too much.

exactly. Both sides are justifiably asking for a lot. That's why trades are so rare. Nobody wants to look like a fool and Danny has probably scared teams away at this point. Even if it was a one-sided trade in their favor and every single NBA talking head agreed...they are too gun shy lmao.

[FlatearthZorro]

How about a bigger deal involving Gallinari + Nurkic???

How about no?

How about a bigger deal involving Gallinari + Nurkic???

What would you want?

Hmmmm. I was thinking Gallinari + Nurkic for Brown + Johnson. But I would also consider an alternate deal with Smart as the centerpiece.

Sure man anything else u want? Maybe BKN's pick this year?

Unless it's a superstar I ain't trading ****. Danny wont either, hopefully.

[FlatearthZorro]

And just for the record Bogut does help us a lot this season, if he isn't injured that is. Dude's a great rebounder and can block a shot here and there. I think he can help Al a lot. We don't need long term bigs since Zizic and Yabu are coming next season and both of em have awesome potential.

[cl2117]

I'm loving the fact that the market seems to be flooded with mediocre bigs, hopefully that will drive prices down. Out of the guys who are actually rumored to be on the block I think Bogut, Lopez and Nurkik really stand out to me.

Bogut ticks all my boxes. Cheap to acquire, expiring, rebounding. Why not if it costs us Zeller and some 2nds?

Nurkik is really intriguing to me. His advanced stats aren't great, but I think in a niche role he could be really effective. Plus I think that he'd be a great asset to add in anticipation of a bigger deal down the line and his contract matches our goals of flexibility. If we could buy low now for Rozier/MEM 2019 and filler, I think we could package him with other pieces and get even better value from him.

Lopez is a wildcard. Take him off that Nets team and they will out-tank all others. That in and of itself is worth it to me. Beyond that though Lopez is actually killing it this season. He doesn't add a ton of what we need, but it'd be interesting to see what Brad could do with him and Horford. They reportedly want 2 firsts, I'd throw them 3 plus filler (2018 Boston unprotected, 2019 MEM, 2019 LAC). If he doesn't get injured, you could get most of that back next summer via trade.

Surely if we had a Griffin or Hayward ready to sign on the dotted line unloading Faried or Chandler (or someone else) wouldn't be too hard in the offseason?

Can I just give an 'amen' to that? I've been trying to make that point to no avail.

Did the Warriors have max room when they met with Durant? No.

Durant, LeBron, Aldridge, Carmelo, Wade -- they've all met (and several signed) with teams that didn't have space for the contracts that they gave them at the time of their meeting.

I don't know why so many get so hung up on this. You have to have a path to the max, sure, but you can trade a contract such as Tyson Chandler's -- easily. Even if in the worst case scenario we took on someone who put us over the max and they got injured or declined rapidly, we're loaded with a bunch of late firsts to pay a team to take a year of a guy if we had to dump someone.

I agree except for the Tyson Chandler part. I think guys like Faried, Vucevic, Koufos, Kanter, Monroe etc. are all guys who have multiple years, but could be moved for free or a small fee if it came to it.

What you need to avoid is anyone who is at risk of becoming the new Gerald Wallace. Tyson Chandler might be playing really well, but at his age and on his contract, he could become much harder to move if he suffered a major injury. If he goes down with a knee injury at 34 with 3 years and 40m left on that deal, you're going to be hard pressed to find a team willing to sign on for that much dead cap space for that long. With the other guys mentioned I think they are young enough or have fewer years so you could sell them to a team with space for cheap (late first). I think if Chandler were to get seriously injured, it'd be like trying to move Nikola Pekovic's contract, in other words a nightmare.

I just think in making that kind of move you've got to balance the risk/reward and even though with the way current Tyson Chandler is playing, he's significantly more risky, so it'd be better to take on one of those other names. At his age with his mileage, I'd just be worried you're playing with fire for a boost that still likely leaves us as a 2nd round team, which we could get elsewhere with less risk.

[165bows]

Bogut is dead last in the NBA in points/play. Can't even beat out Rondo or Michael Carter-Williams.

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?q=eff&year=2017&league=NBA&per=pergame&qual=prospects&sort2=DESC&pos=all&stage=all&min=15&conference=&pageno=1&sort=8

[cl2117]

Bogut is dead last in the NBA in points/play. Can't even beat out Rondo or Michael Carter-Williams.

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?q=eff&year=2017&league=NBA&per=pergame&qual=prospects&sort2=DESC&pos=all&stage=all&min=15&conference=&pageno=1&sort=8

He's been atrocious offensively, but I think he could raise that to be level with Amir/Zeller within our offense. Which is all you're really asking for, but now with better defense and rebounding.

I think with a better supporting cast and with some more fire in his belly being on a competitive team he can be passable on that end. The turnovers are the big thing with him. If he can limit those and finish regularly when IT drives and drops it off after the defense collapses, that alone could be enough.

If it's only going to cost you 2nds and Zeller it's not going to kill you if it doesn't work out. It's not like we'd be missing Tyler a ton.

[SmartWentCrazy]

How about a bigger deal involving Gallinari + Nurkic???

What would you want?

Hmmmm. I was thinking Gallinari + Nurkic for Brown + Johnson. But I would also consider an alternate deal with Smart as the centerpiece.

There are about two dozen 'Nurkic'-esque big men currently available--were not going to over pay for him when we could get a similar guy for far cheaper. And we're not trading Brown for 45 games of Gallo.

[max powers]

Bradley for Noel + sixers second/worse (higher lower nomenclature is confusing in the draft) first rounder.

Why for sixers? perimeter defender to pair with embiid's rim protection hits shots great competitor they can draft a stud pg with their top pick and have a competitive playoff team next year with a great veteran leader.

Why for Celtics? AB is going to want big money next contract and I'd rather keep IT and best player available for us in the draft is likely a guard. Noel has upside, fills a need and the pick is insurance in case he wants to much to re-sign that we don't lose AB for nothing.

[sixers4real]

Okafor + Covington for Crowder?

[165bows]

Bogut is dead last in the NBA in points/play. Can't even beat out Rondo or Michael Carter-Williams.

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?q=eff&year=2017&league=NBA&per=pergame&qual=prospects&sort2=DESC&pos=all&stage=all&min=15&conference=&pageno=1&sort=8

He's been atrocious offensively, but I think he could raise that to be level with Amir/Zeller within our offense. Which is all you're really asking for, but now with better defense and rebounding.

I think with a better supporting cast and with some more fire in his belly being on a competitive team he can be passable on that end. The turnovers are the big thing with him. If he can limit those and finish regularly when IT drives and drops it off after the defense collapses, that alone could be enough.

If it's only going to cost you 2nds and Zeller it's not going to kill you if it doesn't work out. It's not like we'd be missing Tyler a ton.

I haven't seen him much lately but I'm skeptical of guys when they suddenly want to pass everything and can't finish anything. Similar to G. Wallace's time here, when guys can't hit a single shot anywhere on the court they suddenly want to pass everything, and their assist and TO rates skyrocket.

It's a possibility but IMO second rounders + Zeller are the limit, and it should go up to until the trade deadline, as Zeller is the main contract they have to make trades. Once he's gone they are very limited in making other deals. I'll be very surprised if he's moved next week once eligible.

[Smog]

Bradley for Noel + sixers second/worse (higher lower nomenclature is confusing in the draft) first rounder.

Why for sixers? perimeter defender to pair with embiid's rim protection hits shots great competitor they can draft a stud pg with their top pick and have a competitive playoff team next year with a great veteran leader.

Why for Celtics? AB is going to want big money next contract and I'd rather keep IT and best player available for us in the draft is likely a guard. Noel has upside, fills a need and the pick is insurance in case he wants to much to re-sign that we don't lose AB for nothing.

So you want to trade Bradley (because he wants big money) for Noel (who will want big money a season sooner)? Makes no sense, especially since Bradley is much better than Noel, right now anyway.

If the Cs trade Bradley, whom they clearly love, it has to be in a package for a true star or for a younger, controllable player. If they want Noel, they can get him for just money in the offseason. Trading Bradley for Noel now makes them worse now and probably worse next year as well. Would you rather have Bradley and Zizic next year or Noel and Zizic?

[cl2117]

Bogut is dead last in the NBA in points/play. Can't even beat out Rondo or Michael Carter-Williams.

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?q=eff&year=2017&league=NBA&per=pergame&qual=prospects&sort2=DESC&pos=all&stage=all&min=15&conference=&pageno=1&sort=8

He's been atrocious offensively, but I think he could raise that to be level with Amir/Zeller within our offense. Which is all you're really asking for, but now with better defense and rebounding.

I think with a better supporting cast and with some more fire in his belly being on a competitive team he can be passable on that end. The turnovers are the big thing with him. If he can limit those and finish regularly when IT drives and drops it off after the defense collapses, that alone could be enough.

If it's only going to cost you 2nds and Zeller it's not going to kill you if it doesn't work out. It's not like we'd be missing Tyler a ton.

I haven't seen him much lately but I'm skeptical of guys when they suddenly want to pass everything and can't finish anything. Similar to G. Wallace's time here, when guys can't hit a single shot anywhere on the court they suddenly want to pass everything, and their assist and TO rates skyrocket.

It's a possibility but IMO second rounders + Zeller are the limit, and it should go up to until the trade deadline, as Zeller is the main contract they have to make trades. Once he's gone they are very limited in making other deals. I'll be very surprised if he's moved next week once eligible.

The bolded is exactly how I'd expect them to do it. Wait it out until you're sure there is no "fireworks" deal to be had and then settle for Bogut at the cost of MIN 2017, Zeller (maybe a bonus 2nd or two like the LAC/CLE 2017 2nds).

I get the skepticism that he might not make much of a difference, but at the same time at that cost it's a worthy punt. I think our crew should make it easier for him to finish and even if he doesn't you've lost almost nothing. He's been ok in the 2 areas we desperately need the upgrade (D and rebounding).