Markelle Fultz

[hcsilla]

WTF is a "polite/finesse scorer?" That sounds like it could apply to Steph Curry.

Great observation.

Obviously you just checked out after being called to the floor on that vague observation you provided...

Yes, you just destroyed me with one simple question.

If you need help to comprehend words finesse, polite and scorer, you shouldn't ask for support in this topic, I guess.

[SelfishPlayer]

Great observation.

Obviously you just checked out after being called to the floor on that vague observation you provided...

Yes, you just destroyed me with one simple question.

If you need help to comprehend words finesse, polite and scorer, you shouldn't ask for support in this topic, I guess.

I'm fine, I see where your location is and clearly you're ESL. "Polite scorer"
I just put "polite scorer" into google and only received 7 results.

[hcsilla]

Polished, not polite, BTW.

[jrob23]

I think what makes Fultz so special is there really aren't any good comps for him. Nobody has been that size, silky smooth, a finisher, and shooter all in one package. I've been watching the NBA since 1980 and I can't recall anyone quite like him. I think critics who say he isn't a pure PG may be wrong and basing that on the lack of teammates he has. They might not see athleticism because he doesn't have highlight dunks like DSJ but he has ups, handle, speed, and body control like no other. Maybe because teams focus on him so much he's never able to explode untouched to the rim for that highlight dunk. He's on a terrible team and has no spacing. The fact that he can still put up numbers is a testament to the kid. Even I've been guilty of doubting he can be a facilitator like Ball but I'm not positive that's true. I know like with the other elite guys, he'd look real good in green!!

[reanimator]

I think what makes Fultz so special is there really aren't any good comps for him. Nobody has been that size, silky smooth, a finisher, and shooter all in one package. I've been watching the NBA since 1980 and I can't recall anyone quite like him. I think critics who say he isn't a pure PG may be wrong and basing that on the lack of teammates he has. They might not see athleticism because he doesn't have highlight dunks like DSJ but he has ups, handle, speed, and body control like no other. Maybe because teams focus on him so much he's never able to explode untouched to the rim for that highlight dunk. He's on a terrible team and has no spacing. The fact that he can still put up numbers is a testament to the kid. Even I've been guilty of doubting he can be a facilitator like Ball but I'm not positive that's true. I know like with the other elite guys, he'd look real good in green!!

Agreed...the Sam Cassell, Kyrie/Lillard comps all undersell some component of his game. His feel and athleticism are being underrated for sure. Still think the Roy/Wade comps are better approximations though I still maintain he will never be as strong as those two.

[Kolkmania]

I think what makes Fultz so special is there really aren't any good comps for him. Nobody has been that size, silky smooth, a finisher, and shooter all in one package. I've been watching the NBA since 1980 and I can't recall anyone quite like him. I think critics who say he isn't a pure PG may be wrong and basing that on the lack of teammates he has. They might not see athleticism because he doesn't have highlight dunks like DSJ but he has ups, handle, speed, and body control like no other. Maybe because teams focus on him so much he's never able to explode untouched to the rim for that highlight dunk. He's on a terrible team and has no spacing. The fact that he can still put up numbers is a testament to the kid. Even I've been guilty of doubting he can be a facilitator like Ball but I'm not positive that's true. I know like with the other elite guys, he'd look real good in green!!

Agreed...the Sam Cassell, Kyrie/Lillard comps all undersell some component of his game. His feel and athleticism are being underrated for sure. Still think the Roy/Wade comps are better approximations though I still maintain he will never be as strong as those two.

To me is James Harden an optimistic comparison for Markelle Fultz.

[reanimator]

I think what makes Fultz so special is there really aren't any good comps for him. Nobody has been that size, silky smooth, a finisher, and shooter all in one package. I've been watching the NBA since 1980 and I can't recall anyone quite like him. I think critics who say he isn't a pure PG may be wrong and basing that on the lack of teammates he has. They might not see athleticism because he doesn't have highlight dunks like DSJ but he has ups, handle, speed, and body control like no other. Maybe because teams focus on him so much he's never able to explode untouched to the rim for that highlight dunk. He's on a terrible team and has no spacing. The fact that he can still put up numbers is a testament to the kid. Even I've been guilty of doubting he can be a facilitator like Ball but I'm not positive that's true. I know like with the other elite guys, he'd look real good in green!!

Agreed...the Sam Cassell, Kyrie/Lillard comps all undersell some component of his game. His feel and athleticism are being underrated for sure. Still think the Roy/Wade comps are better approximations though I still maintain he will never be as strong as those two.

To me is James Harden an optimistic comparison for Markelle Fultz.

I get where you are coming from but I don't see the similarity physically or in how they move but both are definitely deceptively athletic and highly skilled guys who can slot in at the 1 and 2.

[hcsilla]

Yes, Harden's movement, body-type was different.

Brandon Roy might be the closest comparison, IMO.

[jrob23]

I'm impressed by Fultz as a college player but I'm no longer expecting him to be able to translate it to the pros. He has really slow feet on defense with no effort. I'm talking liability bad. I had thought that his silky smooth play meant he had some athleticism in reserve but I don't think it's the case. He does not have that extra hop or speed I've been imagining. I think his smoothness is actually a mask for his lack of athleticism. He's effective because he changes speed which throws guys off. It's kind of like a pitcher who has an okay fastball at 90 mph and then throws a changeup at 83 mph. It makes his fastball seem faster but it's really just smoke and mirrors. What I thought was that like that pitcher, maybe he could dial up his speed and quickness to 95 mph if he needed to. But no longer. It works in college but the athletes in the NBA are just way too much. He wont' be able to get by people or rise enough to shoot over them at the next level. I've seen him enough now to completely have zero desire for the Celtics to draft him. None. I wouldn't take him before Smith, Ball or Fox. I know it sounds stupid after being so high on him for so long (like everyone) but it's just what I see. I've been putting him so high because of groupthink and the hype. It clouded my vision and instincts. I've been pretty consistent all along that I didn't see the separation talent wise between he and others though. Maybe I'm wrong and if so this will be a glaring failure as a draftnik.

It's extremely difficult to separate what you see a great college player do (see Luke Kennard and Alford) but determine that despite that dominance he won't be able to do it in the pros. Fultz is now in that same company. He'd have to completely change his personality for him to succeed like how he's been hyped. He plays like he wants everyone to believe he's not breaking a sweat. Too cool for school. It's a huge turnoff and red flag because he's not the athlete nor has the motor to back it up in the NBA. I'm prepared to get lambasted for this opinion but my mind is made up on him. I'm just glad I'm doing it now. I actually might be the first to declare him completely overrated. I'll either be prescient or spectacularly wrong lmao!!

[cksdayoff]

I've seen him enough now to completely have zero desire for the Celtics to draft him. None. I wouldn't take him before Smith, Ball or Fox.

I hope and pray the Celtics pass on Fultz if they land a top 3 pick. I hope the Celtics take Fox.

[treefi]

I've seen him enough now to completely have zero desire for the Celtics to draft him. None. I wouldn't take him before Smith, Ball or Fox.

I hope and pray the Celtics pass on Fultz if they land a top 3 pick. I hope the Celtics take Fox.

If Celtics get the 3rd pick and take Fox over Fultz, whoever has the #4 pick is going to thank you for your prayers.

[cksdayoff]

I've seen him enough now to completely have zero desire for the Celtics to draft him. None. I wouldn't take him before Smith, Ball or Fox.

I hope and pray the Celtics pass on Fultz if they land a top 3 pick. I hope the Celtics take Fox.

If Celtics get the 3rd pick and take Fox over Fultz, whoever has the #4 pick is going to thank you for your prayers.

imagine the Sixers getting the #4 Lakers pick and taking Fultz. I would give up alcohol and cigarettes for life.

[LonZoBallin]

Washington losing has to be a little bit of a problem, right? I know Ben didn't win last year but Washington is under .500.

idk something about losing this bad all the time scares me a bit. Like be real, if you're a superstar you should be able to lead a college team to a .500 record at least, right?

Maybe it's just me but I just got done watching the 1st half of the Standford game and I have worries. Standford is .500 and they're beating them by 20!!! If he was a Big that wasn't getting the ball that would be one thing but he touches it every possession

[Mulhollanddrive]

34-7-3-2-2 today.

I wouldn't draft TJ Leaf ahead of him.

Michael Jordan won 1 playoff game in the NBA before he was 25.

[Marcus]

Yeah I'm not so sure not being able to carry a college team to victories is necessarily a knock against a talented kid. If the translatable skills are there and he's playing hard doing everything he can then I don't think it's a negative.

[doordoor123]

34-7-3-2-2 today.

I wouldn't draft TJ Leaf ahead of him.

Michael Jordan won 1 playoff game in the NBA before he was 25.

There are people that would draft Leaf before Fultz?

[eagereyez]

I don't think TJ Leaf's mom would draft Leaf ahead of Fultz.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Just playing along with the logic of selecting the 17-1 team's best player (win shares per 40) over the 8-10 team's best player, which would mean selecting Leaf ahead of Fultz, which you obviously wouldn't do.

Also if you look deeper at Washington's numbers they're ranked top 16% in Offensive Rating. The team with that ranking in the NBA is Cleveland.

[SelfishPlayer]

Although he plays PG in college, I think that he would be better as an NBA SG approaching the game offensively like CJ McCollum, Brandon Roy, and Devin Booker.

[Marcus]

Although he plays PG in college, I think that he would be better as an NBA SG approaching the game offensively like CJ McCollum, Brandon Roy, and Devin Booker.

Always saw him as a two playing lead guard.