Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[spree8]

I think Nurkic would be a perfect fit for you guys. He's young but has some experience and is dirt cheap for the next year or two.

I don't think you could steal him, but maybe a pick swap with Denver can land him?

Would have to wait til draft day to know where you're at pick wise, but if it's a situation where you guys are @ #3 and the Nugz are @ #9, I think it makes sense considering you guys already have Smart, Rozier, and JBrown and probably Crowder moving to the bench when you likely sign Hayward.

In the 9 range you could get a front court player like Giles, Isaac, or if you did want a backcourt player, still have Fox, Monk, or Frankie to choose from.

So what ure trying to say here is that we trade a top 3 for Nurkic and the 8th-9th pick?

Good that u aren't a GM, bro.

Na just that for this team, Fox/Frankie & Nurkic is better than just Ball/Smith Jr. I wouldn't do it for JJackson or Fultz tho.

[Captain_Caveman]

Lol you guys are hilarious. My bad...guess I misread the situation here.

No one is trading down from 3rd to 9th to add a backup big man who is worth a mid-1st at best.

Before you mock us for being homers, consider exactly how stupid and franchise-altering it would have been for your team to trade down from Porzingis to Kaminsky just to add a backup center.

With the benefit of hindsight, you would never do that in a million years, right? Would be like the dumbest thing imaginable, no?

But here you are mocking us for not wanting to do the same in a draft that is much stronger at the top.

Get the hell on out of here and take this whupping with you! Lol

I genuinely meant that the responses like "if Ainge did that I'd burn myself in front of his office" "Jesus Christ" and "is that you Isaiah Thomas?" were seriously funny...in a good way. Def not going to come to another teams board to mock fans over a simple hypothetical trade question lol.

My bad lol.

But to be fair, your suggestion was not good. I mean, 3rd to 9th is not just Porzingis for Kaminsky, but also Chris Paul for Ike Diogu, Jordan for Otis Thorpe, Embiid for Noah Vonleh...

Might work out for you, but it'd be insane to risk it.

[SMTBSI]

Woj's podcast with Noel is out. It's really painful to listen. He says 'you know' two or three times in every sentence. I had no idea something like that could change my opinion on a player. But it just did.

https://art19.com/shows/vertical/episodes/e96bd822-ba3d-431a-adfa-8516da1b7247

Then you definitely don't want to listen to any Olynyk interviews...

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

[spree8]

No one is trading down from 3rd to 9th to add a backup big man who is worth a mid-1st at best.

Before you mock us for being homers, consider exactly how stupid and franchise-altering it would have been for your team to trade down from Porzingis to Kaminsky just to add a backup center.

With the benefit of hindsight, you would never do that in a million years, right? Would be like the dumbest thing imaginable, no?

But here you are mocking us for not wanting to do the same in a draft that is much stronger at the top.

Get the hell on out of here and take this whupping with you! Lol

I genuinely meant that the responses like "if Ainge did that I'd burn myself in front of his office" "Jesus Christ" and "is that you Isaiah Thomas?" were seriously funny...in a good way. Def not going to come to another teams board to mock fans over a simple hypothetical trade question lol.

My bad lol.

But to be fair, your suggestion was not good. I mean, 3rd to 9th is not just Porzingis for Kaminsky, but also Chris Paul for Ike Diogu, Jordan for Otis Thorpe, Embiid for Noah Vonleh...

Might work out for you, but it'd be insane to risk it.

Haha it's cool. But yea in those drafts of course that'd be dumb...I just think that this draft is really deep with players on a similar level to each other. I guess it's all how you value each individual player.

Like Ball is a phenomenal passer, but has his flaws...like a tendency to take crazy Steph type 3's like 2 seconds into the shot clock, and can be lazy on defense sometimes. Smith Jr had that ACL surgery which concerns me but he's still a great all around pg.

But then Frank looks like he can be a freak at the pg position who can guard 3 positions...like a Rondo without the mental issues and a better shot with Giannis type wingspan...almost 7 feet and he's 6'5". And Fox is similar with his playmaking, length, and defense but is extremely quick. If he improves his shot to be more consistent, he'll be nuts.

I'm not trying to convince anyone lol...just trying to help you understand what my thought process was when I mentioned the deal.

[TheOGJabroni]

Bradley isn't playing tomorrow vs. Toronto and Butler might miss tonight's game

[ConstableGeneva]

Bradley isn't playing tomorrow vs. Toronto and Butler might miss tonight's game

Zeller and Young are out too. We all know what this means.

[TheOGJabroni]

Bradley isn't playing tomorrow vs. Toronto and Butler might miss tonight's game

Zeller and Young are out too. We all know what this means.

[jmr07019]

Haha it's cool. But yea in those drafts of course that'd be dumb...I just think that this draft is really deep with players on a similar level to each other. I guess it's all how you value each individual player.

Like Ball is a phenomenal passer, but has his flaws...like a tendency to take crazy Steph type 3's like 2 seconds into the shot clock, and can be lazy on defense sometimes. Smith Jr had that ACL surgery which concerns me but he's still a great all around pg.

But then Frank looks like he can be a freak at the pg position who can guard 3 positions...like a Rondo without the mental issues and a better shot with Giannis type wingspan...almost 7 feet and he's 6'5". And Fox is similar with his playmaking, length, and defense but is extremely quick. If he improves his shot to be more consistent, he'll be nuts.

I'm not trying to convince anyone lol...just trying to help you understand what my thought process was when I mentioned the deal.

How would you rank players into tiers in this draft? I'm not so sure on the answer myself as I mostly basing this off of reading articles and not watching actual games but I think I would have something like:

Tier 1:
Fultz, Smith, Jackson

Tier 2:
Ball, Tatum, Monk, Issac, Markannen

Tiers 3 and lower: everybody else.

Who is Frank? Autocorrect?

[Bohemian]

Bradley isn't playing tomorrow vs. Toronto and Butler might miss tonight's game

Zeller and Young are out too. We all know what this means.

Butler has the flu, Zeller had it and he still hasn´t recovered...something suspicious here hehe

Danny, pull da trigger!!

Also, Crowder is acting weirdly lately and he hasn´t played well since his twitter thing...Crowder, Zeller, Young and picks for Jimmy?

[Disinformation]

Zeller and Young are out too. We all know what this means.

Butler has the flu, Zeller had it and he still hasn´t recovered...something suspicious here hehe

Danny, pull da trigger!!

Also, Crowder is acting weirdly lately and he hasn´t played well since his twitter thing...Crowder, Zeller, Young and picks for Jimmy?

Zeller gave Butler the flu while they were in bed cuddling?

[ddb]

How about this out of the box 2 step trade idea. Here me out.

Trade #1:

Bradley, KO, Young, 2017 Minny 2nd to Minny for Dieng, Muhammad, Minny unprotected 2017 1st.

Trade #2:

Crowder, Brown, Zeller, 2017 Minny 1st, BK18, Memphis 1st to Chicago for Butler & McDermott

Danny accomplishes acquiring another prime All Star, more size & rebounding, plus more bench shooting/scoring while keeping the BK17, Smart, IT, Horford. He also positions the team to make major moves in the offseason via free agency, draft and trade.

Leaves us with IT-SMART-BUTLER-Horford-Dieng as the starting unit with Rozier-Muhammad-Green-McDermott-Jonas-Amir off the bench.
Alot of new faces mid season but a masterful job of positioning this team to start contending very soon.

Why for Minny? They commit to Bradley long term. He is the ideal 26 year old compliment to Towns, Wiggins & Lavine. Bradley is such a Thibs type. Subsequent move likely involving Rubio. KO on paper looks like a great fit next to Towns as well. That team would have weapons everywhere as they mature.

Why for Chicago? If they decide to move Butler then this is 1 heck of a haul. Jaylen Brown, Crowder, Minny 17 1st rounder gives them a mid lotto pick as well as next year they can tank and walk away with potentially 2 top 5 picks (own & BK).

Why for

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[CelticFaninLBC]

How about this out of the box 2 step trade idea. Here me out.

Trade #1:

Bradley, KO, Young, 2017 Minny 2nd to Minny for Dieng, Muhammad, Minny unprotected 2017 1st.

Trade #2:

Crowder, Brown, Zeller, 2017 Minny 1st, BK18, Memphis 1st to Chicago for Butler & McDermott

I like adding in Minnesota, but wouldn't give Chicago BKN 2018 too. Brown, Crowder & MN 2017 is plenty. They aren't trading LeBron.

[Bohemian]

Butler has the flu, Zeller had it and he still hasn´t recovered...something suspicious here hehe

Danny, pull da trigger!!

Also, Crowder is acting weirdly lately and he hasn´t played well since his twitter thing...Crowder, Zeller, Young and picks for Jimmy?

Zeller gave Butler the flu while they were in bed cuddling?

hahahaha

[spree8]

Haha it's cool. But yea in those drafts of course that'd be dumb...I just think that this draft is really deep with players on a similar level to each other. I guess it's all how you value each individual player.

Like Ball is a phenomenal passer, but has his flaws...like a tendency to take crazy Steph type 3's like 2 seconds into the shot clock, and can be lazy on defense sometimes. Smith Jr had that ACL surgery which concerns me but he's still a great all around pg.

But then Frank looks like he can be a freak at the pg position who can guard 3 positions...like a Rondo without the mental issues and a better shot with Giannis type wingspan...almost 7 feet and he's 6'5". And Fox is similar with his playmaking, length, and defense but is extremely quick. If he improves his shot to be more consistent, he'll be nuts.

I'm not trying to convince anyone lol...just trying to help you understand what my thought process was when I mentioned the deal.

How would you rank players into tiers in this draft? I'm not so sure on the answer myself as I mostly basing this off of reading articles and not watching actual games but I think I would have something like:

Tier 1:
Fultz, Smith, Jackson

Tier 2:
Ball, Tatum, Monk, Issac, Markannen

Tiers 3 and lower: everybody else.

Who is Frank? Autocorrect?

Frank's last name is Ntilikina... on the Knicks board he's just referred to as Frank since that last name is pretty rough to spell correctly lol. Here's his draft express link if you're interested...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Frank-Ntilikina-77051/

...he's projected to go as high as #4 (NBAdraft.net) and #11 (DraftExpress).


About the rest, I would tier them this way, along with a combo/hybrid of players they kinda remind me of..


Tier 1:

Josh Jackson (Wiggins/Kawhi)
Markelle Fultz (Brandon Roy/Westbrook)



Tier 2:

Dennis Smith Jr (Kyle Lowry/Bledsoe)
Lonzo Ball (Livingston/JKidd/Kevin Martin)
Jayson Tatum (Melo/JParker)


Tier 3:

Frank Ntilikina (Rondo/Giannis)
De'Aaron Fox (Elfrid Payton/Rondo)



Just in terms of value and where they should be drafted, but the dudes in Tier 3 could easily have just as good if not better careers than the dudes in Tier 2.

Btw the comparisons are a combination of those players...like Ball's body is like Shaun, passes/vision like Kidd, and shot is like KMart. And Smith plays like Lowry with Bledsoe's athleticism and rim attacking ability...I'm torn between these two because it's a tough call, but I'd say they're similar level especially when you consider Smith Jr's ACL injury...a little bit of a concern.

Problem with someone like Frank is the sample size. We don't get to see as much from him and he doesn't get to play as much overseas...that's usually the issue with foreign players like it was with KP and Giannis. But the potential is clear as day when you see him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

How about this out of the box 2 step trade idea. Here me out.

Trade #1:

Bradley, KO, Young, 2017 Minny 2nd to Minny for Dieng, Muhammad, Minny unprotected 2017 1st.

Trade #2:

Crowder, Brown, Zeller, 2017 Minny 1st, BK18, Memphis 1st to Chicago for Butler & McDermott

I like adding in Minnesota, but wouldn't give Chicago BKN 2018 too. Brown, Crowder & MN 2017 is plenty. They aren't trading LeBron.

So, Bradley, KO, Young, 2017 MIN 2nd, Crowder, Brown, Zeller, unprotected 2017 MIN 1st, BKN 18, MEM '19 1st out - Butler, Mcdermott, Dieng, Muhammad in?

Dude that's a bad trade. You're letting Dieng's meeting of a short-term need skew how you're evaluating the whole thing.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think Bradley and other assets could get you Butler - while you keep both Brooklyns, Jaylen and Smart. Just a strong hunch. They're negotiating from a position of weakness and panic, and they have fears or organizational problems motivating them to deal Butler. Not sure what they're afraid of, but it's something behind the scenes. Bradley/Zeller/Young/BOS '18/LAC 1st

[Bohemian]

I think Bradley and other assets could get you Butler - while you keep both Brooklyns, Jaylen and Smart. Just a strong hunch. They're negotiating from a position of weakness and panic, and they have fears or organizational problems motivating them to deal Butler. Not sure what they're afraid of, but it's something behind the scenes. Bradley/Zeller/Young/BOS '18/LAC 1st

I want to believe in this, hopefully it´s true...if only you told me you used to wear #44 and that your son is called Austin then you would make my day

[Disinformation]

I think Bradley and other assets could get you Butler - while you keep both Brooklyns, Jaylen and Smart. Just a strong hunch. They're negotiating from a position of weakness and panic, and they have fears or organizational problems motivating them to deal Butler. Not sure what they're afraid of, but it's something behind the scenes. Bradley/Zeller/Young/BOS '18/LAC 1st

My jaw would literally drop if they were able to get Butler for Bradley and two mediocre 1st rounders.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I think Bradley and other assets could get you Butler - while you keep both Brooklyns, Jaylen and Smart. Just a strong hunch. They're negotiating from a position of weakness and panic, and they have fears or organizational problems motivating them to deal Butler. Not sure what they're afraid of, but it's something behind the scenes. Bradley/Zeller/Young/BOS '18/LAC 1st

I want to believe in this, hopefully it´s true...if only you told me you used to wear #44 and that your son is called Austin then you would make my day

Andrew McCeltic is Jiri Welsch? And has a son named Austin?

[Banks2Pierce]

I think Bradley and other assets could get you Butler - while you keep both Brooklyns, Jaylen and Smart. Just a strong hunch.

I've got a hunch that you should not be a detective with that hunch

Wonder if we could revisit the Philadelphia well when it comes to Butler? I feel this could be what Bulpett/Ainge implied in the past without directly saying it. Flip Bradley to them for the Lakers pick and route it to Chicago. Bulls get Lakers pick, Jaylen, 2018 BKN, and some other potpourri. Obstacle probably that they don't seem to be high on Brown.