Political Roundtable Part XI

[nate33]

Once again, this company move has NOTHING to do with Trump and his childish threats, it's in the article folks, read it.


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On top of that, there would be no American auto industry and the industry jobs that are coming back to the US if it were not for the fact that Obama bailed the auto industry out...against the protests of most Repubs.

Nonsense. Failing to bail out the auto industry would not have ended the auto industry. It would have hurt bondholders of the auto industry. Instead, we spent taxpayer dollars to bail out investors.

[nate33]

Guys, no matter what side of the aisle you are in politics, how do you get past the fact that we have a petulant child for a president-elect?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-blasts-meryl-streep-after-golden-globes-speech-124418222.htmllobes-speech-124418222.html

I've gotten used to it. Trump is gonna Trump.

He is trying to establish a condition where there is a wide gap between being on his "good side" and on his "bad side". When you're on his good side, he will praise you and help you out. When you're on his bad side, he will attack you mercilessly. His ultimate goal is to make people fear being on his bad side so that he can get things done by simple cajoling rather than legislation. It could be a useful advantage in international negotiations and in negotiating with CEO's. It appears to be working so far with the automobile companies:

Petulance like that displayed by Trump may at times seem to be a winning approach but at the end of the day it's destined to be a failed strategy. The kind of divide and conquer you seem to applaud and accept is never a good thing for a country and its people.

I see it the other way around. I think it looks childish now, but will end up being a winning approach. It's what Trump has done throughout his career and it's why he has been a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business that does not rely on luck or first-mover monopoly power (like Google, Microsoft or Amazon).

The Trump detractors continue to think Trump is bumbling fool, a "petulant child" who just somehow lucked his way into the presidency. Trump has been successful for 50 years. He was successful as a businessman; he was successful as a TV star; he was successful in taking over and reinventing the Republican party; he was successful in taking on a discrediting the media; and he was successful in defeating the Democrat machine against all odds. Maybe, just maybe, he's not a bumbling idiot, and he actually knows what he is doing.

[gtn130]

Once again, this company move has NOTHING to do with Trump and his childish threats, it's in the article folks, read it.


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On top of that, there would be no American auto industry and the industry jobs that are coming back to the US if it were not for the fact that Obama bailed the auto industry out...against the protests of most Repubs.

Nonsense. Failing to bail out the auto industry would not have ended the auto industry. It would have hurt bondholders of the auto industry. Instead, we spent taxpayer dollars to bail out investors.

The general consensus from both a legislative panel and experts is that the intervention by the administration kept both companies out of long, drawn out bankruptcies that could have resulted in the liquidation of GM and Chrysler. That likely would have impacted Ford as well (Ford didn’t take government money, but lobbied for GM and Chrysler to receive assistance, noting that the three automakers shared parts suppliers) and threatened the U.S. auto industry existence.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/22/barack-obama/obama-says-automakers-have-paid-back-all-loans-it-/

[gtn130]

I've gotten used to it. Trump is gonna Trump.

He is trying to establish a condition where there is a wide gap between being on his "good side" and on his "bad side". When you're on his good side, he will praise you and help you out. When you're on his bad side, he will attack you mercilessly. His ultimate goal is to make people fear being on his bad side so that he can get things done by simple cajoling rather than legislation. It could be a useful advantage in international negotiations and in negotiating with CEO's. It appears to be working so far with the automobile companies:

Petulance like that displayed by Trump may at times seem to be a winning approach but at the end of the day it's destined to be a failed strategy. The kind of divide and conquer you seem to applaud and accept is never a good thing for a country and its people.

I see it the other way around. I think it looks childish now, but will end up being a winning approach. It's what Trump has done throughout his career and it's why he has been a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business that does not rely on luck or first-mover monopoly power (like Google, Microsoft or Amazon).

The Trump detractors continue to think Trump is bumbling fool, a "petulant child" who just somehow lucked his way into the presidency. Trump has been successful for 50 years. He was successful as a businessman; he was successful as a TV star; he was successful in taking over and reinventing the Republican party; he was successful in taking on a discrediting the media; and he was successful in defeating the Democrat machine against all odds. Maybe, just maybe, he's not a bumbling idiot, and he actually knows what he is doing.

you sure are confident in his success without much knowledge of his financials.

[Induveca]

Where is Induveca to tell us the cyber security community is laughing at this?

Sorry traveling but from 30k feet!

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/wikileaks-russia-hacking-report-political-document-44653103

[nate33]

Petulance like that displayed by Trump may at times seem to be a winning approach but at the end of the day it's destined to be a failed strategy. The kind of divide and conquer you seem to applaud and accept is never a good thing for a country and its people.

I see it the other way around. I think it looks childish now, but will end up being a winning approach. It's what Trump has done throughout his career and it's why he has been a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business that does not rely on luck or first-mover monopoly power (like Google, Microsoft or Amazon).

The Trump detractors continue to think Trump is bumbling fool, a "petulant child" who just somehow lucked his way into the presidency. Trump has been successful for 50 years. He was successful as a businessman; he was successful as a TV star; he was successful in taking over and reinventing the Republican party; he was successful in taking on a discrediting the media; and he was successful in defeating the Democrat machine against all odds. Maybe, just maybe, he's not a bumbling idiot, and he actually knows what he is doing.

you sure are confident in his success without much knowledge of his financials.

He made thorough financial disclosures when he entered the Presidential campaign. He has filed tax returns every year and endured audits every year with no incidents. Forbes has estimated his worth to be at least $4 billion.

[gtn130]

Where is Induveca to tell us the cyber security community is laughing at this?

Sorry traveling but from 30k feet!

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/wikileaks-russia-hacking-report-political-document-44653103

Trump himself has acknowledged Russian involvement. I showed you like ten tweets from a cyber security expert explaining how whoever executed the hacking had an extensive history of working in step with Russian interests, and you ignored it.

Your response is still "Julian Assange disagrees"

Cool, bro. Keep the dream alive.

[gtn130]

I see it the other way around. I think it looks childish now, but will end up being a winning approach. It's what Trump has done throughout his career and it's why he has been a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business that does not rely on luck or first-mover monopoly power (like Google, Microsoft or Amazon).

The Trump detractors continue to think Trump is bumbling fool, a "petulant child" who just somehow lucked his way into the presidency. Trump has been successful for 50 years. He was successful as a businessman; he was successful as a TV star; he was successful in taking over and reinventing the Republican party; he was successful in taking on a discrediting the media; and he was successful in defeating the Democrat machine against all odds. Maybe, just maybe, he's not a bumbling idiot, and he actually knows what he is doing.

you sure are confident in his success without much knowledge of his financials.

He made thorough financial disclosures when he entered the Presidential campaign. He has filed tax returns every year and endured audits every year with no incidents. Forbes has estimated his worth to be at least $4 billion.

Financial disclosures are not nearly as informative as a tax return. You know this.

And "enduring" an audit proves what?

Forbes' guesses about net worth are just that.

[nate33]

you sure are confident in his success without much knowledge of his financials.

He made thorough financial disclosures when he entered the Presidential campaign. He has filed tax returns every year and endured audits every year with no incidents. Forbes has estimated his worth to be at least $4 billion.

Financial disclosures are not nearly as informative as a tax return. You know this.

And "enduring" an audit proves what?

Forbes' guesses about net worth are just that.

Enduring an audit means he's doing nothing illegal.

[gtn130]

He made thorough financial disclosures when he entered the Presidential campaign. He has filed tax returns every year and endured audits every year with no incidents. Forbes has estimated his worth to be at least $4 billion.

Financial disclosures are not nearly as informative as a tax return. You know this.

And "enduring" an audit proves what?

Forbes' guesses about net worth are just that.

Enduring an audit means he's doing nothing illegal.

So not doing anything illegal is a benchmark for success?

[DCZards]

He made thorough financial disclosures when he entered the Presidential campaign. He has filed tax returns every year and endured audits every year with no incidents. Forbes has estimated his worth to be at least $4 billion.

Financial disclosures are not nearly as informative as a tax return. You know this.

And "enduring" an audit proves what?

Forbes' guesses about net worth are just that.

Enduring an audit means he's doing nothing illegal.

No, enduring an audit means that you've been audited. It doesn't mean that nothing illegal was found.

[nate33]

Financial disclosures are not nearly as informative as a tax return. You know this.

And "enduring" an audit proves what?

Forbes' guesses about net worth are just that.

Enduring an audit means he's doing nothing illegal.

No, enduring an audit means that you've been audited. It doesn't mean that nothing illegal was found.

?

So he's been audited by the IRS every year for the past 15 years and committed rampant crimes, but the IRS has decided to do nothing about it?

[nate33]

Financial disclosures are not nearly as informative as a tax return. You know this.

And "enduring" an audit proves what?

Forbes' guesses about net worth are just that.

Enduring an audit means he's doing nothing illegal.

So not doing anything illegal is a benchmark for success?

Did I say that?

The fact that he is still in business after 50 years and still apparently has a good enough credit rating to finance the building and renovation of hotels and properties tells me he is successful. I'm also confident that Forbes knows more about him than you do when they estimate his wealth. The fact that he has survived audits tells me he has been successful without breaking tax laws.

[gtn130]

Enduring an audit means he's doing nothing illegal.

So not doing anything illegal is a benchmark for success?

Did I say that?

The fact that he is still in business after 50 years and still apparently has a good enough credit rating to finance the building and renovation of hotels and properties tells me he is successful. I'm also confident that Forbes knows more about him than you do when they estimate his wealth. The fact that he has survived audits tells me he has been successful without breaking tax laws.

No, but what I originally said was, "you sure are confident in his success without much knowledge of his financials."

If you're just making random, arbitrary, unrelated comments about Trump, good for you i guess.

[gtn130]

Enduring an audit means he's doing nothing illegal.

So not doing anything illegal is a benchmark for success?

Did I say that?

The fact that he is still in business after 50 years and still apparently has a good enough credit rating to finance the building and renovation of hotels and properties tells me he is successful. I'm also confident that Forbes knows more about him than you do when they estimate his wealth. The fact that he has survived audits tells me he has been successful without breaking tax laws.

and neither of us have any idea what Trump's financials look like. Simply "being in business after 50 years" proves literally nothing.

[gtn130]

An inheritor of millions has been in business for 50 years, he has "endured" an audit, and he has access to credit, therefore he's a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business!

[nate33]

An inheritor of millions has been in business for 50 years, he has "endured" an audit, and he has access to credit, therefore he's a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business!

Whatever dude. You go on believing that Trump is some kind of shyster who has built dozens of high profile properties throughout the world via scams and fraud. You are right. Forbes is wrong.

[gtn130]

An inheritor of millions has been in business for 50 years, he has "endured" an audit, and he has access to credit, therefore he's a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business!

Whatever dude. You go on believing that Trump is some kind of shyster who has built dozens of high profile properties throughout the world via scams and fraud. You are right. Forbes is wrong.

The thing is, I didn't say any of those things.

If Trump released his tax returns, I would have zero doubts about his wild business successes. Refusing to release it is a clear indicator that it wouldn't make him look good.

[nate33]

An inheritor of millions has been in business for 50 years, he has "endured" an audit, and he has access to credit, therefore he's a successful businessman in a highly competitive and mature business!

Whatever dude. You go on believing that Trump is some kind of shyster who has built dozens of high profile properties throughout the world via scams and fraud. You are right. Forbes is wrong.

The thing is, I didn't say any of those things.

If Trump released his tax returns, I would have zero doubts about his wild business successes. Refusing to release it is a clear indicator that it wouldn't make him look good.

Or it's a clear indicator that he hasn't given much to charity, or that he uses lots of tax write-offs to (legally) minimize the amount of taxes he pays. These types of things would make him look bad politically, but would not, in any way, indicate that he is a bad businessman.

[gtn130]

Whatever dude. You go on believing that Trump is some kind of shyster who has built dozens of high profile properties throughout the world via scams and fraud. You are right. Forbes is wrong.

The thing is, I didn't say any of those things.

If Trump released his tax returns, I would have zero doubts about his wild business successes. Refusing to release it is a clear indicator that it wouldn't make him look good.

Or it's a clear indicator that he hasn't given much to charity, or that he uses lots of tax write-offs to (legally) minimize the amount of taxes he pays. These types of things would make him look bad politically, but would not, in any way, indicate that he is a bad businessman.

Yes, and that's why I haven't made any pronouncements about his business success other than "we don't really know, but there are reasons for skepticism." You're the one shouting from the roof tops how wildly successful and admirable he is.