2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[bondom34]

I should have said dominating possessions. Don't tell me there isn't any difference between Harden/Lebron's approach to the game and Westbrook's because there is. 08-09 Lebron and 14-15 Harden both had awful offensive cast, and didn't even come close to Westbrook's current usage rate. Russ is routinely shooting 30+ times in a game; you put Harden or Lebron on any bottom feeder team, and they still wouldn't do that.

Lebron, I agree. Harden not so much. He's never had this inept an offense around him.

Harden in 2015 had Josh Smith, Corey Brewer, and Joey Dorsey playing significant roles. That team was pretty awful offensively

Touche . Though Smith isn't afraid to shoot lol.

[Gil]

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These were the hot takes we were getting over the summer about Houston. Now the Rockets supporting cast are on par with the 86 Celtics.

[bondom34]

MLB experts projecting the NBA.

[Triples333]

MLB experts projecting the NBA.

NBA Experts had them at 40-45 wins (i've seen as low as 33), which they will approach/pass by the All Star Break.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/10/18/warriors-cavaliers-spurs-clippers-raptors-celtics-nba-record-predictions/92307882/

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17886875/nba-projected-fall-forecast-standings-2016-17

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-17-nba-expert-predictions-each-teams-win-total-can-warriors-top-73/

http://hcostats.sportsblog.com/posts/21546702/2016-17-nba-predictions--post-free-agency-edition.html

Exactly nobody had them >50 wins, which they are going to cruise past. It's impressive.

[bondom34]

MLB experts projecting the NBA.

NBA Experts had them at 40-45 wins (i've seen as low as 33), which they will approach/pass by the All Star Break.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/10/18/warriors-cavaliers-spurs-clippers-raptors-celtics-nba-record-predictions/92307882/

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17886875/nba-projected-fall-forecast-standings-2016-17

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-17-nba-expert-predictions-each-teams-win-total-can-warriors-top-73/

http://hcostats.sportsblog.com/posts/21546702/2016-17-nba-predictions--post-free-agency-edition.html

Exactly nobody had them >50 wins, which they are going to cruise past. It's impressive.

I know, but the post before that for some reason used someone I've never seen before . Harden is MVP at this point, I just found that funny.

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These were the hot takes we were getting over the summer about Houston. Now the Rockets supporting cast are on par with the 86 Celtics.

"$#"!* eatin grin" Tim didn't know $#!*.

[The High Cyde]

Unless the Rockets go on a losing streak and drop down to the 6th seed or whatever, the MVP is James Harden. Then Westbeast, then LeBron.

LeBron is always a threat to win it, his team is most likely going to win the conference and win about 60 games or so. He'll have the raw stats to back it up too.

Regardless, Harden's season has been special while Westbeasts' has been unprecedented. Pretty cool if you ask me.

[bondom34]

Just a note (and I'm saying this while having Harden as clear MVP) but Westbrook's RPM lead increased, and the ORPM gap shrunk.

Edit: And I really should give Adams more credit offensively after talking with others. I guess I just don't see him as a guy you can tell to go get a basket all on his own, but he's not a liability offensively as some bigs are.

[Lauri_Legend]

Westbrook will be the first player to win the MVP award while he's not Top 2 in his conference.

[K_chile22]

Westbrook will be the first player to win the MVP award while he's not Top 2 in his conference.

That's not true. First guy in awhile, sure. Same for Harden even though they might win 60

[HurricaneKid]

Just a note (and I'm saying this while having Harden as clear MVP) but Westbrook's RPM lead increased, and the ORPM gap shrunk.

Edit: And I really should give Adams more credit offensively after talking with others. I guess I just don't see him as a guy you can tell to go get a basket all on his own, but he's not a liability offensively as some bigs are.

When your argument for MVP as a 7 seed is that your 6th place RPM is higher than the other guy's you are accepting loss. Because the minute you open RPM as a an argument you have given up your case for the MVP. Because 4 guys that are going to have 10+ more wins have higher RPM than he does.

[bondom34]

Just a note (and I'm saying this while having Harden as clear MVP) but Westbrook's RPM lead increased, and the ORPM gap shrunk.

Edit: And I really should give Adams more credit offensively after talking with others. I guess I just don't see him as a guy you can tell to go get a basket all on his own, but he's not a liability offensively as some bigs are.

When your argument for MVP as a 7 seed is that your 6th place RPM is higher than the other guy's you are accepting loss. Because the minute you open RPM as a an argument you have given up your case for the MVP. Because 4 guys that are going to have 10+ more wins have higher RPM than he does.

So you didn't actually read what I wrote. Or ignored the parenthetical and just replied anyway.

Also I was using RPM to compare 2 particular players. Sorry, I thought that was clear. His team is also better than at least 1, possibly 2 ahead (Butler and maybe Giannis). CP has been injured, and Lowry's not in it. Of the 3 main guys, Lebron is just ahead of Westbrook who's just ahead of Harden.

[K_chile22]

Just a note (and I'm saying this while having Harden as clear MVP) but Westbrook's RPM lead increased, and the ORPM gap shrunk.

Edit: And I really should give Adams more credit offensively after talking with others. I guess I just don't see him as a guy you can tell to go get a basket all on his own, but he's not a liability offensively as some bigs are.

Adams, Kanter (who's been awesome offensively in the 10 or so games I've seen), and kinda Oladipo are covered in tire marks from all the busses they've been thrown under

[bondom34]

Just a note (and I'm saying this while having Harden as clear MVP) but Westbrook's RPM lead increased, and the ORPM gap shrunk.

Edit: And I really should give Adams more credit offensively after talking with others. I guess I just don't see him as a guy you can tell to go get a basket all on his own, but he's not a liability offensively as some bigs are.

Adams, Kanter (who's been awesome offensively in the 10 or so games I've seen), and kinda Oladipo are covered in tire marks from all the busses they've been thrown under

They still stink when he's not on court. Houston functions when Harden sits. OKC does not. No bus required. Comparing Gordon/Ariza/Anderson to Adams/Oladipo/Kanter offensively isn't close.

[K_chile22]

Just a note (and I'm saying this while having Harden as clear MVP) but Westbrook's RPM lead increased, and the ORPM gap shrunk.

Edit: And I really should give Adams more credit offensively after talking with others. I guess I just don't see him as a guy you can tell to go get a basket all on his own, but he's not a liability offensively as some bigs are.

Adams, Kanter (who's been awesome offensively in the 10 or so games I've seen), and kinda Oladipo are covered in tire marks from all the busses they've been thrown under

They still stink when he's not on court. Houston functions when Harden sits. OKC does not. No bus required.

OKC doesn't really stagger Adams and Westbrook at all, so it's not really true for him at all.

It's also not like OKC has an awesome offensive rating with Russ on the floor. If he maintained his in court rating for a whole game they would be 8th in offensive rating.

Having Samaj setting those guys up instead of a competent backup point guard shouldn't be a plus for Russ either, should be a minus for Presti

[K_chile22]

Adams and Kanter also help in different ways. Setting good screens and gobbling offensive rebounds helps have a good offense. Shooting isn't the only offensive skill that helps.

[nk657]

I do not know if it has been said, I did not read all comments , however even tho a team's performance plays always a crucial role for the decision of the MVP, this year the sportswriters and sportscasters might vote for Westbrook, wanting to give a crystal clear message to the League and to all the rest of the players who watched Durant's lame escape from Oklahoma.

[bondom34]

Adams, Kanter (who's been awesome offensively in the 10 or so games I've seen), and kinda Oladipo are covered in tire marks from all the busses they've been thrown under

They still stink when he's not on court. Houston functions when Harden sits. OKC does not. No bus required.

OKC doesn't really stagger Adams and Westbrook at all, so it's not really true for him at all.

It's also not like OKC has an awesome offensive rating with Russ on the floor. If he maintained his in court rating for a whole game they would be 8th in offensive rating.

Having Samaj setting those guys up instead of a competent backup point guard shouldn't be a plus for Russ either, should be a minus for Presti

It is only because Payne has been injured the entire year. And these guys have played w/o Russ. Adams played 62 minutes with a TS of 50.

[bondom34]

Adams and Kanter also help in different ways. Setting good screens and gobbling offensive rebounds helps have a good offense. Shooting isn't the only offensive skill that helps.

And yet, when Russ isn't on it doesn't matter. Harden sits and Houston's offense runs just fine.

[K_chile22]

Adams and Kanter also help in different ways. Setting good screens and gobbling offensive rebounds helps have a good offense. Shooting isn't the only offensive skill that helps.

And yet, when Russ isn't on it doesn't matter. Harden sits and Houston's offense runs just fine.

Because the players coming in for him are competent. Don't know why better roster construction should be held against him, and poor roster construction should help Russ.