Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI
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I would Definitely sign Anthony Bennet to the longest minimum deal we can...
I think him and Oubre would be a good combo off the bench...chemistry wise... which may improve his performance
I think him and Oubre would be a good combo off the bench...chemistry wise... which may improve his performance
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deneem4 wrote:I would Definitely sign Anthony Bennet to the longest minimum deal we can...
I think him and Oubre would be a good combo off the bench...chemistry wise... which may improve his performance
I wouldn't. The man got cut from the lowly Brooklyn Nets, a team desperate to acquire young talent with upside. He sucks.
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gambitx777 wrote:nate33 wrote:With $35M a year devoted to the center position, we're not going to trade for Nurkic.
I'd sure as hell rather have him than Mahinmi though.
Well if we find away for move mahinmi, which is doable. more doable than you think. I can see us gearing up for that move by trading for a young center. or trading gortat, same thing.
How is trading Mahinmi doable? (really, I don't know)
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Wonder if Brandon Jennings is available? Would the Knicks do Burke for Jennings? It saves some cash (Jennings makes 2 million more). We'd probably have to toss a 2nd round pick.
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dckingsfan wrote:gambitx777 wrote:nate33 wrote:With $35M a year devoted to the center position, we're not going to trade for Nurkic.
I'd sure as hell rather have him than Mahinmi though.
Well if we find away for move mahinmi, which is doable. more doable than you think. I can see us gearing up for that move by trading for a young center. or trading gortat, same thing.
How is trading Mahinmi doable? (really, I don't know)
We traded gilbert. If you can trade gilbert you can trade any one.
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dckingsfan wrote:gambitx777 wrote:nate33 wrote:With $35M a year devoted to the center position, we're not going to trade for Nurkic.
I'd sure as hell rather have him than Mahinmi though.
Well if we find away for move mahinmi, which is doable. more doable than you think. I can see us gearing up for that move by trading for a young center. or trading gortat, same thing.
How is trading Mahinmi doable? (really, I don't know)
I wonder if the mavs would want him back for bogut? Thatd probably be the best way to get rid of him imo
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dckingsfan wrote:gambitx777 wrote:nate33 wrote:With $35M a year devoted to the center position, we're not going to trade for Nurkic.
I'd sure as hell rather have him than Mahinmi though.
Well if we find away for move mahinmi, which is doable. more doable than you think. I can see us gearing up for that move by trading for a young center. or trading gortat, same thing.
How is trading Mahinmi doable? (really, I don't know)
No I don't think so. Mahinmi has to get healthy and at least play a little before we can consider moving him. Right now all we know is that Mahinmi has two bad wheels and still 3 1/2 years left on his deal.
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For those who saw it, sorry for my erroneous Magic post here. Guess I didn't multi-task too well.
Would the Wizards even consider trading Porter or Oubre? If the answer is "no way, no how, keep your offer away from here", I'll understand. But with both at SF, I thought you might make one available. Porter's next contract's going to cost a bit but Oubre might be the better player long-term, it's always hard to tell.
Looking at your roster, center seems to be a slot you would be interested in and no doubt that Nuggets would trade Nurkic, reluctantly. We would probably have to add a SF and Gallinari or Chandler might be nice. Gallinari's got a player option, Chandler is signed for longer. Barton is a SF/SG and perhaps you'd want him instead. He'd fit into the trade salary-wise.
Nurkic + Barton + Memphis 2017 1st pick for Porter or Oubre
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Would the Wizards even consider trading Porter or Oubre? If the answer is "no way, no how, keep your offer away from here", I'll understand. But with both at SF, I thought you might make one available. Porter's next contract's going to cost a bit but Oubre might be the better player long-term, it's always hard to tell.
Looking at your roster, center seems to be a slot you would be interested in and no doubt that Nuggets would trade Nurkic, reluctantly. We would probably have to add a SF and Gallinari or Chandler might be nice. Gallinari's got a player option, Chandler is signed for longer. Barton is a SF/SG and perhaps you'd want him instead. He'd fit into the trade salary-wise.
Nurkic + Barton + Memphis 2017 1st pick for Porter or Oubre
Be gentle on me, I'm very sensitive
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deneem4 wrote:I would Definitely sign Anthony Bennet to the longest minimum deal we can...
I think him and Oubre would be a good combo off the bench...chemistry wise... which may improve his performance
He wasn't even good enough to stick on the Nets roster - probably the least talented roster in the NBA. He was having his best season, though. I'd certainly take him over House - kinda bizarre that the Wiz guaranteed House.
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NuggetsWY wrote:For those who saw it, sorry for my erroneous Magic post here. Guess I didn't multi-task too well.![]()
Would the Wizards even consider trading Porter or Oubre? If the answer is "no way, no how, keep your offer away from here", I'll understand. But with both at SF, I thought you might make one available. Porter's next contract's going to cost a bit but Oubre might be the better player long-term, it's always hard to tell.
Looking at your roster, center seems to be a slot you would be interested in and no doubt that Nuggets would trade Nurkic, reluctantly. We would probably have to add a SF and Gallinari or Chandler might be nice. Gallinari's got a player option, Chandler is signed for longer. Barton is a SF/SG and perhaps you'd want him instead. He'd fit into the trade salary-wise.
Nurkic + Barton + Memphis 2017 1st pick for Porter or Oubre
Be gentle on me, I'm very sensitive
I would really take a good look at that deal for Oubre. I like Nurkic's upside, and Barton is a guy who's been long-coveted on the Wiz forums. Though we kind of need to see how Mahinmi looks before making a play for another center, which will be tough bc his return isn't slated until right before the deadline.
Might be in the minority, but I would also do something based around Chandler + ___ for Porter. I've brought that up on here before. I don't think the FO will trade Otto though.
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NuggetsWY wrote:For those who saw it, sorry for my erroneous Magic post here. Guess I didn't multi-task too well.![]()
Would the Wizards even consider trading Porter or Oubre? If the answer is "no way, no how, keep your offer away from here", I'll understand. But with both at SF, I thought you might make one available. Porter's next contract's going to cost a bit but Oubre might be the better player long-term, it's always hard to tell.
Looking at your roster, center seems to be a slot you would be interested in and no doubt that Nuggets would trade Nurkic, reluctantly. We would probably have to add a SF and Gallinari or Chandler might be nice. Gallinari's got a player option, Chandler is signed for longer. Barton is a SF/SG and perhaps you'd want him instead. He'd fit into the trade salary-wise.
Nurkic + Barton + Memphis 2017 1st pick for Porter or Oubre
Be gentle on me, I'm very sensitive
Don't think it's bad at all. It's certainly worth looking at more closely.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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NuggetsWY wrote:For those who saw it, sorry for my erroneous Magic post here. Guess I didn't multi-task too well.![]()
Would the Wizards even consider trading Porter or Oubre? If the answer is "no way, no how, keep your offer away from here", I'll understand. But with both at SF, I thought you might make one available. Porter's next contract's going to cost a bit but Oubre might be the better player long-term, it's always hard to tell.
Looking at your roster, center seems to be a slot you would be interested in and no doubt that Nuggets would trade Nurkic, reluctantly. We would probably have to add a SF and Gallinari or Chandler might be nice. Gallinari's got a player option, Chandler is signed for longer. Barton is a SF/SG and perhaps you'd want him instead. He'd fit into the trade salary-wise.
Nurkic + Barton + Memphis 2017 1st pick for Porter or Oubre
Be gentle on me, I'm very sensitive
Talent-wise, it's usually a bad idea to trade one good NBA player for multiple lesser players, which describes this deal. On the other hand, we have to figure out the best option for Porter. He'll get a big contract , and if we sign him, we'll have spent most of our money, and still won't be much better than a .500 team. If a much cheaper Oubre is an equivalent talent than it makes sense to get the most you can for Porter in a trade, and have money to spend.
Putting aside the talent issue, there are a few problems with the trade:
Wizards won't have a backup SF. At 6.6 175 lbs, Barton seems to light.
Wizards will have too many centers if Mahinmi can play. Gortat, Mahinmi, Nurkic, Smith. Someone has to go.
Nuggets won't have backup C.
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The fact that Porter is about to land a big contract is not a consideration for me. ALL good players are either on a big fat contract already, or will be given a big fat contract in the next year or two. It is what it is.
The bottom line is that Porter is way better than Nurkic, Barton or a late 1st round pick. You don't trade quality for quantity. Porter is really, really good. All the advanced metrics have him as the 6th best SF in the league behind the "Big Five" of Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, Butler and Greek Freak. (Those "Big Five" players are top 12 overall players in the league.) Given the fact that Porter is still very young, an extremely hard worker, and hasn't even fully filled out his frame, I'm expecting further improvement going forward. He is easily the 2nd best asset on the team behind Wall. I don't anticipate a trade scenario that would convince me to give him up.
Oubre is a different story. He has tremendous potential, but there is no where near as much certainty that he will be as good as Porter. Also, Oubre projects to be a good player far enough down the road that Gortat will be entering his decline, so the timing isn't great. There is some logic to trading him for win-now prospects that balance out our roster. That said, I'm not exactly looking for such a deal. I'm totally comfortable with having both Oubre and Porter on the roster for a long, long time because I believe that by the time Oubre is ready for 36 minutes a game at SF, Porter will be capable of playing PF for 24 minutes a game, so there will be no overlap.
The bottom line is that Porter is way better than Nurkic, Barton or a late 1st round pick. You don't trade quality for quantity. Porter is really, really good. All the advanced metrics have him as the 6th best SF in the league behind the "Big Five" of Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, Butler and Greek Freak. (Those "Big Five" players are top 12 overall players in the league.) Given the fact that Porter is still very young, an extremely hard worker, and hasn't even fully filled out his frame, I'm expecting further improvement going forward. He is easily the 2nd best asset on the team behind Wall. I don't anticipate a trade scenario that would convince me to give him up.
Oubre is a different story. He has tremendous potential, but there is no where near as much certainty that he will be as good as Porter. Also, Oubre projects to be a good player far enough down the road that Gortat will be entering his decline, so the timing isn't great. There is some logic to trading him for win-now prospects that balance out our roster. That said, I'm not exactly looking for such a deal. I'm totally comfortable with having both Oubre and Porter on the roster for a long, long time because I believe that by the time Oubre is ready for 36 minutes a game at SF, Porter will be capable of playing PF for 24 minutes a game, so there will be no overlap.
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NuggetsWY wrote:For those who saw it, sorry for my erroneous Magic post here. Guess I didn't multi-task too well.![]()
Would the Wizards even consider trading Porter or Oubre? If the answer is "no way, no how, keep your offer away from here", I'll understand. But with both at SF, I thought you might make one available. Porter's next contract's going to cost a bit but Oubre might be the better player long-term, it's always hard to tell.
Looking at your roster, center seems to be a slot you would be interested in and no doubt that Nuggets would trade Nurkic, reluctantly. We would probably have to add a SF and Gallinari or Chandler might be nice. Gallinari's got a player option, Chandler is signed for longer. Barton is a SF/SG and perhaps you'd want him instead. He'd fit into the trade salary-wise.
Nurkic + Barton + Memphis 2017 1st pick for Porter or Oubre
Be gentle on me, I'm very sensitive
Yes.
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I have no interest in trading Porter, not just because he is good but also because of how well he complements Wall. He plays very well off the ball. A lot of players are ineffective off the ball.
I would be more willing to deal Oubre.
I would be more willing to deal Oubre.
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tontoz wrote:I have no interest in trading Porter, not just because he is good but also because of how well he complements Wall. He plays very well off the ball. A lot of players are ineffective off the ball.
I would be more willing to deal Oubre.
Oubre costs us like 2-3 million for the next 3 years, I'm not moving either of them. My move is OTTO to the power forward position.
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Oubre has the most room for improvement on the roster. His ceiling is still high.
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I wouldn't trade Porter, but that package for Oubre is a definite yes for me. Nurkic is good, and we'd get 2 bites on mid first round talent in this draft. I'd look to trade Gortat for a 3 or 4 and play Nurkic all he can handle now.
Making extreme statements like "only" sounds like there are "no" Jokics in this draft? Jokic is an engine that was drafted in the 2nd round. Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft.
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NuggetsWY wrote:For those who saw it, sorry for my erroneous Magic post here. Guess I didn't multi-task too well.![]()
Would the Wizards even consider trading Porter or Oubre? If the answer is "no way, no how, keep your offer away from here", I'll understand. But with both at SF, I thought you might make one available. Porter's next contract's going to cost a bit but Oubre might be the better player long-term, it's always hard to tell.
Looking at your roster, center seems to be a slot you would be interested in and no doubt that Nuggets would trade Nurkic, reluctantly. We would probably have to add a SF and Gallinari or Chandler might be nice. Gallinari's got a player option, Chandler is signed for longer. Barton is a SF/SG and perhaps you'd want him instead. He'd fit into the trade salary-wise.
Nurkic + Barton + Memphis 2017 1st pick for Porter or Oubre
Be gentle on me, I'm very sensitive
I'd probably do Oubre for that package. I'd really hate to lose Oubre, but a decent young center is a big need for this team and Nurkic has solid potential. All he has to do is fix his turnover problem and he would be a rotation quality big right now. Barton and the pick go a long way to help make the loss of Oubre more palatable
If Nurkic does improve that gives the Wiz the ability to move Mahinmi or Gortat in the future.
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Here is what I would do with denver
Wiz get : Faraid, Nelson, Barton, nurkic.
Denver gets: 2017 first 2019 first 2017 second 2018 second. Mahinmi, nicholson and burke.
Maybe you can get away with one first obviously you offer the 2019 pick first and see if they bite, then offer just the 2017 first don't give both unless you have too.
But this fixes the bench.
nelson is a serviceable cheap back up vet, Faraid cant start with wall, who he would play well with and we can move morris to the bench where he would probably fit in better with. Or fairad can play off the bench. Barton is the back up wing we need. he plays hard, he is a home town boy, good character dude, shoots well, good athlete. Nurkic is a talented young big. Also we dump that mahinmi deal and the nicholson deal. and we never have to see bruke play again. yes the picks are pricy but lets face it. we never make much of seconds and if hate giving up 1 or 2 firsts but for what this deal does for us its almost worth it. It makes us better, much better, and we get rid of two bad deals that we should never have signed in the first place.
Wiz get : Faraid, Nelson, Barton, nurkic.
Denver gets: 2017 first 2019 first 2017 second 2018 second. Mahinmi, nicholson and burke.
Maybe you can get away with one first obviously you offer the 2019 pick first and see if they bite, then offer just the 2017 first don't give both unless you have too.
But this fixes the bench.
nelson is a serviceable cheap back up vet, Faraid cant start with wall, who he would play well with and we can move morris to the bench where he would probably fit in better with. Or fairad can play off the bench. Barton is the back up wing we need. he plays hard, he is a home town boy, good character dude, shoots well, good athlete. Nurkic is a talented young big. Also we dump that mahinmi deal and the nicholson deal. and we never have to see bruke play again. yes the picks are pricy but lets face it. we never make much of seconds and if hate giving up 1 or 2 firsts but for what this deal does for us its almost worth it. It makes us better, much better, and we get rid of two bad deals that we should never have signed in the first place.











