Trade Value - Lillard & CJ individually

[aemannarwal]

If the blazers decide to move one of them, whom do you think should they target?

[PDX MM]

Again unless Lillard asked to be traded he isn't going anywhere. As for CJ I see him as a borderline allstar so that is what I would expect to get back, preferably a big who can protect the rim and grab some rebounds. While I think it is unlikely but we could also target a high draft pick due to our cap issues but I would be very disappointed if we went that route. IF we do trade CJ I don't see it happening until the offseason.

[mlloyd10]

Dont Know if Blazers would be interested in this

CJ/Davis/Aminu for Nurkic/Gallinari/Murray

[Djh7475]

High draft pick isn't going to happen. Top of the draft is loaded with cheap elite guard and wing prospects. I can't imagine those teams would want to sacrifice 4 years and a decade of team control for a guy making as much as CJ does when most of those teams are garbage. Then would the Trailblazers want to draft another PG or a wing when they have their cap space tied up almost entirely in those 2 positions?

What about a deal like Hood, Favors, and Exum or Lyles? Favors is undervalued like crazy right now and Hood is a much better fit next to Lillard. Pick up another young cheap asset as well. Favors and Hood could make a world of difference for yalls defense. The deal also keeps with the Trailblazers timeline and helps the cap situation a little bit short term until one of the wings can be moved. Could maybe even get Utah to throw in a pick since McCollum is the perfect fit over there. Seems like good value and fit from a non biased observer. I don't see Lillard and CJ ever being a contending backcourt since they are both best on the ball and give up way too much on the defensive end.

[Kevin6CD]

High draft pick isn't going to happen. Top of the draft is loaded with cheap elite guard and wing prospects. I can't imagine those teams would want to sacrifice 4 years and a decade of team control for a guy making as much as CJ does when most of those teams are garbage. Then would the Trailblazers want to draft another PG or a wing when they have their cap space tied up almost entirely in those 2 positions?

What about a deal like Hood, Favors, and Exum or Lyles? Favors is undervalued like crazy right now and Hood is a much better fit next to Lillard. Pick up another young cheap asset as well. Favors and Hood could make a world of difference for yalls defense. The deal also keeps with the Trailblazers timeline and helps the cap situation a little bit short term until one of the wings can be moved. Could maybe even get Utah to throw in a pick since McCollum is the perfect fit over there. Seems like good value and fit from a non biased observer. I don't see Lillard and CJ ever being a contending backcourt since they are both best on the ball and give up way too much on the defensive end.

Jazz fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but Hood, Favors, Lyles/Exum seems like an awful lot to give up for McCollum.

[Blazer50]

High draft pick isn't going to happen. Top of the draft is loaded with cheap elite guard and wing prospects. I can't imagine those teams would want to sacrifice 4 years and a decade of team control for a guy making as much as CJ does when most of those teams are garbage. Then would the Trailblazers want to draft another PG or a wing when they have their cap space tied up almost entirely in those 2 positions?

What about a deal like Hood, Favors, and Exum or Lyles? Favors is undervalued like crazy right now and Hood is a much better fit next to Lillard. Pick up another young cheap asset as well. Favors and Hood could make a world of difference for yalls defense. The deal also keeps with the Trailblazers timeline and helps the cap situation a little bit short term until one of the wings can be moved. Could maybe even get Utah to throw in a pick since McCollum is the perfect fit over there. Seems like good value and fit from a non biased observer. I don't see Lillard and CJ ever being a contending backcourt since they are both best on the ball and give up way too much on the defensive end.

Jazz fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but Hood, Favors, Lyles/Exum seems like an awful lot to give up for McCollum.

Love CJ - but how could you say No to this offer. I don't think it happens since there has been no love lost between these 2 teams since before the Blazers got Wes Matthews with an offer Utah could not match. But it's fun to dream - Hood / Favors and Lyle would be a great trio for CJ. (Would prefer to get the rim protector and keep CJ and Lillard who can win together).

[AingesBurner]

High draft pick isn't going to happen. Top of the draft is loaded with cheap elite guard and wing prospects. I can't imagine those teams would want to sacrifice 4 years and a decade of team control for a guy making as much as CJ does when most of those teams are garbage. Then would the Trailblazers want to draft another PG or a wing when they have their cap space tied up almost entirely in those 2 positions?

What about a deal like Hood, Favors, and Exum or Lyles? Favors is undervalued like crazy right now and Hood is a much better fit next to Lillard. Pick up another young cheap asset as well. Favors and Hood could make a world of difference for yalls defense. The deal also keeps with the Trailblazers timeline and helps the cap situation a little bit short term until one of the wings can be moved. Could maybe even get Utah to throw in a pick since McCollum is the perfect fit over there. Seems like good value and fit from a non biased observer. I don't see Lillard and CJ ever being a contending backcourt since they are both best on the ball and give up way too much on the defensive end.

Jazz fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but Hood, Favors, Lyles/Exum seems like an awful lot to give up for McCollum.

Hahaha yep, Favors and Hood should do it.

[Kevin6CD]

High draft pick isn't going to happen. Top of the draft is loaded with cheap elite guard and wing prospects. I can't imagine those teams would want to sacrifice 4 years and a decade of team control for a guy making as much as CJ does when most of those teams are garbage. Then would the Trailblazers want to draft another PG or a wing when they have their cap space tied up almost entirely in those 2 positions?

What about a deal like Hood, Favors, and Exum or Lyles? Favors is undervalued like crazy right now and Hood is a much better fit next to Lillard. Pick up another young cheap asset as well. Favors and Hood could make a world of difference for yalls defense. The deal also keeps with the Trailblazers timeline and helps the cap situation a little bit short term until one of the wings can be moved. Could maybe even get Utah to throw in a pick since McCollum is the perfect fit over there. Seems like good value and fit from a non biased observer. I don't see Lillard and CJ ever being a contending backcourt since they are both best on the ball and give up way too much on the defensive end.

Jazz fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but Hood, Favors, Lyles/Exum seems like an awful lot to give up for McCollum.

Love CJ - but how could you say No to this offer. I don't think it happens since there has been no love lost between these 2 teams since before the Blazers got Wes Matthews with an offer Utah could not match. But it's fun to dream - Hood / Favors and Lyle would be a great trio for CJ. (Would prefer to get the rim protector and keep CJ and Lillard who can win together).

Yeah, definitely, CJ for Favors, Hood and Lyles would be a no-brainer for Portland.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

High draft pick isn't going to happen. Top of the draft is loaded with cheap elite guard and wing prospects. I can't imagine those teams would want to sacrifice 4 years and a decade of team control for a guy making as much as CJ does when most of those teams are garbage. Then would the Trailblazers want to draft another PG or a wing when they have their cap space tied up almost entirely in those 2 positions?

What about a deal like Hood, Favors, and Exum or Lyles? Favors is undervalued like crazy right now and Hood is a much better fit next to Lillard. Pick up another young cheap asset as well. Favors and Hood could make a world of difference for yalls defense. The deal also keeps with the Trailblazers timeline and helps the cap situation a little bit short term until one of the wings can be moved. Could maybe even get Utah to throw in a pick since McCollum is the perfect fit over there. Seems like good value and fit from a non biased observer. I don't see Lillard and CJ ever being a contending backcourt since they are both best on the ball and give up way too much on the defensive end.

Jazz fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but Hood, Favors, Lyles/Exum seems like an awful lot to give up for McCollum.

Hahaha yep, Favors and Hood should do it.

CJ's PPP becomes a major issue though. Portland can only take back ~4 million in salary if CJ is all we send out. Portland can add Ezeli pretty easily, but then CJ+Ezeli count as ~29.4 million incoming. Favors+Hood+13.6 million in capspace only adds up to ~26.05 million, but because you used capspace you cannot also take advantage of the 125% rule, so $26.05 million is the maximum you can take back.

Basically the trade would need to be expanded to include other players or a 3rd team. If we could find someone to take on Ezeli for free that would be excellent, but its probably going to cost one of us a pick, diminishing the value for someone.

[AingesBurner]

Jazz fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but Hood, Favors, Lyles/Exum seems like an awful lot to give up for McCollum.

Hahaha yep, Favors and Hood should do it.

CJ's PPP becomes a major issue though. Portland can only take back ~4 million in salary if CJ is all we send out. Portland can add Ezeli pretty easily, but then CJ+Ezeli count as ~29.4 million incoming. Favors+Hood+13.6 million in capspace only adds up to ~26.05 million, but because you used capspace you cannot also take advantage of the 125% rule, so $26.05 million is the maximum you can take back.

Basically the trade would need to be expanded to include other players or a 3rd team. If we could find someone to take on Ezeli for free that would be excellent, but its probably going to cost one of us a pick, diminishing the value for someone.

Im pretty sure I have pushed a Favors and Hood for CJ through on the trade machine.

[rugbyrugger23]

I liked this deal before Winslow got injured. Completed after Bosh medically waived...

To Kings: Dragic + Leonard + McRoberts

To Heat: CJ + Afflalo + Tolliver + Cavs 2017 Unprotected via Blazers

To Blazers: Winslow + WCS + Heat 2017 Top 3 Protected

Kings rumored to be ok with Dragic and his contract as an upgrade over Collison. They keep both and even play some minutes together. Also gets couple stretch 4's next to Cousins.

Heat trade all their youth and what is now a top 5 pick, for a duo of CJ and Whiteside. Riley gets cap to see who he can recruit to South Beach and make his big 3.

Blazers take the long play here. Rest of 2017 is to find out who is true core player next to Lillard. Who doesn't fit, they now have true assets to attach to them (looking at you Turner) and jettison for cap or player to be named later (consolidation trade). Heat 1st even with CJ on roster is lock top 10, Winslow and WCS are defensive as needed.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Hahaha yep, Favors and Hood should do it.

CJ's PPP becomes a major issue though. Portland can only take back ~4 million in salary if CJ is all we send out. Portland can add Ezeli pretty easily, but then CJ+Ezeli count as ~29.4 million incoming. Favors+Hood+13.6 million in capspace only adds up to ~26.05 million, but because you used capspace you cannot also take advantage of the 125% rule, so $26.05 million is the maximum you can take back.

Basically the trade would need to be expanded to include other players or a 3rd team. If we could find someone to take on Ezeli for free that would be excellent, but its probably going to cost one of us a pick, diminishing the value for someone.

Im pretty sure I have pushed a Favors and Hood for CJ through on the trade machine.

If you add a number of other not-insignificant players it could.

For example, an expanded trade of CJ, Davis, Ezeli, Vonleh, Connaughton for Favors, Hood, Burkes, Lyles, Withey works and brings you guys right to the cap... But I imagine that is less exciting for you guys.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I liked this deal before Winslow got injured. Completed after Bosh medically waived...

To Kings: Dragic + Leonard + McRoberts

To Heat: CJ + Afflalo + Tolliver + Cavs 2017 Unprotected via Blazers

To Blazers: Winslow + WCS + Heat 2017 Top 3 Protected

Kings rumored to be ok with Dragic and his contract as an upgrade over Collison. They keep both and even play some minutes together. Also gets couple stretch 4's next to Cousins.

Heat trade all their youth and what is now a top 5 pick, for a duo of CJ and Whiteside. Riley gets cap to see who he can recruit to South Beach and make his big 3.

Blazers take the long play here. Rest of 2017 is to find out who is true core player next to Lillard. Who doesn't fit, they now have true assets to attach to them (looking at you Turner) and jettison for cap or player to be named later (consolidation trade). Heat 1st even with CJ on roster is lock top 10, Winslow and WCS are defensive as needed.

No, this is not the direction the Blazers are going to go.

[AingesBurner]

CJ's PPP becomes a major issue though. Portland can only take back ~4 million in salary if CJ is all we send out. Portland can add Ezeli pretty easily, but then CJ+Ezeli count as ~29.4 million incoming. Favors+Hood+13.6 million in capspace only adds up to ~26.05 million, but because you used capspace you cannot also take advantage of the 125% rule, so $26.05 million is the maximum you can take back.

Basically the trade would need to be expanded to include other players or a 3rd team. If we could find someone to take on Ezeli for free that would be excellent, but its probably going to cost one of us a pick, diminishing the value for someone.

Im pretty sure I have pushed a Favors and Hood for CJ through on the trade machine.

If you add a number of other not-insignificant players it could.

For example, an expanded trade of CJ, Davis, Ezeli, Vonleh, Connaughton for Favors, Hood, Burkes, Lyles, Withey works and brings you guys right to the cap... But I imagine that is less exciting for you guys.

Yep, I feel the Jazz are sending too much value and the Blazers will feel the same way.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Im pretty sure I have pushed a Favors and Hood for CJ through on the trade machine.

If you add a number of other not-insignificant players it could.

For example, an expanded trade of CJ, Davis, Ezeli, Vonleh, Connaughton for Favors, Hood, Burkes, Lyles, Withey works and brings you guys right to the cap... But I imagine that is less exciting for you guys.

Yep, I feel the Jazz are sending too much value and the Blazers will feel the same way.

Hm, by going up to a 12 player swap, I could cut Lyles and Withey, maybe that's a little better?

Favors, Burkes, Hood, Ingles, Neto, Bolomboy
for
McCollum, Davis, Ezeli, Vonleh, Connaughton, Quarterman

As I said though, CJ's PPP makes this a very difficult trade to execute fairly.

[bulliedog8]

CJ McCullom for Nerlens and the Lakers pick

[Dame Lizard]

Dont Know if Blazers would be interested in this

CJ/Davis/Aminu for Nurkic/Gallinari/Murray

I'd rather us keep the high end asset in CJ, than trade for a few good assets like in that package.

[MotownMadness]

I like CJ better, of course my opinion is strongly based off of the double OT game we just had with them. CJ was a beast and one of the most cold blooded scorers I've seen a while.

[Tim Lehrbach]

CJ McCullom for Nerlens and the Lakers pick

This has consistently elicited refusal from both sides.

[Case2012]

Three team trade with Miami and Boston in the offseason.

Portland trades CJ + Vonleh + Crabbe and the Cleveland pick For Bradley and Whiteside

Boston trades Bradley, filler and the Brooklyn Picks for CJ.

Miami Trades Whiteside for Crabbe, Vonleh, the Cleveland Pick, and the Brooklyn Picks. Miami could move Dragic for another first round pick to reload quick in a deep draft. They clear their expensive vets for a high upside borderline starter in Crabbe and a prospect in Vonleh, while also securing at least 2 of Brooklyn's picks, and a late first from Cleveland. With their own pick, that gives them 2 top 10 picks, plus a late first in this deep draft plus another future top pick. That seems like good value for Whiteside based on the trades I've seen floated around here.

Boston cashes in on their picks and grab another rising star in CJ, who can play SG next to Thomas to form the best scoring guard duo on the east coast, or they could move Thomas in a separate deal and let CJ run the team. Also gives them a big 3 of Horford, CJ and Thomas if they stick with that backcourt. The Defense of Crowder, Horford, and Johnson should help make up for the defensive woes of the backcourt. Ainge has been trying to deal those picks forever and they want to contend now ( I know they're playing really well right now too, but CJ is probably the best they're going to do with those assets unless they can grab PG13). They could also hope they can land Hayward in the offseason, but that's not a certainty by any means.

Portland puts a legit 3 and D SG next to Lillard to make up for his defense, while also getting their rim protector in Whiteside, clearing Crabbe and selling high on Vonleh. Trading CJ hurts but it also sells high on him and gives the team a more well rounded defense without trading too much offense.

Boston:

Thomas
CJ
Crowder
Horford
Amir

Portland:

Lillard
Bradley
Harkless
Aminu
Whiteside

Miami:

(One of the top PG's in the draft with either their pick or Brooklyn's picks.)
Crabbe
Winslow
(PF drafted with their own pick or Brooklyn's)
(Draft Jeane or another center with a late first from Cleveland)

I haven't proposed a trade in a long time so it's probably terrible value, just not sure for who... I Originally had Lillard in this trade but swapped him with CJ because I wasn't sure if the expiring contract of Bradley (could leave for nothing after next season) and Whiteside (attitude and motor questions? ) for a proven and loyal superstar in LIllard was fair value, especially since we're not getting any picks back and actually sending one out. CJ puts up 24, 4 and 4 a game on HIGH efficiency as the secondary scorer. He would definitely be an All star on the east coast I think. Miami get a starter, a prospect and multiple high picks to rebuild. Boston gets that third star Ainge has been obsessed with getting since his original big three.