OT: soccer thread

Post #1461 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:38 pm

jurgen is good at some stuff, but he isn't a very good in-game or tactics coach. found/developed some good young players in his time, so i think that is more of his thing.

we have never won vs costa rica in costa rica, so the result isn't that surprising but the way it happened is.

need to find the future keeper, Howard is done probably and Guzan sucks. maybe one of the MLS guys steps up or horvath

Flip Murray · Post #1462 » by **Flip Murray** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:46 pm

Bradley can go as well. Hasn't been good in years

Post #1463 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:26 pm

any ideas for who the new coach should be? who would you hire?

predators · Post #1464 » by **predators** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:31 pm

JDR720 wrote:any ideas for who the new coach should be? who would you hire?

I'm not going to lose any sleep if Jurgen gets canned because has some WTF moments like trying to play 3 men in the back, but I still think its mostly our Jimmy's and Joe's rather than coaching that's holding us back. I don't think we have the talent to do much better than what we have the last few years. Replacing some mediocre parts with other mediocre parts that haven't proven to be mediocre isn't going to drastically change our results. He had the team rolling running up to the 2014 cup, and he stuck with Wood even when he wasn't doing anything with his club.

The loss to Mexico at home is a bigger deal than losing to CR in San Jose. The U.S. gets taken to the woodshed every time in we play a WCQ in Costa Rica no matter who the coach is.

I still think the Bill Hamid is the future GK assuming he stays healthy. I still cross my fingers that Juan Agudelo and Freddy Adu break out though.

Post #1465 » by **JDR720** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:15 pm

predators wrote:
JDR720 wrote:any ideas for who the new coach should be? who would you hire?

I'm not going to lose any sleep if Jurgen gets canned because has some WTF moments like trying to play 3 men in the back, but I still think its mostly our Jimmy's and Joe's rather than coaching that's holding us back. I don't think we have the talent to do much better than what we have the last few years. Replacing some mediocre parts with other mediocre parts that haven't proven to be mediocre isn't going to drastically change our results. He had the team rolling running up to the 2014 cup, and he stuck with Wood even when he wasn't doing anything with his club.

The loss to Mexico at home is a bigger deal than losing to CR in San Jose. The U.S. gets taken to the woodshed every time in we play a WCQ in Costa Rica no matter who the coach is.

I still think the Bill Hamid is the future GK assuming he stays healthy. I still cross my fingers that Juan Agudelo and Freddy Adu break out though.

i agree that the team doesn't have that much talent. we are in a weird in between stage from the young guys (lets say u-23) and the old guys (30+) we dont have much of anything in the 24-28 range besides maybe 3 guys so we will probably see things get worse before they get better.

if you take the concacaf teams and rank the top 20 players, we probably dont have but one or two in there. lots of mexico players and 2-3 costa rica players. maybe one from jamaica too (who would easily be the best team if they could just get some of the english/jamaican players to play for them).

predators · Post #1466 » by **predators** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:39 pm

JDR720 wrote:
predators wrote:
JDR720 wrote:any ideas for who the new coach should be? who would you hire?

I'm not going to lose any sleep if Jurgen gets canned because has some WTF moments like trying to play 3 men in the back, but I still think its mostly our Jimmy's and Joe's rather than coaching that's holding us back. I don't think we have the talent to do much better than what we have the last few years. Replacing some mediocre parts with other mediocre parts that haven't proven to be mediocre isn't going to drastically change our results. He had the team rolling running up to the 2014 cup, and he stuck with Wood even when he wasn't doing anything with his club.

The loss to Mexico at home is a bigger deal than losing to CR in San Jose. The U.S. gets taken to the woodshed every time in we play a WCQ in Costa Rica no matter who the coach is.

I still think the Bill Hamid is the future GK assuming he stays healthy. I still cross my fingers that Juan Agudelo and Freddy Adu break out though.

i agree that the team doesn't have that much talent. we are in a weird in between stage from the young guys (lets say u-23) and the old guys (30+) we dont have much of anything in the 24-28 range besides maybe 3 guys so we will probably see things get worse before they get better.

if you take the concacaf teams and rank the top 20 players, we probably dont have but one or two in there. lots of mexico players and 2-3 costa rica players. maybe one from jamaica too (who would easily be the best team if they could just get some of the english/jamaican players to play for them).

Yeah, I put most of my I hope in the further development of the U.S.'s academy system. Pulisic didn't step foot in Germany till he was 17 and was getting 1st team action a year later. MLS needs to take the next step with their coaching so kids that don't have a Euro passport can get Grade A coaching for the U.S. to be any good.

I'd say Brooks\Johnson and maybe Cameron are the only real locks to be in the top 20 concacaf players. I'm not sure bradley is there anymore.

Post #1467 » by **JDR720** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:27 pm

Jeff Carlisle ‏@JeffreyCarlisle 5m5 minutes ago

I'm told that negotiations are ongoing with Klinsmann's successor. All signs pointing to Arena. #usmnt

Post #1468 » by **JDR720** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:37 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #1469 » by **JDR720** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:39 pm

happy with the news. but dont want arena.

would much rather get someone younger or at least someone that we haven't had before.

Post #1470 » by **fatlever** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:51 pm

I really didn't expect anything to happen. Arena at least has a very good feel of the current pool of players. Maybe he can be a stop gap until 2018 and then we can look for a young, up-and-coming option.

euphorbus · Post #1471 » by **euphorbus** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:24 pm

I have been rethinking what I saw against Costa Rica. Often, the first thing that comes to mind when I see an inexplicably lazy effort, such as from Gonzales and Brooks on the first goal, I wonder if someone was paid off. Instead, I think the U. S. players deliberately held back in order to get their coach fired.

It worked.

predators · Post #1472 » by **predators** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:15 pm

euphorbus wrote:I have been rethinking what I saw against Costa Rica. Often, the first thing that comes to mind when I see an inexplicably lazy effort, such as from Gonzales and Brooks on the first goal, I wonder if someone was paid off. Instead, I think the U. S. players deliberately held back in order to get their coach fired.

It worked.

2014 WCQ - lost 3-1 in CR
2010 WCQ - lost 3-1 in CR
2006 WCQ - lost 3-0 in CR
2002 WCQ - lost 2-0 in CR
1998 WCQ - lost 3-2 in CR
94 WC Was held in the U.S. so we didn't have to qualify. (CR didn't make the final round so we would have avoided our annual beat down anway)
1990 - WCQ - Lost 1-0 in CR

The U.S. has literally never gotten a point in Costa Rica in the Modern era. People vastly underestimate the difficulty of going on the road in Concacaf; while these teams aren't full of studs they are still full of guys who play professionally even if it is in their small domestic leagues. Bad fields, sketchy calls, hostile conditions all around.

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I'm lukewarm about Arena.

Eoghan · Post #1473 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:03 am

Alright, retread hire! This would be like firing Clifford to rehire Larry Brown.

Post #1474 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:00 pm

he is just a placeholder for the world cup. someone else we be hired then.

Post #1475 » by **JDR720** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:00 pm

chelsea selling oscar to china? isnt he your fav player fats?

Post #1476 » by **fatlever** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:18 pm

JDR720 wrote:chelsea selling oscar to china? isnt he your fav player fats?

I was just posting about this in the Chelsea thread. Yeah, Oscar has always been one of my favorites, although, really my favorite players are usually just the guys who are either playing the best or still seem to have some untapped upside. Oscar has pretty much plateaued the last few years and he's been barely playing in the new 3-4-3 formation. We have Fabregas and Chalobah who also can fill the same position as Oscar who are also not playing much. For the money being talked about, Chelsea would be crazy not to sell. It's just a bit sad to see a player as good as Oscar at his age (25), basically spend the rest of his prime hidden in China. But, I get it, he'll get PAID.

My current favorite Chelsea player is Chalobah. I also have a serious soft spot for Victor Moses, who I've been begging to keep around the last few years as he was loaned out time and time again. And who doesn't love David Luiz? That Hazard dude is pretty awesome as well, but I've never really had a place in my heart for him like many others, probably because I always assumed he had one foot out the door headed to Real Madrid.

Post #1477 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:05 pm

Really disappointed about FIFA changing the world cup to 48 teams. That makes the 2 years of WCQ games for the US basically pointless.

Pros and Cons
http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/01/10/fifa-world-cup-expansion-48-teams-2026-gianni-infantino?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

LamarMatic7 · Post #1478 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:33 pm

fatlever wrote:Really disappointed about FIFA changing the world cup to 48 teams. That makes the 2 years of WCQ games for the US basically pointless.

Pros and Cons
http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/01/10/fifa-world-cup-expansion-48-teams-2026-gianni-infantino?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

yeah. it really takes the thrill out of qualifications, which has been too high of a barrier for many great teams in the past.

I suppose there is a possibility that due to globalization there is a higher amount of teams that can play at the World Cup level. 32 in the 2020s isn't what 32 used to be in 1998. However, it seems like just another product of sports becoming too commercial. I just cannot imagine that "more games = more revenue" isn't the main reasoning behind this from FIFA.

Post #1479 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:55 pm

http://www.espncharlotte.net/what-will-it-take-for-mls-to-charlotte-to-become-a-reality/

I am so anti turf for soccer that I'd almost rather not have a Charlotte MLS team if it meant the team had to play on turf.

Post #1480 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:15 pm

I don't think charlotte has much of a shot at a mls team. Bigger markets and a few teams are already really close.

Just 5 spots open assuming Miami gets in.

Ok, now my weird pro\ref idea.

28 "mls 1" teams and about 20 "mls 2" teams. These teams are technically in the same league but with the top division getting a bigger piece of the money and the supporter shield, mls cup and champ league spots.

The pro\ref people kinda get what they want and the mls gets more money