Noel's Trade Value is at its Highest Now

[OFWGKTA]

Celtics fan here, what do you guys think of the following deal?

Crowder, Rozier, 19 Memphis pick

for

Noel, Covington

[Negrodamus]

Celtics fan here, what do you guys think of the following deal?

Crowder, Rozier, 19 Memphis pick

for

Noel, Covington

I only take pause at this deal because Memphis could blow in 2019. Otherwise, purely on ability, I value our individuals both more highly than Rozier and Crowder.

[Sixerscan]

I'd do that with smart instead of rozier. Crowders contract is awesome.

[hookshot199]

Celtics fan here, what do you guys think of the following deal?

Crowder, Rozier, 19 Memphis pick

for

Noel, Covington

How about for Okafor for Memphis 19 and Boston 18? I like Crowder, but
we get two good picks in this draft; don't need Rozier. He's yours - forever.

[OFWGKTA]

Celtics fan here, what do you guys think of the following deal?

Crowder, Rozier, 19 Memphis pick

for

Noel, Covington

How about for Okafor for Memphis 19 and Boston 18? I like Crowder, but
we get two good picks in this draft; don't need Rozier. He's yours - forever.

Take out the Memphis 19 and deal

[CptCrunch]

I just think people are looking at this through the wrong lens. It sort of reminds me of AI's rookie year. People knew AI was going to be the man, but they also liked Stackhouse's potential- who had just put up 20.7 PPG at age 22. I think people look at Nerlens and think, "It would be bad to lose this guy, so how can we make this thing work." And that same type of thinking would have kept Stackhouse at SG by keeping AI at PG. Sure that could have worked- but it would not have maximized your best player.

The team needs to think about maximizing Embiid 1st, Simmons 2nd and everything else is secondary.

So if you conclude that Embiid is best served always playing all of his minutes next to a PF who can shoot... then almost by definition NN is not in your long term plans. Likewise, if you decide that in order to maximize Simmons impact, he needs to be defensively guarding the 4... then Noel is the odd man out.

In order to maximize Embiid you need to surround him with shooters. You already are conceding one sub-par shooter in Simmons. Likewise, Simmons will do best with guys who can shoot in order to spread the floor (like Embiid and Saric.) The team will have only 1 or 2 big salary slots to invest around Embiid and Simmons. Does it make the most semse to use one of those slots on Noel?

If you think Embiid is best served playing lower minutes (32 or less) and it is fine playing Simmons heavy minutes at SF and Embiid playing 8-10 minutes next to another center... then you can consider extending Noel and start debating whether it is OK paying him 20M+ a year. But it has to start with Embiid and Simmons and the overall team building strategy. And honestly, given those 2 guys as your future core, I have a tough time thinking Noel is the right fit- despite the fact that I'd love 48 minutes of elite rim protection. Because with the way things are trending, finding a guy who gives you 16 minutes of elite rim protection is something you can do on the cheap.

Most 76ers fans are not considering the economics of it.

This off season, Noel will cost at least $20m/year to keep. Then next off season, Embiid is getting that max. 45m+ a year committed to one position. Then in another two years, Simmons will need his max.

Now you have two C, one SF/PF who can't shoot. Do you plan on getting guards who can dribble and shoot the ball? Is the rest of the roster going to be filled with min salary players and players on their rookie contracts?

[Sixerscan]

I just think people are looking at this through the wrong lens. It sort of reminds me of AI's rookie year. People knew AI was going to be the man, but they also liked Stackhouse's potential- who had just put up 20.7 PPG at age 22. I think people look at Nerlens and think, "It would be bad to lose this guy, so how can we make this thing work." And that same type of thinking would have kept Stackhouse at SG by keeping AI at PG. Sure that could have worked- but it would not have maximized your best player.

The team needs to think about maximizing Embiid 1st, Simmons 2nd and everything else is secondary.

So if you conclude that Embiid is best served always playing all of his minutes next to a PF who can shoot... then almost by definition NN is not in your long term plans. Likewise, if you decide that in order to maximize Simmons impact, he needs to be defensively guarding the 4... then Noel is the odd man out.

In order to maximize Embiid you need to surround him with shooters. You already are conceding one sub-par shooter in Simmons. Likewise, Simmons will do best with guys who can shoot in order to spread the floor (like Embiid and Saric.) The team will have only 1 or 2 big salary slots to invest around Embiid and Simmons. Does it make the most semse to use one of those slots on Noel?

If you think Embiid is best served playing lower minutes (32 or less) and it is fine playing Simmons heavy minutes at SF and Embiid playing 8-10 minutes next to another center... then you can consider extending Noel and start debating whether it is OK paying him 20M+ a year. But it has to start with Embiid and Simmons and the overall team building strategy. And honestly, given those 2 guys as your future core, I have a tough time thinking Noel is the right fit- despite the fact that I'd love 48 minutes of elite rim protection. Because with the way things are trending, finding a guy who gives you 16 minutes of elite rim protection is something you can do on the cheap.

Most 76ers fans are not considering the economics of it.

This off season, Noel will cost at least $20m/year to keep. Then next off season, Embiid is getting that max. 45m+ a year committed to one position. Then in another two years, Simmons will need his max.

Now you have two C, one SF/PF who can't shoot. Do you plan on getting guards who can dribble and shoot the ball? Is the rest of the roster going to be filled with min salary players and players on their rookie contracts?

Get those guards in the 3+ years between now and when Simmons is up for a contract?

Signing Noel doesn't mean he's here for the rest of his career, either.

[sixerswillrule]

I just think people are looking at this through the wrong lens. It sort of reminds me of AI's rookie year. People knew AI was going to be the man, but they also liked Stackhouse's potential- who had just put up 20.7 PPG at age 22. I think people look at Nerlens and think, "It would be bad to lose this guy, so how can we make this thing work." And that same type of thinking would have kept Stackhouse at SG by keeping AI at PG. Sure that could have worked- but it would not have maximized your best player.

The team needs to think about maximizing Embiid 1st, Simmons 2nd and everything else is secondary.

So if you conclude that Embiid is best served always playing all of his minutes next to a PF who can shoot... then almost by definition NN is not in your long term plans. Likewise, if you decide that in order to maximize Simmons impact, he needs to be defensively guarding the 4... then Noel is the odd man out.

In order to maximize Embiid you need to surround him with shooters. You already are conceding one sub-par shooter in Simmons. Likewise, Simmons will do best with guys who can shoot in order to spread the floor (like Embiid and Saric.) The team will have only 1 or 2 big salary slots to invest around Embiid and Simmons. Does it make the most semse to use one of those slots on Noel?

If you think Embiid is best served playing lower minutes (32 or less) and it is fine playing Simmons heavy minutes at SF and Embiid playing 8-10 minutes next to another center... then you can consider extending Noel and start debating whether it is OK paying him 20M+ a year. But it has to start with Embiid and Simmons and the overall team building strategy. And honestly, given those 2 guys as your future core, I have a tough time thinking Noel is the right fit- despite the fact that I'd love 48 minutes of elite rim protection. Because with the way things are trending, finding a guy who gives you 16 minutes of elite rim protection is something you can do on the cheap.

Most 76ers fans are not considering the economics of it.

This off season, Noel will cost at least $20m/year to keep. Then next off season, Embiid is getting that max. 45m+ a year committed to one position. Then in another two years, Simmons will need his max.

Now you have two C, one SF/PF who can't shoot. Do you plan on getting guards who can dribble and shoot the ball? Is the rest of the roster going to be filled with min salary players and players on their rookie contracts?

I don't get the dribble/shoot comment. Simmons can dribble. Embiid can shoot. Yes, Simmons will need an extension...in 2020. Are you assuming that the team will be twiddling their thumbs in the three summers prior to that?

[hookshot199]

Celtics fan here, what do you guys think of the following deal?

Crowder, Rozier, 19 Memphis pick

for

Noel, Covington

How about for Okafor for Memphis 19 and Boston 18? I like Crowder, but
we get two good picks in this draft; don't need Rozier. He's yours - forever.

Take out the Memphis 19 and deal

I truly don't believe that Boston has a trade that would work for anything the Sixers have.
There's no reason to trade Noel. And there's no reason to give Okafor away for a 20-25 pick.
And there's no reason to do anything until we see who we're going to draft.

Centers will be in short supply in the June draft. Okafor might be a better option than a
15-20 pick.

[hookshot199]

I just think people are looking at this through the wrong lens. It sort of reminds me of AI's rookie year. People knew AI was going to be the man, but they also liked Stackhouse's potential- who had just put up 20.7 PPG at age 22. I think people look at Nerlens and think, "It would be bad to lose this guy, so how can we make this thing work." And that same type of thinking would have kept Stackhouse at SG by keeping AI at PG. Sure that could have worked- but it would not have maximized your best player.

The team needs to think about maximizing Embiid 1st, Simmons 2nd and everything else is secondary.

So if you conclude that Embiid is best served always playing all of his minutes next to a PF who can shoot... then almost by definition NN is not in your long term plans. Likewise, if you decide that in order to maximize Simmons impact, he needs to be defensively guarding the 4... then Noel is the odd man out.

In order to maximize Embiid you need to surround him with shooters. You already are conceding one sub-par shooter in Simmons. Likewise, Simmons will do best with guys who can shoot in order to spread the floor (like Embiid and Saric.) The team will have only 1 or 2 big salary slots to invest around Embiid and Simmons. Does it make the most semse to use one of those slots on Noel?

If you think Embiid is best served playing lower minutes (32 or less) and it is fine playing Simmons heavy minutes at SF and Embiid playing 8-10 minutes next to another center... then you can consider extending Noel and start debating whether it is OK paying him 20M+ a year. But it has to start with Embiid and Simmons and the overall team building strategy. And honestly, given those 2 guys as your future core, I have a tough time thinking Noel is the right fit- despite the fact that I'd love 48 minutes of elite rim protection. Because with the way things are trending, finding a guy who gives you 16 minutes of elite rim protection is something you can do on the cheap.

Most 76ers fans are not considering the economics of it.

This off season, Noel will cost at least $20m/year to keep. Then next off season, Embiid is getting that max. 45m+ a year committed to one position. Then in another two years, Simmons will need his max.

Now you have two C, one SF/PF who can't shoot. Do you plan on getting guards who can dribble and shoot the ball? Is the rest of the roster going to be filled with min salary players and players on their rookie contracts?

With due respect, Sixers fans do understand the economics of it. The first two, even three years of a Noel contract won't affect their payroll in a negative way.

[spikeslovechild]

I just think people are looking at this through the wrong lens. It sort of reminds me of AI's rookie year. People knew AI was going to be the man, but they also liked Stackhouse's potential- who had just put up 20.7 PPG at age 22. I think people look at Nerlens and think, "It would be bad to lose this guy, so how can we make this thing work." And that same type of thinking would have kept Stackhouse at SG by keeping AI at PG. Sure that could have worked- but it would not have maximized your best player.

The team needs to think about maximizing Embiid 1st, Simmons 2nd and everything else is secondary.

So if you conclude that Embiid is best served always playing all of his minutes next to a PF who can shoot... then almost by definition NN is not in your long term plans. Likewise, if you decide that in order to maximize Simmons impact, he needs to be defensively guarding the 4... then Noel is the odd man out.

In order to maximize Embiid you need to surround him with shooters. You already are conceding one sub-par shooter in Simmons. Likewise, Simmons will do best with guys who can shoot in order to spread the floor (like Embiid and Saric.) The team will have only 1 or 2 big salary slots to invest around Embiid and Simmons. Does it make the most semse to use one of those slots on Noel?

If you think Embiid is best served playing lower minutes (32 or less) and it is fine playing Simmons heavy minutes at SF and Embiid playing 8-10 minutes next to another center... then you can consider extending Noel and start debating whether it is OK paying him 20M+ a year. But it has to start with Embiid and Simmons and the overall team building strategy. And honestly, given those 2 guys as your future core, I have a tough time thinking Noel is the right fit- despite the fact that I'd love 48 minutes of elite rim protection. Because with the way things are trending, finding a guy who gives you 16 minutes of elite rim protection is something you can do on the cheap.

Most 76ers fans are not considering the economics of it.

This off season, Noel will cost at least $20m/year to keep. Then next off season, Embiid is getting that max. 45m+ a year committed to one position. Then in another two years, Simmons will need his max.

Now you have two C, one SF/PF who can't shoot. Do you plan on getting guards who can dribble and shoot the ball? Is the rest of the roster going to be filled with min salary players and players on their rookie contracts?

Agreed. It's beyond frustrating. It would be one thing if there was a compelling argument to keep him despite the cost. However, rather then addressing it all they say is he is better then Okafor so lets keep him.

[Ericb5]

Celtics fan here, what do you guys think of the following deal?

Crowder, Rozier, 19 Memphis pick

for

Noel, Covington

How about for Okafor for Memphis 19 and Boston 18? I like Crowder, but
we get two good picks in this draft; don't need Rozier. He's yours - forever.

Take out the Memphis 19 and deal

What about Okafor and Covington for Crowder and Rozier?


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[hookshot199]

I just think people are looking at this through the wrong lens. It sort of reminds me of AI's rookie year. People knew AI was going to be the man, but they also liked Stackhouse's potential- who had just put up 20.7 PPG at age 22. I think people look at Nerlens and think, "It would be bad to lose this guy, so how can we make this thing work." And that same type of thinking would have kept Stackhouse at SG by keeping AI at PG. Sure that could have worked- but it would not have maximized your best player.

The team needs to think about maximizing Embiid 1st, Simmons 2nd and everything else is secondary.

So if you conclude that Embiid is best served always playing all of his minutes next to a PF who can shoot... then almost by definition NN is not in your long term plans. Likewise, if you decide that in order to maximize Simmons impact, he needs to be defensively guarding the 4... then Noel is the odd man out.

In order to maximize Embiid you need to surround him with shooters. You already are conceding one sub-par shooter in Simmons. Likewise, Simmons will do best with guys who can shoot in order to spread the floor (like Embiid and Saric.) The team will have only 1 or 2 big salary slots to invest around Embiid and Simmons. Does it make the most semse to use one of those slots on Noel?

If you think Embiid is best served playing lower minutes (32 or less) and it is fine playing Simmons heavy minutes at SF and Embiid playing 8-10 minutes next to another center... then you can consider extending Noel and start debating whether it is OK paying him 20M+ a year. But it has to start with Embiid and Simmons and the overall team building strategy. And honestly, given those 2 guys as your future core, I have a tough time thinking Noel is the right fit- despite the fact that I'd love 48 minutes of elite rim protection. Because with the way things are trending, finding a guy who gives you 16 minutes of elite rim protection is something you can do on the cheap.

Most 76ers fans are not considering the economics of it.

This off season, Noel will cost at least $20m/year to keep. Then next off season, Embiid is getting that max. 45m+ a year committed to one position. Then in another two years, Simmons will need his max.

Now you have two C, one SF/PF who can't shoot. Do you plan on getting guards who can dribble and shoot the ball? Is the rest of the roster going to be filled with min salary players and players on their rookie contracts?

Agreed. It's beyond frustrating. It would be one thing if there was a compelling argument to keep him despite the cost. However, rather then addressing it all they say is he is better then Okafor so lets keep him.

No, Spikes. He's a potential Marcus Camby. That's why you keep him.

[Negrodamus]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/1/11/14242964/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-nerlens-noel-sixers-jordan-clarkson-brandon-ingram-luol-deng-julius-randle

If we're doing a Lakers trade, it begins and ends with D'Angelo Russell. That's coming from a person who doesn't even like him.

[hookshot199]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/1/11/14242964/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-nerlens-noel-sixers-jordan-clarkson-brandon-ingram-luol-deng-julius-randle

If we're doing a Lakers trade, it begins and ends with D'Angelo Russell. That's coming from a person who doesn't even like him.

Not for Noel. You jest.

[Negrodamus]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/1/11/14242964/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-nerlens-noel-sixers-jordan-clarkson-brandon-ingram-luol-deng-julius-randle

If we're doing a Lakers trade, it begins and ends with D'Angelo Russell. That's coming from a person who doesn't even like him.

Not for Noel. You jest.

Are you saying Russell isn't worth Noel?

[76thBearCub]

Noel is more then a high end defensive player. He can finish and he can pass pretty damn well. He is a lot more useful then some of the 1 dimensional oafs he gets compared to.

[hege53190]

What is the lowest pick in next years draft you would take for Noel?

For Okafor?

[hookshot199]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/1/11/14242964/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-nerlens-noel-sixers-jordan-clarkson-brandon-ingram-luol-deng-julius-randle

If we're doing a Lakers trade, it begins and ends with D'Angelo Russell. That's coming from a person who doesn't even like him.

Not for Noel. You jest.

Are you saying Russell isn't worth Noel?

Yes, I'm saying that. It's not even close. Noel is going to be an elite defensive player. Russell's going to be an elite passer. Give me D always. But beyond that, Russell lacks quickness both on offense and defense. He's a guard equivalent to Okafor. He'll be an adequate pro, but not a foundation piece. Both the Lakers and Sixers missed with their picks.

[hookshot199]

What is the lowest pick in next years draft you would take for Noel?

For Okafor?

Re Noel: Truthfully, I don't know. But the question is, why would you trade him? You've got your front court set for the next five years, and with Noel you're immunized from an injury to Embiid. Also, I don't believe we're going to get a top-five pick. Other teams are tanking.

Re Okafor: 10-20 and preferably send him out West. Go through the list of center prospects and then decide if Okafor, despite his flaws, has more upside. That's the calculation I would make if I needed a center.