Transaction Discussion Part 3 (Trades, Free-Agency, News, Rumors & Ideas)

[og15]

at this point I think Austin is way over paid and would be difficult to move however if he can continue like the last 2 games then you have a good point. lets hope he continues. I believe the teams that og15 mentioned would be good for jj especially the ones with good pgs. cp3 has been a big reason for jj's success and needs someone willing to pass him the ball. he basically had a tough time in Orlando because howard refused to pass the ball to anyone and especially jj.

I don't know if Redick had a tough time in Orlando, he was actually pretty good there, he just had players the coaches chose to play over him (J-Rich, Vince Carter, etc). I don't think he had any issues with Howard not passing the ball.

Austin wouldn't be difficult to move if that was the plan, he's 24 years old, and after the contracts signed last off-season, we have a ton of similar and not as productive players making the same amount or more.

Would you guys do this...



Knicks Trade:

Melo
JHoliday



Knicks Get:

JCrawford
Luc Mbah a Moute
Sullinger
2017 1st from TOR (via TOR or LAC)
2021 1st from LAC
2019 2nd from LAC




Clippers Trade:

JJ Redick
JCrawford
Luc Mbah a Moute
2021 1st
2019 2nd



Clippers Get:

Melo
JHoliday




Raptors Trade:

2017 1st (better of TOR or LAC)
Sullinger



Raptors Get:

JJ Redick





Chris Paul | Raymond Felton
Justin Holiday | Austin Rivers
Carmelo Anthony | Paul Pierce | Wesley Johnson
Blake Griffin | Brandon Bass
DeAndre Jordan | Marresse Speights

Well at least it's not a Clippers/Knicks trade where Blake Griffin is being traded for Carmelo Anthony. I don't know actually, it's not a bad trade, yes, but don't forget contracts and the upcoming free agency of Griffin and Paul. Not sure the Clippers can afford to be paying Carmelo $26 million next season, but on the other hand, if the teams plans on keeping Redick, then Redick+Crawford would cost more then $26 million, so I guess it works.

It's certainly an interesting one I wouldn't have thought of, but Clippers just keep hemorrhaging draft picks. I don't think the Raptors part of it works though, they are trading a big and a first to get a SG when they have DeRozan. The Raptors part would have to be different.

[mattd13]

I beg to differ with you on jj in Orlando. I live in fl. and watched over 90% of Orlando's games while jj was there. he did have people play ahead of him because of defense but he improved that and began to play more and look at what the people ahead of him are doing now. howard was a black hole and a cancer on that team which eventually fell apart. after that he trashed the team and blamed everyone except himself. look what has happened to him. it speaks for itself. as for Austin, at this point he is over paid as is others at his level. if he continues to play well as in the last 2 games then I could change. you might win in the regular season with his style of play but I want to see what he can do against good teams in the play offs under defensive pressure that jj faces every night. the better teams start by trying to stop him and that disrupts the team. ask the best coach in the nba what he thinks. spurs!!! how would Austin hold up under that kind pressure?

[og15]

I beg to differ with you on jj in Orlando. I live in fl. and watched over 90% of Orlando's games while jj was there. he did have people play ahead of him because of defense but he improved that and began to play more and look at what the people ahead of him are doing now. howard was a black hole and a cancer on that team which eventually fell apart. after that he trashed the team and blamed everyone except himself. look what has happened to him. it speaks for itself. as for Austin, at this point he is over paid as is others at his level. if he continues to play well as in the last 2 games then I could change. you might win in the regular season with his style of play but I want to see what he can do against good teams in the play offs under defensive pressure that jj faces every night. the better teams start by trying to stop him and that disrupts the team. ask the best coach in the nba what he thinks. spurs!!! how would Austin hold up under that kind pressure?

Well those guys ahead of him were older, outside of Courtney Lee, so it's no surprise that he's a more productive NBA player than 40 year old Vince Carter and retired 36 year old J-Rich who struggled with injuries to end his career. Redick has never seemed to have any issues with Howard, on his podcast he's spoken of him well, and he loves the coach SVG who was playing all those guys ahead of him. So unless you have something more than Howard leaving Orlando on a bad note I don't know how you're supporting the idea that he had a tough time when he speaks of it very fondly. This doesn't mean the Clippers haven't been the perfect fit for him though.

Well I don't know if you're taking into account the fact that the NBA salary cap is $107 million this year and climbing the next two seasons. Austin is making 10.3% of the salary cap. In 2013-2014 before the cap started spiking, the salary cap was $56.7 million. A lot of people are still thinking of salaries relative to that cap setting, and in that cap, Austin would be making $5.8 million/year at 10.3% of the cap, about the number for the MLE. Next season the MLE is going to be about $8 million, and moving on it will be tied to the cap, so it will be something like 7-8% of the salary cap. Austin is making decent money, but he's not overpaid in any sense where we would need to be complaining about it, and he's not a salary that would be difficult to move in the current NBA. Moving a salary worth 10% of the cap is not a large chore.

[og15]

Would you guys do this...



Knicks Trade:

Melo
JHoliday



Knicks Get:

JCrawford
Luc Mbah a Moute
Sullinger
2017 1st from TOR (via TOR or LAC)
2021 1st from LAC
2019 2nd from LAC




Clippers Trade:

JJ Redick
JCrawford
Luc Mbah a Moute
2021 1st
2019 2nd



Clippers Get:

Melo
JHoliday




Raptors Trade:

2017 1st (better of TOR or LAC)
Sullinger



Raptors Get:

JJ Redick





Chris Paul | Raymond Felton
Justin Holiday | Austin Rivers
Carmelo Anthony | Paul Pierce | Wesley Johnson
Blake Griffin | Brandon Bass
DeAndre Jordan | Marresse Speights

Well at least it's not a Clippers/Knicks trade where Blake Griffin is being traded for Carmelo Anthony. I don't know actually, it's not a bad trade, yes, but don't forget contracts and the upcoming free agency of Griffin and Paul. Not sure the Clippers can afford to be paying Carmelo $26 million next season, but on the other hand, if the teams plans on keeping Redick, then Redick+Crawford would cost more then $26 million, so I guess it works.

It's certainly an interesting one I wouldn't have thought of, but Clippers just keep hemorrhaging draft picks. I don't think the Raptors part of it works though, they are trading a big and a first to get a SG when they have DeRozan. The Raptors part would have to be different.

Carmelo also has a large trade kicker, didn't actually think of that. There are limits to how high the trade kicker can make your salary, but I wonder how that would play into the situation too. His trade kicker is 15%.

[mattd13]

svg helped jj become the player he is today and he has stated that. he had to be better on defense and get stronger and he did that. I do not think jj would stoup to howards level in the blame game however I was there and saw first hand the frustration that he and others experienced. lee and aa are still in the league. how are they working out. look I do not want to argue of the past because we see it differently. lets look forward and hope jj and Austin help the clips get to where we all want them to be.

[spree8]

Would you guys do this...



Knicks Trade:

Melo
JHoliday



Knicks Get:

JCrawford
Luc Mbah a Moute
Sullinger
2017 1st from TOR (via TOR or LAC)
2021 1st from LAC
2019 2nd from LAC




Clippers Trade:

JJ Redick
JCrawford
Luc Mbah a Moute
2021 1st
2019 2nd



Clippers Get:

Melo
JHoliday




Raptors Trade:

2017 1st (better of TOR or LAC)
Sullinger



Raptors Get:

JJ Redick





Chris Paul | Raymond Felton
Justin Holiday | Austin Rivers
Carmelo Anthony | Paul Pierce | Wesley Johnson
Blake Griffin | Brandon Bass
DeAndre Jordan | Marresse Speights

Well at least it's not a Clippers/Knicks trade where Blake Griffin is being traded for Carmelo Anthony. I don't know actually, it's not a bad trade, yes, but don't forget contracts and the upcoming free agency of Griffin and Paul. Not sure the Clippers can afford to be paying Carmelo $26 million next season, but on the other hand, if the teams plans on keeping Redick, then Redick+Crawford would cost more then $26 million, so I guess it works.

It's certainly an interesting one I wouldn't have thought of, but Clippers just keep hemorrhaging draft picks. I don't think the Raptors part of it works though, they are trading a big and a first to get a SG when they have DeRozan. The Raptors part would have to be different.

Carmelo also has a large trade kicker, didn't actually think of that. There are limits to how high the trade kicker can make your salary, but I wonder how that would play into the situation too. His trade kicker is 15%.

Sullinger hasn't played this season yet so they're not really losing anything by giving him up. They're still stacked in the front court. And although they have DeMar, having JJ backing him up would be huge come playoff time.

Considering the Cavs just gave up a first round pick for a similar player who is going to be an UFA (Korver), and the Raps have 2 first round picks, I didn't think it'd be a problem considering how much he'd help come playoff time.


Kyle Lowry | Corey Joseph
DeMar DeRozan | JJ Redick | Norman Powell
DeMarre Carroll | Terrence Ross
Pascal Siakam | Pat Patterson
Jonas Valanciunas | Lucas Nogueira | Jakob Poeltl


Thats legit I think.


As far as the trade kicker, I dunno how that would effect your team's overall salary/tax/etc, but I wouldn't think it'd be a deal breaker, especially since you don't have to re-sign JJ Redick...just Cp3 & Blake. Holiday could return for cheap too...good 3 & D guy. Hell, you guys might even be able to have Melo & Cp3 convince Wade to join LAC for a discount.

[og15]

Well at least it's not a Clippers/Knicks trade where Blake Griffin is being traded for Carmelo Anthony. I don't know actually, it's not a bad trade, yes, but don't forget contracts and the upcoming free agency of Griffin and Paul. Not sure the Clippers can afford to be paying Carmelo $26 million next season, but on the other hand, if the teams plans on keeping Redick, then Redick+Crawford would cost more then $26 million, so I guess it works.

It's certainly an interesting one I wouldn't have thought of, but Clippers just keep hemorrhaging draft picks. I don't think the Raptors part of it works though, they are trading a big and a first to get a SG when they have DeRozan. The Raptors part would have to be different.

Carmelo also has a large trade kicker, didn't actually think of that. There are limits to how high the trade kicker can make your salary, but I wonder how that would play into the situation too. His trade kicker is 15%.

Sullinger hasn't played this season yet so they're not really losing anything by giving him up. They're still stacked in the front court. And although they have DeMar, having JJ backing him up would be huge come playoff time.

Considering the Cavs just gave up a first round pick for a similar player who is going to be an UFA (Korver), and the Raps have 2 first round picks, I didn't think it'd be a problem considering how much he'd help come playoff time.


Kyle Lowry | Corey Joseph
DeMar DeRozan | JJ Redick | Norman Powell
DeMarre Carroll | Terrence Ross
Pascal Siakam | Pat Patterson
Jonas Valanciunas | Lucas Nogueira | Jakob Poeltl


Thats legit I think.


As far as the trade kicker, I dunno how that would effect your team's overall salary/tax/etc, but I wouldn't think it'd be a deal breaker, especially since you don't have to re-sign JJ Redick...just Cp3 & Blake. Holiday could return for cheap too...good 3 & D guy. Hell, you guys might even be able to have Melo & Cp3 convince Wade to join LAC for a discount.

Cavs is a different situation due to positions. They will use Korver as a SG. Redick is a one position player, he's only a SG. Derozan is playing 37-40 mpg at SG in the playoffs, so you're really only talking about 8-11 mpg for Redick. Derozan could play some SF minutes to open up minutes for Redick, but you already have Caroll and Ross at SF. Carol can play some small ball minutes at PF, but it just makes sense to have Ross take those minutes.

The last thing the Raptors need is any more guards. They need a PF. They are better off waiting for Sullinger's health or using their assets elsewhere. This would also be a rental trade for them because there's no way they will be able to afford, nor should they be paying a ton of money for a guy like JJ to be a backup SG (for Cleveland for example, Korver would be much cheaper to resign) . This isn't even mentioning Norman Powell who is a pretty solid young player.

[spree8]

Carmelo also has a large trade kicker, didn't actually think of that. There are limits to how high the trade kicker can make your salary, but I wonder how that would play into the situation too. His trade kicker is 15%.

Sullinger hasn't played this season yet so they're not really losing anything by giving him up. They're still stacked in the front court. And although they have DeMar, having JJ backing him up would be huge come playoff time.

Considering the Cavs just gave up a first round pick for a similar player who is going to be an UFA (Korver), and the Raps have 2 first round picks, I didn't think it'd be a problem considering how much he'd help come playoff time.


Kyle Lowry | Corey Joseph
DeMar DeRozan | JJ Redick | Norman Powell
DeMarre Carroll | Terrence Ross
Pascal Siakam | Pat Patterson
Jonas Valanciunas | Lucas Nogueira | Jakob Poeltl


Thats legit I think.


As far as the trade kicker, I dunno how that would effect your team's overall salary/tax/etc, but I wouldn't think it'd be a deal breaker, especially since you don't have to re-sign JJ Redick...just Cp3 & Blake. Holiday could return for cheap too...good 3 & D guy. Hell, you guys might even be able to have Melo & Cp3 convince Wade to join LAC for a discount.

Cavs is a different situation due to positions. They will use Korver as a SG. Redick is a one position player, he's only a SG. Derozan is playing 37-40 mpg at SG in the playoffs, so you're really only talking about 8-11 mpg for Redick. Derozan could play some SF minutes to open up minutes for Redick, but you already have Caroll and Ross at SF. Carol can play some small ball minutes at PF, but it just makes sense to have Ross take those minutes.

The last thing the Raptors need is any more guards. They need a PF. They are better off waiting for Sullinger's health or using their assets elsewhere. This would also be a rental trade for them because there's no way they will be able to afford, nor should they be paying a ton of money for a guy like JJ to be a backup SG (for Cleveland for example, Korver would be much cheaper to resign) . This isn't even mentioning Norman Powell who is a pretty solid young player.

If they didn't want him I'm sure a different team could take their place for a late 1st. No biggie. The hardest part is the NY/LAC part, and that seems to make sense.

[og15]

Yea, for sure, Redick is great so he wouldn't be hard to find someone to trade him to for a 1st

[Rotten Apple]

Knicks fan coming in peace.

It's looking more and more like Melo is on his way out because let's face it we're going no where.

Would you guys welcome him to your team for a package that doesn't include the obvious core players(Paul, Griffin and Jordan)

His decline is not as bad as the media and our fans make it seem he's just not able to do for 48 minutes and I think going to a team with Paul running the show and a guy like Blake who can dominate around the rim would allow Melo to play more of his Olympic style role and thrive.

What would you be willing to give up if anything?

[nickhx2]

that's pretty tough to say, simply because jj redick is pretty much perfect for the team's offense and he'd be the central piece in any trade.

it's not so much that the team wouldn't be willing to move redick for more talent, but more that adding extra talent doesn't necessarily mean it'd be better for the team. and for certain the fit wouldn't be nearly as good.

like, if austin rivers could do everything jj could do, even at a lesser scale then hell yeah sure you do it. but he's not even close to the same, and when you have 3 guys who want to handle the ball (carmelo, cp3, blake) you start having some major issues, i think. blake has done well to figure out how to play under cp3 and then amp it up when he's the main guy on the court, but add anthony to the mix and that's a whole new universe of potential issues. bringing blake off the bench might fix that but who knows.

plus, if clips were to do a carmelo trade they'd probably have to give up both rivers and jj so now the team would be completely screwing themselves on that front, with a horribly imbalanced roster that is forced to make jamal crawford play 30 minutes a game.

it's a pretty complex trade situation.

[mattd13]

I think jj would love to play in ny.

[nickhx2]

i think jj just cause about getting the most money possible

[Neddy]

not that this would be a realistic scenario, but since Melo announced he would only accept a trade to Cle or LAC, I wonder how low Phil Jackson would be willing to take back for Melo trade. I know for sure that Phil must feel that that a addition by subtraction is at work here, as his euro-sensation will have more room and more ball to operate with Melo gone...

knowing Austin/Pirece are probably never gonna be availiable for a trade, how about Jamal + Wes + Luc + Anderson + future picks for Melo?

I am sure no sane Kincks fan would ever accept such proposal, but just for the sake of argument, we could build a

CP+ JJ + Melo + Blake + DJ starting 5 then

Felton + Austin + Pierce + Bass + Mo the back up 5

then there would still be Brice + Stone duo for our youth movement.

[mattd13]

I do not think there are enough basketballs in la for that line up. la does not have the pieces to make melo appear in la without giving up a key player. jj, Austin, brice, stone maybe might get you melo and I think doc is stupid enough but not happening because of Austin. daddy ball is alive and well in la.

[nickhx2]

the more you harp on austin even as he continues to get better, the more bitter and unreasonable you sound.

i mean everyone here knows i detest jamal crawford more than anyone else ever on earth but if he was a functional player benefitting the team i'd give that up real quick.

[MartinToVaught]

Don't want Melo at all. The last thing we need is an even more expensive version of Jamal with a worse attitude.

[og15]

My question is how can we get rid of Jamal? In his last 15 games he's a .450 TS% and 87 Ortg player, and he's been trying to facilitate more, but he's averaging 4.0 apg to 2.7 tpg. He's just miserable. He shoots 1/9-10 FG or worse every third game or so.

[mattd13]

I am sorry for the way I have been trashing Austin. it just is awful the way doc has treated this situation. he thinks austin is the second coming of some superstar. I am just not a fan of either and I do not like daddy ball. I just do not think he is very good. the same you feel about jamal. you and I agree on most things concerning the clips. forgive me for being honest. It is what it is.

[nickhx2]

if he was doing exactly what you say he was then that makes sense but he's not. you're projecting quite a few things onto him that just aren't true.