John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[deneem4]

Wall would be on Harden and Westbrook stat level if his teammates wanted him too....

No. Wall has been fabulous this year, but he's still a tier below Harden and Westbrook. That's no knock on Wall. Harden and Westbrook are having two of the best seasons by anybody, ever.

If his team mates wanted him too he could..
Russ and Harden teammates buy into those 2 guys success....
Wall teammates think more for their own success....it's not bad but considering nun of the guys on the roster are on Wall level offensively and defensively it doesn't help the team as much....
Thunders and rockets players literally play for Harden and Westbrook respectively...
With Pierce we had that...
And we had the most successful season in a longtime barring wall injury in the playoffs...
Our guys need to get back to that to succeed at an high level

[dobrojim]

did I say something about John becoming a better closer?

yeah, I think I did.

[nate33]

If his team mates wanted him too he could..
Russ and Harden teammates buy into those 2 guys success....
Wall teammates think more for their own success....it's not bad but considering nun of the guys on the roster are on Wall level offensively and defensively it doesn't help the team as much....
Thunders and rockets players literally play for Harden and Westbrook respectively...
With Pierce we had that...
And we had the most successful season in a longtime barring wall injury in the playoffs...
Our guys need to get back to that to succeed at an high level

This is just utter nonsense. Wall is incapable of doing what Harden does because he can't shoot like Harden. He is incapable of doing what Westbrook does because he is not as athletic as Westbrook.

Just how in the heck are Wall's teammates denying Wall success? Are Wall's teammates denying Wall rebounds? Are they intentionally missing jumpers when Wall passes to them? I guess Porter and Beal are capable of shooting 50% from 3-point range but choose to shoot 40% just to hurt Wall. Are they taking possession from Wall? (Wall has, by far, the highest usage rate on the team and the highest usage rate of his career.)

Even entertaining this ridiculous theory makes my head hurt.

[DCZards]

If his team mates wanted him too he could..
Russ and Harden teammates buy into those 2 guys success....
Wall teammates think more for their own success....it's not bad but considering nun of the guys on the roster are on Wall level offensively and defensively it doesn't help the team as much....
Thunders and rockets players literally play for Harden and Westbrook respectively...
With Pierce we had that...
And we had the most successful season in a longtime barring wall injury in the playoffs...
Our guys need to get back to that to succeed at an high level

This is just utter nonsense. Wall is incapable of doing what Harden does because he can't shoot like Harden. He is incapable of doing what Westbrook does because he is not as athletic as Westbrook.

Just how in the heck are Wall's teammates denying Wall success? Are Wall's teammates denying Wall rebounds? Are they intentionally missing jumpers when Wall passes to them? I guess Porter and Beal are capable of shooting 50% from 3-point range but choose to shoot 40% just to hurt Wall. Are they taking possession from Wall? (Wall has, by far, the highest usage rate on the team and the highest usage rate of his career.)

Even entertaining this ridiculous theory makes my head hurt.

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[deneem4]

If his team mates wanted him too he could..
Russ and Harden teammates buy into those 2 guys success....
Wall teammates think more for their own success....it's not bad but considering nun of the guys on the roster are on Wall level offensively and defensively it doesn't help the team as much....
Thunders and rockets players literally play for Harden and Westbrook respectively...
With Pierce we had that...
And we had the most successful season in a longtime barring wall injury in the playoffs...
Our guys need to get back to that to succeed at an high level

This is just utter nonsense. Wall is incapable of doing what Harden does because he can't shoot like Harden. He is incapable of doing what Westbrook does because he is not as athletic as Westbrook.

Just how in the heck are Wall's teammates denying Wall success? Are Wall's teammates denying Wall rebounds? Are they intentionally missing jumpers when Wall passes to them? I guess Porter and Beal are capable of shooting 50% from 3-point range but choose to shoot 40% just to hurt Wall. Are they taking possession from Wall? (Wall has, by far, the highest usage rate on the team and the highest usage rate of his career.)

Even entertaining this ridiculous theory makes my head hurt.

He shoots better than Westbrook and he's more athletic than harden...
Harden and Westbrook(especially) teammates mates let them get rebounds and focus on boxing out and getting down court...(you can literally see this when you watch)
It actually allows wall to be better in transition when he can get speed from coming down the whole court with the ball...

Westbrookeep nor Harden did this at this level last year...
Wall was literally the only pg averaging 22/10 last december...those guys have a gameplan built around them that's follow by they're respective team and teammates...

Meanwhile wall is fighting for alpha status with Beal and

[jrob23]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

[AFM]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

Pretty decent troll job. We commend you

[NatP4]

The intangibles and BBIQ definitely weren't there tonight, but it's one game and you sound like Collin Cowherd

[TheKingOfVa360]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

Change Wall in your paragraph to I Thomas and it will be more accurate.

[tontoz]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

The Washington Wizards’ John Wall and the Houston Rockets’ James Harden today were named the Kia NBA Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Month, respectively, for games played in December.

Wall led the Eastern Conference in assists (10.7 apg) and steals (2.67 spg) and ranked fifth in scoring (24.5 ppg) as the Wizards (10-5) posted their first 10-win month since December 2014. The reigning Eastern Conference Player of the Week was one of only three players to average a point-assist double-double in December, joining Harden and the LA Clippers’ Chris Paul. Wall, who scored a career-high 52 points in a 124-116 loss to the Orlando Magic on Dec. 6, shot 49.1 percent from the field and 81.4 percent from the free throw line for the month.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/03/john-wall-james-harden-kia-players-month-december

[nate33]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you're not trolling but instead, you haven't watched Wall much except for last night's game.

Wall was terrible last night. He does occasionally play with a level of immaturity unbecoming of a franchise player. But it's pretty rare. 95% of the time, Wall is a very good, very smart, very hard-working basketball player. His intangibles and BBIQ are actually sky high. You have no idea the subtle things he does to manipulate a defense. And this year, he has made radical improvements in his end-of-game management and his ability to score down the stretch (one of his biggest weaknesses in the past).

So you continue to believe what you believe about Wall out of ignorance. We've seen him a lot more than you and we know better. Wall has flaws, but overall, he's a great player and we're thrilled to have him.

[queridiculo]

This sort of trolling gets opposing fans banned on other boards.

What a sad little clown.

[dobrojim]

I wonder if his hand was okay after last night.
There was an observation that he hurt or aggravated it in the CHI game.
Hopefully it'll be better by Sat night.

That said, there were non-physical aspects of his game last night (BOS)
that I didn't care for. So be it. I have no expectation that that will be
an ongoing problem.

[queridiculo]

I wonder if his hand was okay after last night.
There was an observation that he hurt or aggravated it in the CHI game.
Hopefully it'll be better by Sat night.

That said, there were non-physical aspects of his game last night (BOS)
that I didn't care for. So be it. I have no expectation that that will be
an ongoing problem.

Yeah, Chicago is my guess too. There was a point where he a took a hard spill, and had his wrist checked. Immediately thought of his injury against Atlanta when I saw that one.

There were also quite a few spill against the Bucks.

Bad blood between those two teams has been building. Smarts elbow to Beals face and Wall taking exception to the contact getting himself ejected throwing a clothesline against Smart towards the end of a game last year.

This could get uglier, wouldn't be surprised if the league preempted it with a suspension and some warnings.

Still puzzled over how Beal ended up with a technical against Smart. Dude was basically hanging off of him all night and intentionally drug him to the ground on the scene that led to tech.

[Meliorus]

I wonder if his hand was okay after last night.
There was an observation that he hurt or aggravated it in the CHI game.
Hopefully it'll be better by Sat night.

That said, there were non-physical aspects of his game last night (BOS)
that I didn't care for. So be it. I have no expectation that that will be
an ongoing problem.

Because we are not on the court and we do not know what words were exchanged. We only see actions.

[jrob23]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

The Washington Wizards’ John Wall and the Houston Rockets’ James Harden today were named the Kia NBA Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Month, respectively, for games played in December.

Wall led the Eastern Conference in assists (10.7 apg) and steals (2.67 spg) and ranked fifth in scoring (24.5 ppg) as the Wizards (10-5) posted their first 10-win month since December 2014. The reigning Eastern Conference Player of the Week was one of only three players to average a point-assist double-double in December, joining Harden and the LA Clippers’ Chris Paul. Wall, who scored a career-high 52 points in a 124-116 loss to the Orlando Magic on Dec. 6, shot 49.1 percent from the field and 81.4 percent from the free throw line for the month.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/03/john-wall-james-harden-kia-players-month-december

case in point. I'm not saying he can't put up great numbers and isn't a great talent. But to get to the next level I feel he's missing the intangibles and BBIQ. Why is that trolling? Why can't someone just come here to discuss your players without being called a troll. I've already received a ban notice laughably. I'm honestly not trolling.

[jrob23]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

Change Wall in your paragraph to I Thomas and it will be more accurate.

see...I'm not a blind homer who would complain about trolling if you came on our board and said this. I am one of his biggest critics on our board. I think he's the biggest defensive liability in the league and it's mostly due to being lazy. He cant overcome the height issue but he can raise his energy level and with his quickness he should be getting more steals and taking more charges. I see that with Wall and no, that isn't the first time I've watched Wall play. I have NBA league pass and I'm a huge Porter fan. I think he's going to be a great SF but feel he's stifled because of Wall's highe usage rate. I think Beal is a stud offensively as well but like Wall, he's capable of being an elite defender but just doesn't bring it like he should on that end. So that's trolling? Having those opinions?

[dobrojim]

We perceive it as trolling because when you question his BBIQ and intangibles, you are showing
that you really don't know much about him.