Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[J-Ves]

For whatever reason, teams are not better with Whiteside on the floor, his RPM is real bad. If we keep the pick, we can finally draft a young PF/C. We've been drafting guards/wings all these years, it would be a nice change.

On the other hand, Whiteside is a rim protector with the rare ability to grab a ton of rebounds. I've never seen a guy with such sticky hands. The Wall effect would elevate him even more. Given that even Dragic/Wade got Hassan so many lobs, you've got to expect Wall to get him even more.

It really depends if we're in win now mode. Beal and Otto are real young, but Wall is 26. I don't think we can wait for Golden State/Cleveland to fade out because we're not Minnesota with 3 21 year olds. Getting Whiteside would put us in win now mode, and we'd be one of those teams (like Toronto) waiting for an injury to happen to the top teams.

We aren't keeping the pick. I think the move we make is for a backup point guard. If you ignore our long term needs(something EG does very well) someone who can run the show off the bench is our #1 need. The move will be something like 1st + Nicholson + Sato for a PG and maybe some other bench depth.

It doesn't hurt to ask about Whiteside, but we don't have the ammo to make a competitive offer.

[Ruzious]

I'd salivate at the thought of getting Whiteside, but if I'm the Wiz GM and believe Draftexpress' mock is right in showing Bam Adebeyo will be there at 18, I just pick him. He's a ridiculous physical specimen, and I think he has enough skills to develop into an excellent C/PF in the NBA.

Why wait when you can get a guy who can do the job now? It'll probably take Bam years to get to where Whiteside is now, if ever.

Because I think we'd have to include Porter if we have any real chance of trading for Whiteside.

[Dark Faze]

For whatever reason, teams are not better with Whiteside on the floor, his RPM is real bad. If we keep the pick, we can finally draft a young PF/C. We've been drafting guards/wings all these years, it would be a nice change.

On the other hand, Whiteside is a rim protector with the rare ability to grab a ton of rebounds. I've never seen a guy with such sticky hands. The Wall effect would elevate him even more. Given that even Dragic/Wade got Hassan so many lobs, you've got to expect Wall to get him even more.

It really depends if we're in win now mode. Beal and Otto are real young, but Wall is 26. I don't think we can wait for Golden State/Cleveland to fade out because we're not Minnesota with 3 21 year olds. Getting Whiteside would put us in win now mode, and we'd be one of those teams (like Toronto) waiting for an injury to happen to the top teams.

We aren't keeping the pick. I think the move we make is for a backup point guard. If you ignore our long term needs(something EG does very well) someone who can run the show off the bench is our #1 need. The move will be something like 1st + Nicholson + Sato for a PG and maybe some other bench depth.

It doesn't hurt to ask about Whiteside, but we don't have the ammo to make a competitive offer.

eff that

I'm not moving the pick for a brandon knight tiered backup PG

ernie please no

[J-Ves]

For whatever reason, teams are not better with Whiteside on the floor, his RPM is real bad. If we keep the pick, we can finally draft a young PF/C. We've been drafting guards/wings all these years, it would be a nice change.

On the other hand, Whiteside is a rim protector with the rare ability to grab a ton of rebounds. I've never seen a guy with such sticky hands. The Wall effect would elevate him even more. Given that even Dragic/Wade got Hassan so many lobs, you've got to expect Wall to get him even more.

It really depends if we're in win now mode. Beal and Otto are real young, but Wall is 26. I don't think we can wait for Golden State/Cleveland to fade out because we're not Minnesota with 3 21 year olds. Getting Whiteside would put us in win now mode, and we'd be one of those teams (like Toronto) waiting for an injury to happen to the top teams.

We aren't keeping the pick. I think the move we make is for a backup point guard. If you ignore our long term needs(something EG does very well) someone who can run the show off the bench is our #1 need. The move will be something like 1st + Nicholson + Sato for a PG and maybe some other bench depth.

It doesn't hurt to ask about Whiteside, but we don't have the ammo to make a competitive offer.

eff that

I'm not moving the pick for a brandon knight tiered backup PG

ernie please no

Despite the name of this website, we are not real gms. EG gonna EG.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

[Dat2U]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

Your worst idea yet. I wouldn't want Rose anywhere near this team.

[Dat2U]

For whatever reason, teams are not better with Whiteside on the floor, his RPM is real bad. If we keep the pick, we can finally draft a young PF/C. We've been drafting guards/wings all these years, it would be a nice change.

On the other hand, Whiteside is a rim protector with the rare ability to grab a ton of rebounds. I've never seen a guy with such sticky hands. The Wall effect would elevate him even more. Given that even Dragic/Wade got Hassan so many lobs, you've got to expect Wall to get him even more.

It really depends if we're in win now mode. Beal and Otto are real young, but Wall is 26. I don't think we can wait for Golden State/Cleveland to fade out because we're not Minnesota with 3 21 year olds. Getting Whiteside would put us in win now mode, and we'd be one of those teams (like Toronto) waiting for an injury to happen to the top teams.

We aren't keeping the pick. I think the move we make is for a backup point guard. If you ignore our long term needs(something EG does very well) someone who can run the show off the bench is our #1 need. The move will be something like 1st + Nicholson + Sato for a PG and maybe some other bench depth.

It doesn't hurt to ask about Whiteside, but we don't have the ammo to make a competitive offer.

eff that

I'm not moving the pick for a brandon knight tiered backup PG

ernie please no

Sounds very Ernie like. I expect Ernie to move the pick as well. I'm sure he wants to. If he doesn't, it may be a sign that Leonsis has prevented him from doing so and may be ready to move on at the end of this season.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

Your worst idea yet. I wouldn't want Rose anywhere near this team.

In my opinion I'm older and wiser than you.

Right now you're reacting the same way you did when you said Demarcus Cousins will never make it in the NBA.

This is the month of January and Derrick Rose would not spend more than four months with the team.

This is about upgrading from Trey Burke and dumping salary and the name of Ian Mahinmi


This is certainly not my worst idea come on man

[krii]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

Your worst idea yet. I wouldn't want Rose anywhere near this team.

In my opinion I'm older and wiser than you.

Right now you're reacting the same way you did when you said Demarcus Cousins will never make it in the NBA.

This is the month of January and Derrick Rose would not spend more than four months with the team.

This is about upgrading from Trey Burke and dumping salary and the name of Ian Mahinmi


This is certainly not my worst idea come on man

Agreed. Mahinmi, whilst not the worst player when healthy, is very risky deal. He is not cheap and constantly injured which generated many problems with our bench this season (basically it's Gortat + no-one for a couple of months and, since mid-December, Gortat + Smith in the 5's rotation). Burke is ... well, under-perfoming. Nicholson is awful and it doesn't seem like a case to improve, especially given Mahinmi's inability to stay healthy this season. Two second round picks are quite valuable but in all respect, dumping Nicholson and Mahinmi's salaries and acquiring both Hernangomez and Holiday should compensate these picks. We can't draft anyway and even if we want to we could do some off-season moves and acquire some picks in additional moves - this particular trade gives us loaaads of money.
Hernangomez might not be the greatest available back-up center but at least he can play stretch 5, he is rebounding well and isn't awful on defense (massive upgrade over Nicholson and, well, injured Mahinmi). He is very young for a center and on very team-friendly salary (1.37 mio).
Justin Holiday is bad on defense but he can't be any worse than Burke. He is able to shoot for 3 more regularly than Burke and be, at least, efficient as the 4th/5th guard (I bet McClellan would take a 4th spot).
Rose is a cancer but it's only a half year. He wants new contract badly and Wizards can give him some opportunity to shine in playoffs (which I believe we'll get to). He might have problems with being benched but maybe it would work with him - half season on bench with 30 minutes a game, leading bench team of him, McClellan, Oubre, Smith and Hernangomez.

I actually like this idea.

[tontoz]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

I would actually consider this. It would be a way to dump two bad contracts as well as getting better this season. Obviously we would let Rose walk in the summer.

[Meliorus]

Ernie has too much pride to make any trades. He can't fathom this summer being a failure so he'll keep waiting on Manhimi to come back. Manhimi is a very good player. I'd say he's a starting center on a playoff team, a guy who plays much better than his stats. I just don't know if he'll be the same after these weird injuries. We forget that Frank Vogel, a very good defensive coach, called Manhimi one of the best defensive centers in the league. Combine that with the Wall effect, and I think Manhimi will eventually start on this team and earn his contract. Last year he was 2nd in Defensive RPM among all centers with at least 20 MPG, only behind Andrew Bogut. Gortat was 10th. His overall RPM was 12th among centers (his offense suffered playing with a scoring PG). Gortat was 14th. Indiana fans love him as well.

We're really underrating him and if he ever comes back from the injury, it won't be long before Gortat is the one we're looking to move. My favorite part about him is that he's an intelligent defenders who's always in the right place. On YouTube you'll find highlights of players posterizing Manhimi (including our very own Gortat), but that's because he goes for the vertical challenge. More often that not, it works in his favor.

http://www.indycornrows.com/2016/3/24/11296626/why-the-pacers-need-to-re-sign-ian-mahinmi
http://www.indycornrows.com/2016/6/30/12075148/free-agency-ian-mahinmi-is-still-the-center-the-indiana-pacers-need

[stevemcqueen1]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

This is a very interesting trade idea. Nice outside the box thinking. I like it but I have two reservations:

1 - Would Derrick Rose be happy with playing a back up role? He really wants to get paid this summer, and I wouldn't want him coming in here and bringing bad juju into the locker room because he's unhappy with his role.

2 - Is Hernangomez an adequate long term option at C? I don't really know much about him. The issue with trading Mahinmi is that, even though he's injured now, he's still our trump card for having a long term option at C as Gortat ages. If you trade him, then we'll have to find another long term option at the position because, sooner or later, age is going to have to catch up with March.

So if Hernangomez isn't that kind long term option, then we would need to make a second move to bring one in.

That said, what I really like about your trade is that it'd definitely elevate the bench. Rose would absolutely be gone after the season ended, but it's a nice long term salary dump. If we fired Ernie, it gives his replacement a chance at a fresh start without all of the money Ernie spent this past summer anchoring him.

[stevemcqueen1]

Actually, thinking about that deal more, I think New York says no. Hernangomez's numbers are good for his age and I think he's too promising for them to deal. But the trade works without including him: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zf93duf

I think I say yes to that deal. And then I start calling Philly about Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor.

[nate33]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

Your worst idea yet. I wouldn't want Rose anywhere near this team.

Are you kidding me? I'd do that trade in a heartbeat just to unload the contracts of Mahinmi and Nicholson. You could cut Rose the day after the trade and I'd still consider it a good deal.

I don't see any way the Knicks do it though. If they consider Rose to be too much of a headache, they'd be better off simply cutting him.

[Dark Faze]

for what its worth I DO want the pick traded, but just for the right deal. It doesn't necessarily even have to go out this year--I'm fine with a move that has enough protection to let us keep it this year for a good player and kick the debt to next year (in a trade for Noel for instance).

I'm actually not okay with just sitting on our haunches waiting for some mid first pick to make a big difference for us. We'll have maxed or near maxed three of our core draft picks this summer and have a regular rotation player in Oubre from the draft as well. This team has guys in their prime now and I'm ready to effing compete. It wouldn't be necessary to even consider moving the pick if Ernie wasn't a trash GM, but we are where we are.

[krii]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

Your worst idea yet. I wouldn't want Rose anywhere near this team.

Are you kidding me? I'd do that trade in a heartbeat just to unload the contracts of Mahinmi and Nicholson. You could cut Rose the day after the trade and I'd still consider it a good deal.

I don't see any way the Knicks do it though. If they consider Rose to be too much of a headache, they'd be better off simply cutting him.

They might like the defensive upside of Mahinmi though. IF (big if) Ian is back to his old-self, he can be a really good defensive center that Knicks lacks of.

Meliorus - Mahinmi might be a great defensive center, however he is not that much younger that Gortat and he has (unlike Marcin) a long history of injuries. Also, besides last season, he has never played heavy-minutes starting role. If we could dump his contract we'd be in a position to acquire some of the younger centers, possibly someone from this year's draft. I'd prefer to acquire someone who is able to develop in one-two years rather than someone who is good to perform on a certain (good) level just for another two years. Gortat is able to still provide valuable minutes and a young, defensive-minded center on a bench would cover any of his problems.

[nate33]

for what its worth I DO want the pick traded, but just for the right deal. It doesn't necessarily even have to go out this year--I'm fine with a move that has enough protection to let us keep it this year for a good player and kick the debt to next year (in a trade for Noel for instance).

I'm actually not okay with just sitting on our haunches waiting for some mid first pick to make a big difference for us. We'll have maxed or near maxed three of our core draft picks this summer and have a regular rotation player in Oubre from the draft as well. This team has guys in their prime now and I'm ready to effing compete. It wouldn't be necessary to even consider moving the pick if Ernie wasn't a trash GM, but we are where we are.

Trading the pick for a good player presents a lot of complications for our long term cap/luxtax situation.

As it stands now, we barely have the luxtax room to pay Porter and our 2017 pick. So if we trade that 2017 pick for a player, it has to be for a player under a reasonably long term contract, and we have to send out salary to match. That outgoing salary is going to come in the form of some truly crappy contracts (Nicholson or Mahinmi), which is going to offset the value of our outgoing pick. Therefore, the guy we get back won't be very good.

I would be interested in trading our pick for a young player like Noel, for example, but the only way to make it work is to convince Philly to absorb Mahinmi. I don't think that is likely.

One keeps running into this issue whenever one contemplate trades for decent young players. Ultimately, the only trades that seem to work capwise involve trading the pick for mediocre bench depth (guys like Willie Barton). And I think that's an incorrect strategy. We're not talented enough to believe that adding one or two 18 mpg role players is going to launch us into contention.

[stevemcqueen1]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

Your worst idea yet. I wouldn't want Rose anywhere near this team.

Are you kidding me? I'd do that trade in a heartbeat just to unload the contracts of Mahinmi and Nicholson. You could cut Rose the day after the trade and I'd still consider it a good deal.

I don't see any way the Knicks do it though. If they consider Rose to be too much of a headache, they'd be better off simply cutting him.

I think you need to remove Hernangomez from the deal to get the Knicks to think about it. But I do see some incentive for them to pull the trigger. They messed up by giving Joakim Noah that four year 70 million dollar deal last summer. They must have done it because they really want a veteran center to play next to Porzingis. A healthy Mahinmi would give them the player they're looking for to pair with Porzingis.

The issue, of course, is that they'd need a PG.

[Dark Faze]

And yet waiting for a draft pick to develop with this GM's drafting record is absolutely agonizing. Unlike Cousins and the Kings, the Wiz don't have the benefit of enticing Wall with the new vet clause and it's insane money to keep him in Washington, and with the quality of guards in this league it's looking like he won't ever qualify for that. If we mess around with this joke of a bench waiting for Ernie's picks to develop then he's gone.

[TGW]

WARNING:

ACTUAL GOOD TRADE IDEA TO FOLLOW (ORIGINAL THOUGHTS)

Trade for Derrick Rose as follows: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h2s2tcd

(Mahinmi, Nicholson, Burke and two second round picks) for (Rose, Hernangomez, Holiday)



This is the ideal scenario for Derrick Rose. A chance to shine off the bench and in the playoffs subbing for Wall/Beal.
A bonus: Hernangomez improves the bench while greatly reducing cap.

Your worst idea yet. I wouldn't want Rose anywhere near this team.

I would do it just to dump Nicholson and Mahinmi.