TTP wrote:hookshot199 wrote:TTP wrote:
Our cap space has no relevance when comparing their market values.
Really? His market value is what he'll be offered. And Colangelo will probably match. Remember, Noel is 22. Before you tell me that age is irrelevant, do a little homework. Midway through his freshman year before tearing his ACL, he was projected to be number one in the draft. He's done nothing to suggest that his pre-draft rating wasn't accurate.
Russell has, unfortunately. Russell lacks quickness.
I would consider trading Okafor for Russell, maybe throw in this year's second. Same draft, different positions, but same physical limitations.
Do answer me this: Did you watch Camby in his early years - U-Mass, Toronto, then the Knicks? If you did, then we just have a gentleman's disagreement. If you didn't, then we're just talking in circles.
You seem to be mixing up two very different arguments. Your original claim was that Noel is worth more than Russell.
(2) Now you're arguing for why you think Noel is better.Their contract situations are very different. You aren't going to get much for Noel because the pursuer would only be getting half a season of play + RFA rights (which aren't worth much if the player isn't going to be offered a max contract).
His market value at the time of free agency will be what he's offered. Their present market values are what they'd be hypothetically traded for right now.
(1) There is just no chance that you could trade Noel for Russell right now. Also, good joke at thinking you could obtain Russell for Okafor and a 2nd.
Your Camby point is irrelevant. Noel's ceiling has very little to do with his value right now unless you think he's getting a max offer.
(1) Of course they could. The salaries are relatively equivalent. And the Lakers can match if Noel tests the market. But why would the Sixers make the trade? Russell isn't as good a prospect as Noel. He'll never be better than an average defensive player, and he hasn't demonstrated that he has an explosive first step on offense. You can't teach that. He's flawed.
Secondly, you seem to be under the assumption the management wants to trade him. On what basis? BC said that he will eventually have to move one of them. He didn't say it would be Noel.
(2) Contract? It's monopoly money. The first three years don't matter. The fourth probably does. So how much you pay him isn't really an issue, not for the Sixers at least. For the Lakers? Probably. They f--ked up their payroll for the next four years by signing Mozgov and Deng.
There is NO ISSUE (I repeat: NO ISSUE) about cap space or max contract or any of that for the next three years. Afterwards, yes.
It does get down to basketball philosophy. Do you like defense or do you like H-O-R-S-E. Those of us who have a little history and who have watched players like Camby or Noah grow see the similarities with Noel. We're very happy with the recent turn of events - that Brown, in part thanks to Embiid, got Brown to stand down.
As for Okafor's value: If one concludes that Russell isn't going to be a foundation piece (I have; Lakers' fans haven't probably), then there's an equivalence - a 6'5" 'kid' who's not athletic and doesn't play D, has some nice offensive skills vs a 6'11" 'kid' who's not athletic and doesn't play D but has some nice offensive skills.
But don't bring money into this discussion. If you don't think Noel is worth more than Evan Turner. That's your right. But Josh Harris is worth $2.6 billion.
We don't have to make personnel decisions dictated to by our current cap situation for the next two years and probably three. We will have to make offers to Robert Covington, TJ and possibly Ilayasova. But even those won't come into play until 2019/2020 earliest and probably 2020/2021.
(i favor stats btw)