Around the league 2016-2017

Kobblehead · Post #581 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:54 pm

Embiid
Jokic
Smart
Hood
Nurkic
Capella
Harris
Parker
Gordon
Powell
Kyle Anderson
Randle
Elfrid Payton
Clarkson
Lavine
TJ Warren

All better players from the 2014 draft than Andrew Wiggins.

If P.J. Hairston wasn't out of the league for being mentally unstable and Jordan Adams didn't suffer a career ending injury, they'd both be better than him, too.

Kobblehead · Post #582 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:09 pm

Oh and bet on it. Brandon Ingram will most likely be following in the Wiggins path to busthood, as well.

Unbreakable99 · Post #583 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:22 pm

I would trade Okafor for Wiggins though. That's not saying much though.

Kobblehead · Post #584 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:29 pm

Okafor needs to go, for sure. But he doesn't even play anymore, thus he isn't hurting us.

Wiggins being on the team would be us inheriting a 34+ minute player on the wing with a 28% usage and huge negative on both ends of the floor. He would destroy our team like he is doing to the Timberwolves.

Unbreakable99 · Post #585 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:57 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Okafor needs to go, for sure. But he doesn't even play anymore, thus he isn't hurting us.

Wiggins being on the team would be us inheriting a 34+ minute player on the wing with a 28% usage and huge negative on both ends of the floor. He would destroy our team like he is doing to the Timberwolves.

Let's hope the Wolves winning without LaVine at the moment will give them a false sense of security that Wiggins is better and maybe they put LaVine on the trade block. I'd be all over that.

ProcessDoctor · Post #586 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:11 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Okafor needs to go, for sure. But he doesn't even play anymore, thus he isn't hurting us.

Wiggins being on the team would be us inheriting a 34+ minute player on the wing with a 28% usage and huge negative on both ends of the floor. He would destroy our team like he is doing to the Timberwolves.

Let's hope the Wolves winning without LaVine at the moment will give them a false sense of security that Wiggins is better and maybe they put LaVine on the trade block. I'd be all over that.

LaVine's D is horrendous, but he would definitely have a role on this team. Wonder if they would have any interest in Okafor next to KAT.

Kobblehead · Post #587 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:14 pm

I could envision both Lavine and Wiggins being shipped out eventually. Lavine is a damn good player, but he can't defend at all. Can't imagine Thibs wanting either of them, longterm.

Ideally, we'd be loading up on 2-way players instead of high level 1-way guys. One of the same issues I have with drafting Malik Monk in the top 3.

ProcessDoctor · Post #588 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:24 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I could envision both Lavine and Wiggins being shipped out eventually. Lavine is a damn good player, but he can't defend at all. Can't imagine Thibs wanting either of them, longterm.

Ideally, we'd be loading up on 2-way players instead of high level 1-way guys. One of the same issues I have with drafting Malik Monk in the top 3.

Yea, Monk would be another player that would play in more of a niche role on this team. However, I think it's ok to have a few of those guys around as long as our franchise cornerstones are two-way players. Jackson or Fultz have the best chance to be this team's 3rd player of that type IMO. You could then surround our big 3 with more one-dimensional players like Cov, Noel, Monk, LaVine, etc...

dkj5061 · Post #589 » by **dkj5061** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:58 pm

Wasn't really sure what thread to put this in, but I recommend that everyone check out Nikola Jokic on the Nuggets some more if you haven't yet. Not saying I want to trade for him or anything, but he is just one of my favorite in the league to watch. He's a legitimate point-center who also stretches the floor to the 3 point line. I'm really excited to see how he develops over time.

Unbreakable99 · Post #590 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:05 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I could envision both Lavine and Wiggins being shipped out eventually. Lavine is a damn good player, but he can't defend at all. Can't imagine Thibs wanting either of them, longterm.

Ideally, we'd be loading up on 2-way players instead of high level 1-way guys. One of the same issues I have with drafting Malik Monk in the top 3.

It's easier said than done to get 2 way players. The other teams know they are two way players. It's almost impossible to have nothing but 2 way players in the starting 5. We already have 2 two way players in Covington and Embiid. Simmons can be a two way player so that could be 3 of them. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and get a one way player. How many 2 way players are there in starting lineups? Which team has the most 2 way players in the starting lineup. I doubt any team has more than 3.

LloydFree · Post #591 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:17 pm

dkj5061 wrote:Wasn't really sure what thread to put this in, but I recommend that everyone check out Nikola Jokic on the Nuggets some more if you haven't yet. Not saying I want to trade for him or anything, but he is just one of my favorite in the league to watch. He's a legitimate point-center who also stretches the floor to the 3 point line. I'm really excited to see how he develops over time.

Never heard of him. Glad you brought him to my attention. Thanks.

LloydFree · Post #592 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:30 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I would trade Okafor for Wiggins though. That's not saying much though.

As much as I hated the Okafor pick and seeing him on the floor for the 76ers, I didn't envision him being nearly this bad. But it's almost a blessing. He's so bad they probably won't waste years with him and he'll be gone soon.
We could be in the position of the T'Wolves, where Wiggins puts up enough hollow stats and is so popular amongst casual fans, that the team feels obligated to build around him. They're going to extend that guy for 100 million+ next year and it's going to be a complete waste of money and Salary cap space. He's worst than Rudy Gay ever was. We're almost better off having a complete bust in Okafor, than having a slightly disappointing player like Wiggins. Less wasted time.

MiltownHawkeye · Post #593 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:42 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I would trade Okafor for Wiggins though. That's not saying much though.

As much as I hated the Okafor pick and seeing him on the floor for the 76ers, I didn't envision him being nearly this bad. But it's almost a blessing. He's so bad they probably won't waste years with him and he'll be gone soon.
We could be in the position of the T'Wolves, where Wiggins puts up enough hollow stats and is so popular amongst casual fans, that the team feels obligated to build around him. They're going to extend that guy for 100 million+ next year and it's going to be a complete waste of money and Salary cap space. He's worst than Rudy Gay ever was. We're almost better off having a complete bust in Okafor, than having a slightly disappointing player like Wiggins.

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SelfishPlayer · Post #594 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:57 pm

LaVine should have been a Sixer but the misunderstood genius Sam Hinkie didn't draft him.

Unbreakable99 · Post #595 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:01 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:LaVine should have been a Sixer but the misunderstood genius Sam Hinkie didn't draft him.

You act as if Saric is a bad player. He's not athletically where I would want him and he will always be limited but he's not a bad player. LaVine is the better player now but he has glaring weakness on the defensive end. He's a guard so it's not as bad as a front court player not good on D but it's still an issue. Time will tell.

SelfishPlayer · Post #596 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:09 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote: Time will tell.

Time has told... :noway:

Kobblehead · Post #597 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:10 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:It's easier said than done to get 2 way players. The other teams know they are two way players. It's almost impossible to have nothing but 2 way players in the starting 5. We already have 2 two way players in Covington and Embiid. Simmons can be a two way player so that could be 3 of them. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and get a one way player. How many 2 way players are there in starting lineups? Which team has the most 2 way players in the starting lineup. I doubt any team has more than 3.

It just seems that way because the average GM is really bad at his job and can't draft or sign players for ****. Offensive talent will always be the priority in the eyes of the majority. Front offices are no different.

Finding high level talent with 2-way ability is rare. That's why we're in an unprecedented position having 2 franchise players that are 2-way players in Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Actually filling out your line-up and rotation with 2-way players is doable if you know what you're doing. Or in the very least, making sure your offensive talent can at least contribute on the defensive end by generating steals and competing once in a while. Guys like Lavine are absolute holes that can't do that.

IMO, literally the only thing we should look for at the PG, SG and SF spots are guys that can shoot and compete defensively. We will win a championship within 5 years if we do.

ProcessDoctor · Post #598 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:29 am

PHX with the W. Woot woot!

the_process · Post #599 » by **the_process** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:29 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote: Time will tell.

Time has told...

Time has told what exactly? That LaVine is a one way player who couldn't spell defense if you spotted him the first 5 letters? I would take him on the Sixers, don't get me wrong, but to act as if LaVine is some future all-star and Saric is a scrub is just wrong.

SelfishPlayer · Post #600 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:54 pm

the_process wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote: Time will tell.

Time has told...

Time has told what exactly? That LaVine is a one way player who couldn't spell defense if you spotted him the first 5 letters? I would take him on the Sixers, don't get me wrong, but to act as if LaVine is some future all-star and Saric is a scrub is just wrong.

So how's Saric's defense?

Here's a chart that has Saric as one of the worst players in the NBA when it comes to rim protection. Him and Ersan are there. Embiid and Okafor artificially increase their numbers where Dario and Saric would be the absolute worst in the entire NBA if the Sixers did not have so many quality defenders at center.
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