Political Roundtable Part XII

[dckingsfan]

The "deplorable" statement may have ended Clinton's perception as the presidential candidate of inclusion but any suggestion that it ended the Democrats as the party of inclusion is overblown, imo. The biggest mistake the Democratic Party could make is to change (or back away from) its core values and principles.

I think two thing here - many Ds believe the Clinton rhetoric. You posted something that would come off as proof but is really pretty grey. So, I don't agree that the Ds are the party of inclusion now. Quite the opposite and it has been an interesting transformation, one worthy of a book.

They second statement, I agree full-stop. But it is one thing to say you want to have a policy that allows Muslim's to immigrate legally to the country without deriding anyone who disagrees as racist. For example: in the example where you showed Hillary being "correct", if you answered that you were "concerned" with Muslim immigration, you were labeled racist. (I am not labeled here: I wanted us to pull in every college educated (STEM) Syrian into the country that we could). If you are for deporting those here illegally, you are also racist (think about that, if you think the law should be upheld you are racist).

Another example, if you didn't like the way the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act was written, you are sexist. (I didn't like it because it adds another burden to small companies; removes statutes of limitations, forcing companies to keep their records for decades if not longer. We have gotten to a point where small companies need compliance officers to make sure the comply with the vast array of regulations - and the truth is no small company can do this - making them all law breakers). But if you disagreed with the Act, you were labeled sexist. I am annoyed that the Ds have labeled me.

Two examples where the Ds policy could be correct but where their vitriol gets them in trouble. Where their ideas might have been better and more supportable but where their language has temporarily lost them the country.

This bothers me... because I think bad things happen with either party controls all branches of government.

[dckingsfan]

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Interesting one... just had a debate with a friend. He argues that their should be a five year complete replacement of all people in the CPD. I'm not sure that is the best way forward. But I couldn't muster an effective counter argument.

[dckingsfan]

I mean, why not go, bruh?

It's gonna be an event

I hate the cold, I'm not going to the woman's march either.

I'll be at the women's march with my wife and two daughters.

Dress in layers!!! It is going from 39 to 51

[closg00]

Trump uses the vocabulary of a 6th grader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/18/trumps-grammar-in-speeches-just-below-6th-grade-level-study-finds/?utm_term=.bafb017b9781


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[nate33]

Trump uses the vocabulary of a 6th grader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/18/trumps-grammar-in-speeches-just-below-6th-grade-level-study-finds/?utm_term=.bafb017b9781


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He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/donald-trump-connects-at-a-new-level-a-fourth-grade-level/

[nate33]

The Clinton Foundation Shuts Down Clinton Global Initiative
On January 12, a WARN notice was filed with the New York Department of Labor—the main office of the Clinton Global Initiative would be closing
By Michael Sainato • 01/15/17 7:45am

The Clinton Foundation’s long list of wealthy donors and foreign government contributors during the 2016 elections provoked critics to allege conflicts of interests. Clinton partisans defended the organization’s charitable work, and dismissed claims that it served as a means for the Clintons to sell off access, market themselves on the paid speech circuit, and elevate their brand as Hillary Clinton campaigned for the presidency.

But as soon as Clinton lost the election, many of the criticisms directed toward the Clinton Foundation were reaffirmed. Foreign governments began pulling out of annual donations, signaling the organization’s clout was predicated on donor access to the Clintons, rather than its philanthropic work. In November, the Australian government confirmed it “has not renewed any of its partnerships with the scandal-plagued Clinton Foundation, effectively ending 10 years of taxpayer-funded contributions worth more than $88 million.” The government of Norway also drastically reduced their annual donations, which reached $20 million a year in 2015.

http://observer.com/2017/01/the-clinton-foundation-shuts-down-clinton-global-initiative/

Shocking! Shocking, I tell you! The Clinton Foundation is suddenly having trouble getting donations now that the Clintons no longer have political power. Who would have ever believed such a thing?

[Wizardspride]

Trump uses the vocabulary of a 6th grader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/18/trumps-grammar-in-speeches-just-below-6th-grade-level-study-finds/?utm_term=.bafb017b9781


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He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/donald-trump-connects-at-a-new-level-a-fourth-grade-level/

What makes you think that as opposed to being just the way he talks?

No offense man, but you make so many excuses for this dude.

"His tweets are just to upset liberals "etc etc....as opposed to him just being a dick who can't control himself.

Look I get you're invested in this guy (for various reasons) but dude is he what seems to be...an ass.

An ass that you may agree with....but an ass nonetheless.

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Trump uses the vocabulary of a 6th grader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/18/trumps-grammar-in-speeches-just-below-6th-grade-level-study-finds/?utm_term=.bafb017b9781

He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/donald-trump-connects-at-a-new-level-a-fourth-grade-level/

Actually, I think both these posts are kinda funny.

On the one hand, effective oratory will often tend to simple, concrete words, i.e. restricted vocabulary. Nothing wrong with that.

On the other hand, nate, there's a big gap between the 6th grade and "postgraduate education"!!

Some really terrific orators don't rely on simple vocabulary, btw. Obama is unquestionably a very effective public speaker, and he doesn't.

[dckingsfan]

Trump uses the vocabulary of a 6th grader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/18/trumps-grammar-in-speeches-just-below-6th-grade-level-study-finds/?utm_term=.bafb017b9781


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He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/donald-trump-connects-at-a-new-level-a-fourth-grade-level/

What makes you think that as opposed to being just the way he talks?

No offense man, but you make so many excuses for this dude.

"His tweets are just to upset liberals "etc etc....as opposed to him just being a dick who can't control himself.

Look I get you're invested in this guy (for various reasons) but dude is he what seems to be...an ass.

An ass that you may agree with....but an ass nonetheless.

But at least he benefits from a strong case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

[Wizardspride]

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Trump uses the vocabulary of a 6th grader....

He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

Perhaps, nate, you'd like to compare the way Donald Trump speaks, and the themes he addresses, with Lincoln's 2d Inaugural Address. I don't think he intended to "relate" only to those with "postgraduate education:

"At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.

"On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.

"One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully.

"The Almighty has His own purposes. 'Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.' If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said: 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

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Here's one of the pages in Lincoln's own handwriting:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/msspin.pin2202/?sp=4

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said: 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'

I've stood at the Lincoln Memorial dozens of times and read this speech, which is engraved on the Northern wall, & never failed to weep at these words. The quoted passage is from Psalm 19.

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We've just elected a jackass President of the United States. Anyone who imagines there will be no price to pay for this is a fool. But elect him we did, and he will be President.

We are still able to, and we still should, honor the office itself -- we'd better do so, otherwise there is even less hope, nor even a reason to wish him gone as soon as possible.

[Wizardspride]

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[nate33]

Opera star Andrea Bocelli backs out of singing at Trump's inauguration after receiving death threats

Ahh. That legendary liberal tolerance.

[Wizardspride]

The Clinton Foundation Shuts Down Clinton Global Initiative
On January 12, a WARN notice was filed with the New York Department of Labor—the main office of the Clinton Global Initiative would be closing
By Michael Sainato • 01/15/17 7:45am

The Clinton Foundation’s long list of wealthy donors and foreign government contributors during the 2016 elections provoked critics to allege conflicts of interests. Clinton partisans defended the organization’s charitable work, and dismissed claims that it served as a means for the Clintons to sell off access, market themselves on the paid speech circuit, and elevate their brand as Hillary Clinton campaigned for the presidency.

But as soon as Clinton lost the election, many of the criticisms directed toward the Clinton Foundation were reaffirmed. Foreign governments began pulling out of annual donations, signaling the organization’s clout was predicated on donor access to the Clintons, rather than its philanthropic work. In November, the Australian government confirmed it “has not renewed any of its partnerships with the scandal-plagued Clinton Foundation, effectively ending 10 years of taxpayer-funded contributions worth more than $88 million.” The government of Norway also drastically reduced their annual donations, which reached $20 million a year in 2015.

http://observer.com/2017/01/the-clinton-foundation-shuts-down-clinton-global-initiative/

Shocking! Shocking, I tell you! The Clinton Foundation is suddenly having trouble getting donations now that the Clintons no longer have political power. Who would have ever believed such a thing?

I might be wrong but I thought it was announced months ago that the Global Initiative would be shut down regardless of the outcome of the election....


Yep. I thought so...

Here you go

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/21/bill-clinton-forcefully-defends-his-foundation-at-the-final-clinton-global-initiative-meeting/?utm_term=.b541d6329e99

[montestewart]

Opera star Andrea Bocelli backs out of singing at Trump's inauguration after receiving death threats

Ahh. That legendary liberal tolerance.

If we'd been asked to play, nothing would have stopped the Super High-Intensity Troubadours ("specializing in weddings and funerals") from appearing on that stage. Can't understand why no one contacted us, but postal service is pretty spotty in DC.

[nate33]

The Clinton Foundation Shuts Down Clinton Global Initiative
On January 12, a WARN notice was filed with the New York Department of Labor—the main office of the Clinton Global Initiative would be closing
By Michael Sainato • 01/15/17 7:45am

The Clinton Foundation’s long list of wealthy donors and foreign government contributors during the 2016 elections provoked critics to allege conflicts of interests. Clinton partisans defended the organization’s charitable work, and dismissed claims that it served as a means for the Clintons to sell off access, market themselves on the paid speech circuit, and elevate their brand as Hillary Clinton campaigned for the presidency.

But as soon as Clinton lost the election, many of the criticisms directed toward the Clinton Foundation were reaffirmed. Foreign governments began pulling out of annual donations, signaling the organization’s clout was predicated on donor access to the Clintons, rather than its philanthropic work. In November, the Australian government confirmed it “has not renewed any of its partnerships with the scandal-plagued Clinton Foundation, effectively ending 10 years of taxpayer-funded contributions worth more than $88 million.” The government of Norway also drastically reduced their annual donations, which reached $20 million a year in 2015.

http://observer.com/2017/01/the-clinton-foundation-shuts-down-clinton-global-initiative/

Shocking! Shocking, I tell you! The Clinton Foundation is suddenly having trouble getting donations now that the Clintons no longer have political power. Who would have ever believed such a thing?

I might be wrong but I thought it was announced months ago that the Global Initiative would be shut down regardless of the outcome of the election....


Yep. I thought so...

Here you go

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/21/bill-clinton-forcefully-defends-his-foundation-at-the-final-clinton-global-initiative-meeting/?utm_term=.b541d6329e99

It's not just about the CGI:

But as soon as Clinton lost the election, many of the criticisms directed toward the Clinton Foundation were reaffirmed. Foreign governments began pulling out of annual donations, signaling the organization’s clout was predicated on donor access to the Clintons, rather than its philanthropic work. In November, the Australian government confirmed it “has not renewed any of its partnerships with the scandal-plagued Clinton Foundation, effectively ending 10 years of taxpayer-funded contributions worth more than $88 million.” The government of Norway also drastically reduced their annual donations, which reached $20 million a year in 2015.

[Wizardspride]

http://observer.com/2017/01/the-clinton-foundation-shuts-down-clinton-global-initiative/

Shocking! Shocking, I tell you! The Clinton Foundation is suddenly having trouble getting donations now that the Clintons no longer have political power. Who would have ever believed such a thing?

I might be wrong but I thought it was announced months ago that the Global Initiative would be shut down regardless of the outcome of the election....


Yep. I thought so...

Here you go

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/21/bill-clinton-forcefully-defends-his-foundation-at-the-final-clinton-global-initiative-meeting/?utm_term=.b541d6329e99

It's not just about the CGI:

But as soon as Clinton lost the election, many of the criticisms directed toward the Clinton Foundation were reaffirmed. Foreign governments began pulling out of annual donations, signaling the organization’s clout was predicated on donor access to the Clintons, rather than its philanthropic work. In November, the Australian government confirmed it “has not renewed any of its partnerships with the scandal-plagued Clinton Foundation, effectively ending 10 years of taxpayer-funded contributions worth more than $88 million.” The government of Norway also drastically reduced their annual donations, which reached $20 million a year in 2015.

Honestly, that's one way to look at it and looking at the source I'm not surprised that's the angle they'd take.

One could also say they're pulling out because the Global Initiative was closing....

[AFM]

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