Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[claycarver]

what about Okafor? is it possible to get him?

Oh, I'm sure its more than possible. There would be great rejoicing in the city of brotherly love.

[Marvel]

Its ironic but with some good moves the same Philly team who tanked can be on the same timeline as our Celtics to be a real contender.

LOL 3 game win streak and we're talking about title contention

[darrendaye]

what about Okafor? is it possible to get him?

Oh, I'm sure its more than possible. There would be great rejoicing in the city of brotherly love.

Celts would be better off checking on Emeka Okafor than Jahlil.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17250477/emeka-okafor-seeks-nba-comeback-feels-great

[DavorFanCroatia]

What's up with Larry Sanders? Any news?

[chrisab123]

Unless the C's are flipping Ibaka to a 3rd team I don't think this is the best deal for them. Unless of course they're getting Vuc and another piece.

Right. What the hell would the Celtics do with a capable big man?

Who would play the Center spot? Neither guy Ibaka or Horford want to be a full time center. And Ibaka is an upgrade but he's not the same player he was 3-4 years ago.

[gocelts]

Danny isn't going to do anything crazy... He's probably offering Zeller and rights to Yabs just to see what the real cost is.

This is the same GM that waited for Horford and the year before traded a late pick for IT on a 27M contract.

He's not going to do anything stupid and definitely won't cough up his flexibility for next years free agency.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Works on the trade machine

Boston gets-DJ
LA gets-Melo
NY gets-Amir, Smart, Wes Johnson, Mickey, Young. Send them the "18" Brooklyn and Memphis pick.

PG-Thomas/Rozier
SG-Bradley/Rozier
SF-Crowder/Brown/Jerebko
PF-Horford/Kelly
C-DJ/Zeller

Still keep the "17". Need to sign a vet guard. Front court and starting backcourt are set though. Thoughts?

Something with Cleveland/NY by themselves makes too much sense.

And I think the Clippers' play would be either to deal spare parts or Blake, not DJ. The rationale for those old Blake rumors from the summer was that they liked the idea of having Rudy Gay (or Carmelo) play the 4 next to DJ to stretch the defense. Blake-for-Melo would be a huge win for the Knicks to put a blockbuster player next to Porzingis - who can complement him better on offense than Jordan did - and a huge win for the Clippers, even if it makes them older.

[Green89]

What's up with Larry Sanders? Any news?

No news since he tweeted he was coming to Boston for New Year's. He just tweets about voting Bucks as all stars and making music now.

[Jingles]

Okafor, Carmelo Anthony, Aaron Gordon? Boy has this thread gone down the tube quickly.

People understand that Ainge and the Celtics are trying to win?

The mind reels. What is so sexy about low post scoring that Okafor won't go away even after Philly's proven to be significantly better with him OFF the floor? Oh right, 1980s McHale fever dreams.

Odds are we overpay for "stars" and hit a ceiling as a 55 win also-ran, like Chicago, OKC, Memphis, Houston etc.

Okafor is on a rookie deal and he's hugely undervalued right now. Great buy low opportunity.

Ibaka is the opposite - overvalued for being on good OKC teams, about to cash in on a max deal he deserved five years ago when he blocked three shots a game. He's been trending down since then. Let someone else pay him - Presti won the hell out of that trade with Orlando - Oladipo is trending up, Sabonis is surprisingly solid, and Ibaka is underwhelming.

A guy racking up DNP-CDs for a high lotto team who plays worlds better with him off the floor is not undervalued, he's just bad.

His size doesn't help the Celtics just because it is size. He doesn't defend at all or rebound all that well, and he doesn't fit the offense in the slightest. How does the actual player help? Not the idea of the player and his supposed potential. The real guy.

[greenroom31]

Im sure Ainge would use a major asset (like Brooklyn pick, Brown, or Smart) for a guy like Butler or Paul George but the likelihood of that happening during the season seems low. More probable would be a deal for a big man/rebounder involving a non-Brooklyn pick and expirings/non major assets. The one that makes the most sense and that I like best is Noel at this point

[Pacino62]

Works on the trade machine

Boston gets-DJ
LA gets-Melo
NY gets-Amir, Smart, Wes Johnson, Mickey, Young. Send them the "18" Brooklyn and Memphis pick.

PG-Thomas/Rozier
SG-Bradley/Rozier
SF-Crowder/Brown/Jerebko
PF-Horford/Kelly
C-DJ/Zeller

Still keep the "17". Need to sign a vet guard. Front court and starting backcourt are set though. Thoughts?

Something with Cleveland/NY by themselves makes too much sense.

And I think the Clippers' play would be either to deal spare parts or Blake, not DJ. The rationale for those old Blake rumors from the summer was that they liked the idea of having Rudy Gay (or Carmelo) play the 4 next to DJ to stretch the defense. Blake-for-Melo would be a huge win for the Knicks to put a blockbuster player next to Porzingis - who can complement him better on offense than Jordan did - and a huge win for the Clippers, even if it makes them older.

I don't see either team having enough assets to go to NY. Outside of that, I would agree with your rationale. As for Blake over DJ, you're probably right on that front.

[Green89]

Brook Lopez may be on the move. They just recalled Chris McCullough from the D-league, 4 hours after sending him there. Calling Lopez out for "rest". Yah, right. He's probably being moved.

[claycarver]

Brook Lopez may be on the move. They just recalled Chris McCullough from the D-league, 4 hours after sending him there. Calling Lopez out for "rest". Yah, right. He's probably being moved.

so exciting!

wait, I hope we aren't getting him

[klemen4]

Portland is a possibility for Lopez trade imo...

[Andrew McCeltic]

The mind reels. What is so sexy about low post scoring that Okafor won't go away even after Philly's proven to be significantly better with him OFF the floor? Oh right, 1980s McHale fever dreams.

Odds are we overpay for "stars" and hit a ceiling as a 55 win also-ran, like Chicago, OKC, Memphis, Houston etc.

Okafor is on a rookie deal and he's hugely undervalued right now. Great buy low opportunity.

Ibaka is the opposite - overvalued for being on good OKC teams, about to cash in on a max deal he deserved five years ago when he blocked three shots a game. He's been trending down since then. Let someone else pay him - Presti won the hell out of that trade with Orlando - Oladipo is trending up, Sabonis is surprisingly solid, and Ibaka is underwhelming.

A guy racking up DNP-CDs for a high lotto team who plays worlds better with him off the floor is not undervalued, he's just bad.

His size doesn't help the Celtics just because it is size. He doesn't defend at all or rebound all that well, and he doesn't fit the offense in the slightest. How does the actual player help? Not the idea of the player and his supposed potential. The real guy.

Writing off "the idea of the player and his supposed potential" is idiotic. By that logic, we'd jettison Brown, Mickey, Rozier, and Smart - Marcus has been an abominably bad offensive player by some measures. And Olynyk, Bradley and Crowder would've been traded for guys who could help immediately. That's Jim O'Brien logic, Joe Johnson for Tony Delk and Rogers logic.

Okafor is more of a project than expected - he can do one thing at an elite level and is struggling to get up to speed everywhere else. He helps immediately as an instant offense scorer, with major potential upside. It's a very low-risk acquisition, the worst-case is that he's only ever a microwave scoring center and we're out a water bug point guard or whatever.

Writing off a 21 year old with Okafor's raw ability is foolish. So is passing up a chance to add him at a discount.

This board just has tunnel vision, wanting a repeat of the summer of 2007, where we wait and then get 2-3 stars at a discount - Hayward with our max cap space, then Bradley/Crowder for Butler, then somehow Cousins.

Notice adding Hayward with a max means renouncing Olynyk, Zeller, Jerebko, Amir, and then having no spare salary to keep making trades? Going to be very tight - Bradley/Ball for Cousins? Crowder/Brown/Rozier for Butler?

There's more than one path upward - and Okafor doesn't keep you from making those trades, he probably makes them easier. If you're trading a star player, do you want Rozier/Mickey/Yabusele/Jackson/1st or Okafor?

[Curmudgeon]

Okafor isn't worth the roster spot. I'd rather sign Abdul Nader than add Okafor-- even if you could get him for nothing.

[Edug27]

Okafor isn't worth the roster spot. I'd rather sign Abdul Nader than add Okafor-- even if you could get him for nothing.

Something tells me if you had the power to make that decision you wouldn't do that.

[Celts17Pride]

Okafor isn't worth the roster spot. I'd rather sign Abdul Nader than add Okafor-- even if you could get him for nothing.

Nader is almost guaranteed to be on the Celtics roster after the trade deadline. If Young isn't traded he will be cut

[Andrew McCeltic]

Okafor isn't worth the roster spot. I'd rather sign Abdul Nader than add Okafor-- even if you could get him for nothing.

Something's gotta go down before this board goes completely inane.

I'd trade both Brooklyn picks and Jaylen Brown for Okafor, who showed more *ELITE* offensive ability in his ROOKIE YEAR as a 20 year old who has *never been coached!!* than JayLAME Brown and two unproven hypothetical imaginary lotto picks could ever hope to have, lolol.

[Avalanche]

I'd give Okafor a shot on the cheap, could be a nice wildcard to have coming off the bench where he could give you an efficient 15-20 on any given night when the rest of the offense was struggling... it's a different look than anything we really have at the moment