Political Roundtable Part XII

[nate33]

Trump uses the vocabulary of a 6th grader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/18/trumps-grammar-in-speeches-just-below-6th-grade-level-study-finds/?utm_term=.bafb017b9781


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He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/donald-trump-connects-at-a-new-level-a-fourth-grade-level/

What makes you think that as opposed to being just the way he talks?

No offense man, but you make so many excuses for this dude.

"His tweets are just to upset liberals "etc etc....as opposed to him just being a dick who can't control himself.

Look I get you're invested in this guy (for various reasons) but dude is he what seems to be...an ass.

An ass that you may agree with....but an ass nonetheless.

Every attack on Trump that is predicated on Trump being unintelligent are ridiculous. This is not me "making excuses". It is me applying common sense to refute ridiculous assertions. The man graduated from Wharton with an economics degree. He went on to be a successful businessman in a highly competitive, mature field. He's no idiot.

[dckingsfan]

Must read

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/stunning-pair-interviews-trump-slams-nato-and-eu-threatens-bmw-tax-ready-cut-ties-me

Said in a slow stuttering voice:

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[Wizardspride]

He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/donald-trump-connects-at-a-new-level-a-fourth-grade-level/

What makes you think that as opposed to being just the way he talks?

No offense man, but you make so many excuses for this dude.

"His tweets are just to upset liberals "etc etc....as opposed to him just being a dick who can't control himself.

Look I get you're invested in this guy (for various reasons) but dude is he what seems to be...an ass.

An ass that you may agree with....but an ass nonetheless.

Every attack on Trump that is predicated on Trump being unintelligent are ridiculous. This is not me "making excuses". It is me applying common sense to refute ridiculous assertions. The man graduated from Wharton with an economics degree. He went on to be a successful businessman in a highly competitive, mature field. He's no idiot.

I think Trump is "intelligent" in the sense he's knowlegeable about his field of expertise...but I don't think he's well-rounded if that makes any sense.

Basically, I think he's "intellectually uncurious" (is that a word )

[nate33]

Must read

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/stunning-pair-interviews-trump-slams-nato-and-eu-threatens-bmw-tax-ready-cut-ties-me

[nate33]

Basically, I think he's "intellectually uncurious" (is that a word )

That's just elitist code for "idiot".

You and the liberals can go on thinking that if you want. Trump will continue to outflank you if you do.

[payitforward]

Opera star Andrea Bocelli backs out of singing at Trump's inauguration after receiving death threats

Ahh. That legendary liberal tolerance.

Now, nate, don't jump to conclusions! A lot of conservatives think he's overrated too. Plus, he may just be making an excuse. He may be getting paid off not to sing. Maybe the Clintons are using their last few dollars to ruin the inauguration by keeping Bocelli out of it.

Then again, opinions differ: I think it may turn out to be an improvement.

[montestewart]

Basically, I think he's "intellectually uncurious" (is that a word )

That's just elitist code for "idiot".

You and the liberals can go on thinking that if you want. Trump will continue to outflank you if you do.

Note that Nate is not accusing you of being a liberal. After all, we're all friends here.

[payitforward]

I might be wrong but I thought it was announced months ago that the Global Initiative would be shut down regardless of the outcome of the election....


Yep. I thought so...

Here you go

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/21/bill-clinton-forcefully-defends-his-foundation-at-the-final-clinton-global-initiative-meeting/?utm_term=.b541d6329e99

It's not just about the CGI:

But as soon as Clinton lost the election, many of the criticisms directed toward the Clinton Foundation were reaffirmed. Foreign governments began pulling out of annual donations, signaling the organization’s clout was predicated on donor access to the Clintons, rather than its philanthropic work. In November, the Australian government confirmed it “has not renewed any of its partnerships with the scandal-plagued Clinton Foundation, effectively ending 10 years of taxpayer-funded contributions worth more than $88 million.” The government of Norway also drastically reduced their annual donations, which reached $20 million a year in 2015.

Honestly, that's one way to look at it and looking at the source I'm not surprised that's the angle they'd take.

One could also say they're pulling out because the Global Initiative was closing....

Typical -- Trump supporters are always in favor of fair-weather friends. Those governments are all giving their $$ to Putin now, and he's funneling it to Trump via IP tunnels in the bitcoin universe.

In fact, Trump & Putin have made an offer to the Clintons to buy the "Clinton Foundation" name. Once that deal is finalized they get a taste on the way in and on the way out. In fact, foolish people who wonder what Jared Kushner's role will be can only be missing the obvious connection -- perhaps they are unaware of the admittedly little-known fact that Kushner is a direct descendent of Bugsy Siegel.

Then again, on the Blind Squirrel theory, it is possible after all that The Observer has it right.

[AFM]

Haha. We all bitcoin now baby

[payitforward]

Must read

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/stunning-pair-interviews-trump-slams-nato-and-eu-threatens-bmw-tax-ready-cut-ties-me

Nate -- if you have the time and don't mind, will you read the comment thread below the article AFM links to, then tell me what you think of this particular group of Trump supporters? Thanks.

As to the article itself, it's a complete load of sh*t. But that's no surprise.

[closg00]

Opera star Andrea Bocelli backs out of singing at Trump's inauguration after receiving death threats

Ahh. That legendary liberal tolerance.

Death threats.....right, more likely a bad career move to have ever been associated with the Trump inaugural. No business manager in his right mind wants to have video tape of their client performing for an extremely unpopular and dangerous narcissist who stands at decent odds at being impeached probably. Trump is even more unpopular overseas.

[nate33]

Must read

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/stunning-pair-interviews-trump-slams-nato-and-eu-threatens-bmw-tax-ready-cut-ties-me

Nate -- if you have the time and don't mind, will you read the comment thread below the article AFM links to, then tell me what you think of this particular group of Trump supporters? Thanks.

As to the article itself, it's a complete load of sh*t. But that's no surprise.

Is there any comment in particular that you wish me to opine on?

In general, it looks like most of the comments are from people who are outraged and/or afraid of the Muslim transformation in Europe. It's going to fundamentally change the culture of Europe and they're not happy about it.

[Wizardspride]

I keep seeing these articles (and tweets) from Trump voters complaining about the ACA repeal.

I mean honestly, what exactly did you think you voting for?


And yeah, some liberals were the same way when it came to President Obama.

[dckingsfan]

Basically, I think he's "intellectually uncurious" (is that a word )

That's just elitist code for "idiot".

You and the liberals can go on thinking that if you want. Trump will continue to outflank you if you do.

I do think that, as far as the details of policy goes, Trump isn't intellectually curious. I think that is a fair statement.

When there is no policy on the table, he is easily able to outflank the liberals - and he has been quite effective at that (I think I commented early about language, the Ds are killing themselves).

But when there is policy on the table, he is outflanking himself. He promised the repeal of ACA. He has now outflanked the Senate and House by demanding a replacement - and the Rs don't have one at this time. And when they do come up with one, they will own it. And as we have seen with the Ds, it will be their demise.

So, IMO, Trump will outflank both his party and the Ds. And I think that stems from him not wanting to dig into policy details

Or if you will - being intellectually un-curious.

[Induveca]

It's taken me being out of the US for a few weeks to realize how unbelievably toxic the media environment has become there.

It's been so refreshing to read a newspaper, watch local news and not be subjected to blatant political propaganda 24/7.

[Wizardspride]

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[verbal8]

The problem with Trump is much of his talk(especially tweets) doesn't reflect a lot of thought. I don't think most of us think this is due to a lack of intelligence, but rather a lack of discipline. Also I think we are generally using a different metric. We are generally measuring "Is this good for the country". I think Trump's metric is "Does this get me attention?".

While his real estate record is debatable, I think his casino record isn't. He pretty clearly was a failure in that regard. I think this is because he didn't address the complexity of the business.

Basically, I think he's "intellectually uncurious" (is that a word )

That's just elitist code for "idiot".

You and the liberals can go on thinking that if you want. Trump will continue to outflank you if you do.

I do think that, as far as the details of policy goes, Trump isn't intellectually curious. I think that is a fair statement.

Or if you will - being intellectually un-curious.

[payitforward]

He does it on purpose. It's how he relates to the millions of people who do not have postgraduate education.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/donald-trump-connects-at-a-new-level-a-fourth-grade-level/

What makes you think that as opposed to being just the way he talks?

No offense man, but you make so many excuses for this dude.

"His tweets are just to upset liberals "etc etc....as opposed to him just being a dick who can't control himself.

Look I get you're invested in this guy (for various reasons) but dude is he what seems to be...an ass.

An ass that you may agree with....but an ass nonetheless.

Every attack on Trump that is predicated on Trump being unintelligent are ridiculous. This is not me "making excuses". It is me applying common sense to refute ridiculous assertions. The man graduated from Wharton with an economics degree. He went on to be a successful businessman in a highly competitive, mature field. He's no idiot.

Obviously not! & you left out the fact that he got himself elected President of the United States!

The notion reminds me of all the people who thought Ronald Reagan was unintelligent. I'd even add to the list the commonly-held notion that W. was dumb.

In my experience, one of the biggest mistakes a person can make is to underestimate his opponent.

But, Wizardspride didn't say he was dumb; he called him "a dick who can't control himself" and "an ass." & I called him "a jackass." I suppose "jackass" would usually be taken to imply unintelligent, in which case it was a poorly chosen word.

Really what I think is that he's just an awful human being. If I thought he was well-equipped to be a President, I might be able to find ways in which his nature, even if not worthy of respect, might add to his ability to do the job. But I think he is ill-equipped for the job.

My opinion of him has nothing to do with politics or policy. I wasn't a fan of Ronald Reagan's politics, but no one would have called him "an awful human being." The opposite, in fact. He was clearly a person of high character, commitment & even courage. I admired his human qualities, and I still do. & I'd say those qualities were key to the successes of his tenure.

As a person, I'd call Donald Trump just about the polar opposite of Ronald Reagan.

[nate33]

Bob Woodward: That dossier is a "garbage document. It never should have been presented as part of an intelligence briefing".

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[Wizardspride]

Bob Woodward: That dossier is a "garbage document. It never should have been presented as part of an intelligence briefing".

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Quite possibly....but apparently the intelligence agencies think differently.

We shall see.