All In for Tanking

[theBigLip]

Only 1 team can win it all. Only 4-5 teams can call themselves elite. And 16 teams call themselves playoff teams. At least we are in the last category. And trying to become elite. At the moment it may look like we've taken a step back, but I'm still of the mindset that we move forward. Tanking? Not a chance. A trade or two? Sure. But i think we need to zero in on the 6th seed and I still think we can do it THIS year.

[JohnReese]

If I were Van Gundy, I would think that we are in the process of being a good team, not great but the kind that fights for getting into a finals of conference.

Reggie is getting better, Ish has proven to be a quality backup (and he is cheap), KCP is on his way to be one of the best guards in the league out of the stars, Morris is a good role player, Stanley keeps showing some flashes of his potential, Harris shows that can be a 20ppg guy, Leuer is one of the best signings of the last FA, Drummond has improved a little his FTs and we have discovered that Boban can be a killer coming off the bench. With one good signing and drafting a good player we should keep going.

[BadMofoPimp]

Fact is that it will be impossible to out tank the teams tanking this year.

This is just one of those drafts were you don't have to get a top pick. As long as you get in the top 10 your in pretty good shape.

There is never such a thing as a sure thing. Even in the deep drafts, half the top 10 are duds.

[MotownMadness]

Problem is, if we end up with a top 5-ish pick, that would mean this team is so damned broken it really has to be totally blown up. I don't think you can go from playoffs to horrible with an "improved" roster, and salvage very much of it. I do believe that you can start the year bad, just barely make the playoffs, and build on that the following year.

A bottom 5 team is also not 1 good draft pick from contending with the Cavs. Years of being horrible would be pretty much inevitable. A good draft pick also isn't a guarantee you'll get a great player.

And contrary to popular belief around here, basically every team that contends has to be first round fodder at some point. I'd rather root for aiming at that 5th-8th seed and hope SVG can pull out a couple more good trades than trying to hit the reset button after half a season.

This team is pretty bad man, I get that your excited over that laker win but your really over hyping a team who most nights can't even compete cause they have no desire too.

"Excited"... "overhyping"...

I'm just saying stop complaining for a single damn minute.

I don't always complain but the team sucks and I see the draft as the best chance to add a good piece. You are one of those cant handle criticism and needs to pretend your team is good to be happy, I get it. But reality is the team is not good but the draft is and I want one of those players so I'm more then fine with losing just like our main players are. I'm not complaining but telling it like it is, the team sucks.

[MotownMadness]

Fact is that it will be impossible to out tank the teams tanking this year.

This is just one of those drafts were you don't have to get a top pick. As long as you get in the top 10 your in pretty good shape.

There is never such a thing as a sure thing. Even in the deep drafts, half the top 10 are duds.

True but we desperately need a star and this is a good chance to get one

[MotownMadness]

If I were Van Gundy, I would think that we are in the process of being a good team, not great but the kind that fights for getting into a finals of conference.

Reggie is getting better, Ish has proven to be a quality backup (and he is cheap), KCP is on his way to be one of the best guards in the league out of the stars, Morris is a good role player, Stanley keeps showing some flashes of his potential, Harris shows that can be a 20ppg guy, Leuer is one of the best signings of the last FA, Drummond has improved a little his FTs and we have discovered that Boban can be a killer coming off the bench. With one good signing and drafting a good player we should keep going.

I just don't see it, Statistically we have been one of the worst teams in the league since Reggie has come back and Drummond statistically is one of the worst starting centers in the league on both sides of the ball. Those two are bringing us down quick this year and we need to move one of them.

[PistonsSince85]

If I were Van Gundy, I would think that we are in the process of being a good team, not great but the kind that fights for getting into a finals of conference.

Reggie is getting better, Ish has proven to be a quality backup (and he is cheap), KCP is on his way to be one of the best guards in the league out of the stars, Morris is a good role player, Stanley keeps showing some flashes of his potential, Harris shows that can be a 20ppg guy, Leuer is one of the best signings of the last FA, Drummond has improved a little his FTs and we have discovered that Boban can be a killer coming off the bench. With one good signing and drafting a good player we should keep going.

I just don't see it, Statistically we have been one of the worst teams in the league since Reggie has come back and Drummond statistically is one of the worst starting centers in the league on both sides of the ball. Those two are bringing us down quick this year and we need to move one of them.

Agree 100%. I think we realistically could move Drummond but not sure how much value Reggie gets us here.

[BadMofoPimp]

This is just one of those drafts were you don't have to get a top pick. As long as you get in the top 10 your in pretty good shape.

There is never such a thing as a sure thing. Even in the deep drafts, half the top 10 are duds.

True but we desperately need a star and this is a good chance to get one

If that is your line of thinking, the chance of tanking into the upper top 10 and winning a star player is probably less than 1%. Thus, odds are another Stanley Johnson or Reggie Bullock level player. Waste of time. Can sign those in Free agency.

I would rather help the team learn how to build a winning mentality than teaching them to lose.

[MotownMadness]

There is never such a thing as a sure thing. Even in the deep drafts, half the top 10 are duds.

True but we desperately need a star and this is a good chance to get one

If that is your line of thinking, the chance of tanking into the upper top 10 and winning a star player is probably less than 1%. Thus, odds are another Stanley Johnson or Reggie Bullock level player. Waste of time. Can sign those in Free agency.

I would rather help the team learn how to build a winning mentality than teaching them to lose.

Less then 1% really? Perhaps for a superstar but there is enough talent to get another young AllStar talent level player out of the draft in the top 10. And this team is not building off of any sort of winning. They have gotten way worst after a playoff appearance last year so I don't know what your talking about, what are we going to learn and build on from another ass whoopin from the Cavs? if somehow we are lucky enough to even get that far cause right now we aren't even good enough to get swept in the final playoff spot. And no we can't sign a young prospect in FA cause we don't have any money.

[BadMofoPimp]

True but we desperately need a star and this is a good chance to get one

If that is your line of thinking, the chance of tanking into the upper top 10 and winning a star player is probably less than 1%. Thus, odds are another Stanley Johnson or Reggie Bullock level player. Waste of time. Can sign those in Free agency.

I would rather help the team learn how to build a winning mentality than teaching them to lose.

Less then 1% really? Perhaps for a superstar but there is enough talent to get another young AllStar talent level player out of the draft in the top 10. And this team is not building off of any sort of winning. They have gotten way worst after a playoff appearance last year so I don't know what your talking about, what are we going to learn and build on from another ass whoopin from the Cavs? if somehow we are lucky enough to even get that far cause right now we aren't even good enough to get swept in the final playoff spot. And no we can't sign a young prospect in FA cause we don't have any money.

Might be lucky if there are 2 out of the 10 that will end up an all-star. The rest are just plain pipe dreams bad GM's praying to win a star to save their jobs.

[MotownMadness]

If that is your line of thinking, the chance of tanking into the upper top 10 and winning a star player is probably less than 1%. Thus, odds are another Stanley Johnson or Reggie Bullock level player. Waste of time. Can sign those in Free agency.

I would rather help the team learn how to build a winning mentality than teaching them to lose.

Less then 1% really? Perhaps for a superstar but there is enough talent to get another young AllStar talent level player out of the draft in the top 10. And this team is not building off of any sort of winning. They have gotten way worst after a playoff appearance last year so I don't know what your talking about, what are we going to learn and build on from another ass whoopin from the Cavs? if somehow we are lucky enough to even get that far cause right now we aren't even good enough to get swept in the final playoff spot. And no we can't sign a young prospect in FA cause we don't have any money.

Might be lucky if there are 2 out of the 10 that will end up an all-star. The rest are just plain pipe dreams bad GM's praying to win a star to save their jobs.

That's not being a bad GM that's being smart. If you don't have star talent you need to try to acquire it and for a city like us that's through the draft. Maybe you miss but when you hit this point of the season and you are a mess with a team of role players you take a shot.

[Manocad]

You are dismissed and may God have mercy on your soul.

Likewise if you call Pistons basketball since 08 "watchable"



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I didn't make that statement, although I'd call it a lot more watchable than the 76ers. You know, that whole making the playoffs thing.

Good DAY, sir!

[Manocad]

And what if this pick doesn't work out? More tanking?

Case study: The Phildelphia 76ers in 2018-2021

[Pharaoh]

No rookie, regardless of how good he might become can fix what needs fixing on our team.

You think a top 10 pick is gonna light a fire inside Drummond or make RJ a better floor general?

How?

These guys need a sports psychologist!

Say what you will about KCP & SJ but at least they're driven to succeed

Said it all along - that's the thing that can't be taught and if dudes don't want it then you can't force them

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[BadMofoPimp]

The Fallacy of seeing a thread like this is that there is a Zero percent chance SVG will ever Tank. Thus, it is a waste of time and delusional to think it may happen. If anything, SVG could trade down in the draft by packaging the Pistons pick with a player to get into top 10 to take a player he has targeted.

[MotownMadness]

The Fallacy of seeing a thread like this is that there is a Zero percent chance SVG will ever Tank. Thus, it is a waste of time and delusional to think it may happen. If anything, SVG could trade down in the draft by packaging the Pistons pick with a player to get into top 10 to take a player he has targeted.

Yeah there's no way we would intentionally tank, I'm just saying I'm rooting for losses and they are delivering well.

[ImHeisenberg]

I'm all for tanking, or doing something. I think I've just soured on this team. I don't like any of our prospects. The established players are a collection of guys with limited games and other guys with no heart and just in it for the paycheck. I feel like we're never going to be any more than a first round sweep with this current group, and I'm starting to question SVG's coaching- I just can't decide whether he's lacking a more modern approach, lack of flexibility, or that this roster is just too stupid for him to incorporate anything any more elaborate that high school level plays.