Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Curmudgeon]

Treadmill teams are mediocre. The Knicks are just bad.

They should have made it Porzingis' team and undertaken a proper rebuild. Put Melo's butt on the bench and play young guys.. Instead they brought in fading overpriced veterans.

[Edug27]

NYC is a true treadmill team at the moment. Stuck.

I actually don't think so. I just think Phil played his cards all wrong since going there. Once he drafted Porzingis, he should have tore that mf'er down and rebuilt it properly. Pressure Melo into waiving that trade clause. Never should have signed Rose and Lee. Bring in a young coach. Abandon the triangle. Let Porzingis develops and put young pieces around him. Eventually get some draft picks. Phil is just old and wants to win before that contract is up. Was never going to happen.

[klemen4]

I once checked my idea from yesterday

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h988e7o

Melo, Crowder to LAC
Griffin, Pierce to BOS
Amir Johnson, Zeller, Wesley Johnson, Brookly 18 to NY

I would do this only if we can simultaniously make a trade for Butler

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jgmyvzc

Avery, Brown, BRK 17, Jerebko for Butler, filler(one of Grant, Cannan, Felicio, Zipfer)

Yes we would gave away 5 huge assets, overpay in both trades, but...

it
smart
butler
griffin
horford

bench would be thin...

rozier / jackson
green / young
pierce
felicio / mickey
olynyk

would this team be good enough to chalange for a championship

[Celts17Pride]

NYC is a true treadmill team at the moment. Stuck.

Donnie Walsh got the Knicks headed in the right direction after years of being a treadmill. Phil Jackson came in and threw them back to treadmill by not being patient signing guys like Robin Lopez, Noah etc. and giving Melo the extension with a no trade clause. This is all on Phil Jackson.

[brackdan70]

I once checked my idea from yesterday

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h988e7o

Melo, Crowder to LAC
Griffin, Pierce to BOS
Amir Johnson, Zeller, Wesley Johnson, Brookly 18 to NY

I would do this only if we can simultaniously make a trade for Butler

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jgmyvzc

Avery, Brown, BRK 17, Jerebko for Butler, filler(one of Grant, Cannan, Felicio, Zipfer)

Yes we would gave away 5 huge assets, overpay in both trades, but...

it
smart
butler
griffin
horford

bench would be thin...

rozier / jackson
green / young
pierce
felicio / mickey
olynyk

would this team be good enough to chalange for a championship

I think in the Griffin trade, the 2018 Brooklyn pick needs to go to Clippers to make value fair. then send a couple lesser picks to the Knicks.

I like the premise though, like you said overpay, but it gives us a nice team... and I think Zizic coming over next season would help.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I'm not trading my shot at Ayton for 40 games of Blake Griffin. No chance.

[Shamrock]

NYC is a true treadmill team at the moment. Stuck.

Donnie Walsh got the Knicks headed in the right direction after years of being a treadmill. Phil Jackson came in and threw them back to treadmill by not being patient signing guys like Robin Lopez, Noah etc. and giving Melo the extension with a no trade clause. This is all on Phil Jackson.

I'm not even jealous that they have KP because I know their front office will never surround him with the correct talent.

[GoCeltics123]

NYC is a true treadmill team at the moment. Stuck.

Donnie Walsh got the Knicks headed in the right direction after years of being a treadmill. Phil Jackson came in and threw them back to treadmill by not being patient signing guys like Robin Lopez, Noah etc. and giving Melo the extension with a no trade clause. This is all on Phil Jackson.

I'm not even jealous that they have KP because I know their front office will never surround him with the correct talent.

Did Walsh make the Bargnani trade?

[celtxman]

NYC is a true treadmill team at the moment. Stuck.

Donnie Walsh got the Knicks headed in the right direction after years of being a treadmill. Phil Jackson came in and threw them back to treadmill by not being patient signing guys like Robin Lopez, Noah etc. and giving Melo the extension with a no trade clause. This is all on Phil Jackson.

I'm not even jealous that they have KP because I know their front office will never surround him with the correct talent.

But it is frustrating that they got so lucky. They drop a couple of spots at the end of the season and still luck out that the Lakers hand them KP by drafting Russell. This will be like Isaiah Thomas drafting TMac. With all of the other horrible things he did as a coach and executive, he can always trot that out like Jackson can do with KP.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I once checked my idea from yesterday

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h988e7o

Melo, Crowder to LAC
Griffin, Pierce to BOS
Amir Johnson, Zeller, Wesley Johnson, Brookly 18 to NY

I would do this only if we can simultaniously make a trade for Butler

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jgmyvzc

Avery, Brown, BRK 17, Jerebko for Butler, filler(one of Grant, Cannan, Felicio, Zipfer)

Yes we would gave away 5 huge assets, overpay in both trades, but...

it
smart
butler
griffin
horford

bench would be thin...

rozier / jackson
green / young
pierce
felicio / mickey
olynyk

would this team be good enough to chalange for a championship

I love Paul Pierce. My son's middle name is Pierce. Felt like I grew up with the guy, since we're the same age. My favorite Celtic. WIth that being said - the only time I want him wearing a Celtics uniform is during old highlights or when he comes back to get his number retired. The last thing Brad Stevens needs is to be heckled by hometown fans, yelling at him to put Paul into the game. Paul is done, and he should have retired already so he could enter the most stacked HOF class with KG, Duncan, and Kobe.

[tlee324]

NYC is a true treadmill team at the moment. Stuck.

I actually don't think so. I just think Phil played his cards all wrong since going there. Once he drafted Porzingis, he should have tore that mf'er down and rebuilt it properly. Pressure Melo into waiving that trade clause. Never should have signed Rose and Lee. Bring in a young coach. Abandon the triangle. Let Porzingis develops and put young pieces around him. Eventually get some draft picks. Phil is just old and wants to win before that contract is up. Was never going to happen.

I think you just described their situation as currently being stuck on the treadmill.

[ddb]

The BK picks for all we know are locked away in a vault and off the table in any trade talks. From a business perspective that's probably the best play when considering the big picture. I also believe that IT is getting extended and will be a long-term Celtic. I think the only way Danny forks over the BK picks is if Dell Demps decides to quietly listen to what Danny has to say. for Davis I go all-in..

draft night mega deal. Crowder/Jaylen Brown/Rozier/Yabu/BK17/BK18 plus 2 future picks for Davis.

Sign Hayward in free agency. Bring over Zizic. Round out the roster with veteran players looking to win a ring.

Roster could look something like this to start 2017

IT-Bradley-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Shelvin Mack-Marcus Smart-Gerald Green-Jerebko-Ante Zicic
DJackson-GAllen (2nd round pick?)-Nader-Mickey- Vet FA big

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Donnie Walsh got the Knicks headed in the right direction after years of being a treadmill. Phil Jackson came in and threw them back to treadmill by not being patient signing guys like Robin Lopez, Noah etc. and giving Melo the extension with a no trade clause. This is all on Phil Jackson.

I'm not even jealous that they have KP because I know their front office will never surround him with the correct talent.

But it is frustrating that they got so lucky. They drop a couple of spots at the end of the season and still luck out that the Lakers hand them KP by drafting Russell. This will be like Isaiah Thomas drafting TMac. With all of the other horrible things he did as a coach and executive, he can always trot that out like Jackson can do with KP.

IMO, Isiah wasn't that bad at drafting. He's got a pretty good track record when it comes to drafts. Guy selected Ariza in the second round. Also got Wilson Chandler late in the 1st round too. You could make the case that he messed up in 1996 by not taking guys like Ray Allen or Kobe over Marcus Camby, but Camby was pretty dominant in college. Isiah really should be working for a team as a draft scout.

[Murta]

I'm not even jealous that they have KP because I know their front office will never surround him with the correct talent.

But it is frustrating that they got so lucky. They drop a couple of spots at the end of the season and still luck out that the Lakers hand them KP by drafting Russell. This will be like Isaiah Thomas drafting TMac. With all of the other horrible things he did as a coach and executive, he can always trot that out like Jackson can do with KP.

IMO, Isiah wasn't that bad at drafting. He's got a pretty good track record when it comes to drafts. Guy selected Ariza in the second round. Also got Wilson Chandler late in the 1st round too. You could make the case that he messed up in 1996 by not taking guys like Ray Allen or Kobe over Marcus Camby, but Camby was pretty dominant in college. Isiah really should be working for a team as a draft scout.

Yep, original IT's problem is he looooved to trade away draft picks for washed-up vets, but when he actually kept picks, his results were pretty good.

[TheOGJabroni]

The BK picks for all we know are locked away in a vault and off the table in any trade talks. From a business perspective that's probably the best play when considering the big picture. I also believe that IT is getting extended and will be a long-term Celtic. I think the only way Danny forks over the BK picks is if Dell Demps decides to quietly listen to what Danny has to say. for Davis I go all-in..

draft night mega deal. Crowder/Jaylen Brown/Rozier/Yabu/BK17/BK18 plus 2 future picks for Davis.

Sign Hayward in free agency. Bring over Zizic. Round out the roster with veteran players looking to win a ring.

Roster could look something like this to start 2017

IT-Bradley-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Shelvin Mack-Marcus Smart-Gerald Green-Jerebko-Ante Zicic
DJackson-GAllen (2nd round pick?)-Nader-Mickey- Vet FA big

Sign me up.

[FlatearthZorro]

The BK picks for all we know are locked away in a vault and off the table in any trade talks. From a business perspective that's probably the best play when considering the big picture. I also believe that IT is getting extended and will be a long-term Celtic. I think the only way Danny forks over the BK picks is if Dell Demps decides to quietly listen to what Danny has to say. for Davis I go all-in..

draft night mega deal. Crowder/Jaylen Brown/Rozier/Yabu/BK17/BK18 plus 2 future picks for Davis.

Sign Hayward in free agency. Bring over Zizic. Round out the roster with veteran players looking to win a ring.

Roster could look something like this to start 2017

IT-Bradley-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Shelvin Mack-Marcus Smart-Gerald Green-Jerebko-Ante Zicic
DJackson-GAllen (2nd round pick?)-Nader-Mickey- Vet FA big

I agree there's absolutely no point in trading a pontential n1 overall pick + the 3rd overall(Jaylen) + whatever fillers unless u're getting a game changer back(game changer meaning superstar that makes you a contender). I'm not on the Butler bandwagon anymore, but as any other trade I would cheer for him to do to the best of his abilities if he was on our team.

[Celts17Pride]

NYC is a true treadmill team at the moment. Stuck.

I actually don't think so. I just think Phil played his cards all wrong since going there. Once he drafted Porzingis, he should have tore that mf'er down and rebuilt it properly. Pressure Melo into waiving that trade clause. Never should have signed Rose and Lee. Bring in a young coach. Abandon the triangle. Let Porzingis develops and put young pieces around him. Eventually get some draft picks. Phil is just old and wants to win before that contract is up. Was never going to happen.

Phil Jackson was the one that gave Melo the no trade clause.

[Curmudgeon]

Phil Jackson was the one that gave Melo the no trade clause.

Yes, and the way to fix that mistake is to bench him. After 5-6 DNP-CDs, you whisper the word "buyout" in his ear. From an economic standpoint, Melo should just sit there and cash his paychecks. But his ego probably couldn't handle that.

[celtxman]

I'm not even jealous that they have KP because I know their front office will never surround him with the correct talent.

But it is frustrating that they got so lucky. They drop a couple of spots at the end of the season and still luck out that the Lakers hand them KP by drafting Russell. This will be like Isaiah Thomas drafting TMac. With all of the other horrible things he did as a coach and executive, he can always trot that out like Jackson can do with KP.

IMO, Isiah wasn't that bad at drafting. He's got a pretty good track record when it comes to drafts. Guy selected Ariza in the second round. Also got Wilson Chandler late in the 1st round too. You could make the case that he messed up in 1996 by not taking guys like Ray Allen or Kobe over Marcus Camby, but Camby was pretty dominant in college. Isiah really should be working for a team as a draft scout.

There was a time when you heard about the "brilliance" of drafting TMac and Stoudemire, and as you said all things considered he did OK in that area. I was referring to the coaching fiascos in both Indiana and NY. With good established playoff talent in Indiana he lost all three playoffs in the first round, the last to the 6th seeded Celtics. The Knicks were a debacle, both as a coach, 56-108 and President 56-108 before that. Mix in there the embarrassing Larry Brown 5yr $60 million contract, to which he was gone after a year-trading for Eddy Curry instead of drafting LaMarcus Aldridge. And of course the cherry on top of the cake -the sexual harrassment lawsuit. Knicks fans of course loved his famous "welcome to the playoffs" declaration for a 39-43 team that promptly was swept in the first round. Three years as a college coach at FIU 26-65, and the Continental Basketball Association going bankrupt with him as the owner rounds things out. The NBA offered to buy the CBA from Thomas, but he arrogantly refused and the 55 year old league went under. The NY Times at the time wrote , "In the end, his foray into league ownership became a case study in how not to run a business."
Thomas, hilariously, went on to comment that he "wasn't in the running" when the Lakers coaching job became available, something nobody was asking him. There's so much more to write, but that's really enough. I was talking about a lot more than a few draft picks.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

But it is frustrating that they got so lucky. They drop a couple of spots at the end of the season and still luck out that the Lakers hand them KP by drafting Russell. This will be like Isaiah Thomas drafting TMac. With all of the other horrible things he did as a coach and executive, he can always trot that out like Jackson can do with KP.

IMO, Isiah wasn't that bad at drafting. He's got a pretty good track record when it comes to drafts. Guy selected Ariza in the second round. Also got Wilson Chandler late in the 1st round too. You could make the case that he messed up in 1996 by not taking guys like Ray Allen or Kobe over Marcus Camby, but Camby was pretty dominant in college. Isiah really should be working for a team as a draft scout.

There was a time when you heard about the "brilliance" of drafting TMac and Stoudemire, and as you said all things considered he did OK in that area. I was referring to the coaching fiascos in both Indiana and NY. With good established playoff talent in Indiana he lost all three playoffs in the first round, the last to the 6th seeded Celtics. The Knicks were a debacle, both as a coach, 56-108 and President 56-108 before that. Mix in there the embarrassing Larry Brown 5yr $60 million contract, to which he was gone after a year-trading for Eddy Curry instead of drafting LaMarcus Aldridge. And of course the cherry on top of the cake -the sexual harrassment lawsuit. Knicks fans of course loved his famous "welcome to the playoffs" declaration for a 39-43 team that promptly was swept in the first round. Three years as a college coach at FIU 26-65, and the Continental Basketball Association going bankrupt with him as the owner rounds things out. The NBA offered to buy the CBA from Thomas, but he arrogantly refused and the 55 year old league went under. The NY Times at the time wrote , "In the end, his foray into league ownership became a case study in how not to run a business."
Thomas, hilariously, went on to comment that he "wasn't in the running" when the Lakers coaching job became available, something nobody was asking him. There's so much more to write, but that's really enough. I was talking about a lot more than a few draft picks.

Well, in all fairness, if we're talking about more than draft picks, and you're going to talk about coaching, Phil probably gets remembered for winning 11 championships as a coach more than he will for "lucking out" on Porzingis.