Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[stevemcqueen1]

I'll sleep much better once the trade deadline has passed and Grunfeld hasn't made any moves.

Deathly afraid Grunfeld will pull a Porter + Mahinmi for Melo.

I think Porter is safe. I think. But we can't be sure. I'm also pretty sure that Melo would veto a trade to DC. Didn't he say the only teams he wants to play for are Cleveland and the Clippers? He wants to either play with his buddies or keep on losing in New York.

[queridiculo]

I think ultimately Melo just wants to get out that Knicks situation while being able to save face and rehabilitate his reputation at same time. Who knows where the Clippers and Cavs rumors came from, but I'm sure Anthony and his advisers have to realize that neither of those teams can offer anything approaching value.

If I were his agent I'd look as Washington as a great destination for my client. A team with two established young stars that have made noise in the playoffs before and that's playing in a major market to boot.

Anthony wouldn't have the pressure of being that dude, and anything up to the third seed being up for grabs there'd be a chance to get some decent playoff exposure.

For Grunfeld a move like this would be a twofer. He can have one of his infamous press conferences where he'll tell everybody what a great veteran presence Anthony is perhaps share some anecdotes about how close Washington's come in the past, while ridding himself of the contractual blunder he committed with Mahinmi.

When people question him about giving up on Porter he can always point at Oubre's development and quote precedent like the Thunder's move off Harden as an example of why he felt the need to make the trade. Something about John Wall, payroll fairness blha blah.

Leonsis gets to spew pixels about star power in DC, perhaps another quip about a real local hero, and how this was the kind of move they've been building towards.

Puke.

[Illmatic12]

Agreed nate, if we could trade just our pick for Nurkic I would have done that yesterday.

But I'm still a bit uneasy about Otto's impending contract status. If we were going to move OP, Chandler is a player I'd definitely view as a worthy replacemnt.

He isn't even remotely a worthy replacement. Flipping Porter for Chandler and Nurkic would be a disastrously bad trade.

Chandler is quite a good player. He doesn't shoot it like Otto but he's equal or better at everything else. One of the best rebounding wings in the league, high IQ cutter, great in transition, nice heads up passer.

And with his strength/athleticism he's better at defending 3/4s than Otto is.

If we were getting him AND Nurkic to round out our core with a young defensive big man, I would be pretty satisfied. I'm of the opinion that people are underrating the need on this team for defensive players. If we could exchange offense (Porter) for two starters who can defend + contribute offensively I consider that a win.

Not saying we have to trade Otto, we can keep him and roll with an offense-based team. But I challenge anyone to explain to me how the core of this team will ever be in the top-half of the league defensively, if Otto is our best defender at the 3-5 positions.

[gambitx777]

Can we just say no on trading porter. We has no threat of losing him in FA because he is a RFA. He is a top 10 SF probably close to top 5. how often do you get top ten, possible top 5 players at their positions? not often. You hold on to the with everything you got. If we want to go all in. We need to fix the bench any starters moved will not truly fix the problem. We can fix the bench with out moving a starter or Kelley or Tomas, but its going to take moving picks and im ok with that as long as its not a stupid trade.

[Meliorus]

Can we just say no on trading porter. We has no threat of losing him in FA because he is a RFA. He is a top 10 SF probably close to top 5. how often do you get top ten, possible top 5 players at their positions? not often. You hold on to the with everything you got. If we want to go all in. We need to fix the bench any starters moved will not truly fix the problem. We can fix the bench with out moving a starter or Kelley or Tomas, but its going to take moving picks and im ok with that as long as its not a stupid trade.

Porter is the 6th best SF in the league, right behind Butler, Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis, and Durant.

He's a little higher than Ariza, Hayward, and Paul George (having a down year) in terms of on-court impact, but it's debatable. Add in the factor of fit and Otto is perfect for the Wizards. Beal and Porter compliment Wall perfectly, and all 3 should be untouchable.

Ignore the box score stats, Chandler is a career loser whose teams are better when he's off the court. The dude is posting a negative DRPM and a negative RPM.

[NatP4]

I just saw Otto and Gortat for Vucevic or Kanter on bulletsforever

[Meliorus]

I just saw Otto and Gortat for Vucevic or Kanter on bulletsforever

People on BulletsForever have a fetish for European centers with a 2 inch vertical.

[AFM]

Stop giving bulletsforever that ad revenue. They don't deserve the 1/10th of a penny they get from my page view.

[deneem4]

Then thank God you are not the GM. Those guys would be disasters as defensive anchors. Kanter is a well known defensive sieve and ranks 65th out of 67 centers in DRPM. His defense is so bad that he can't manage to start despite being among the league leaders in PER and WS/48. Think about that.

Leonard and Hawes are so bad defensively that ESPN can't even bring themselves to classify them as centers. But their DRPM would rank them 52nd and 53rd out of 69 centers in DRPM. And have you looked at their numbers? Leonard is posting a PER of 7.8, a TS% of .483, and a WS/48 of .015. Hawes is posting a PER of 15 and a WS/48 of .093, but has only managed to steal 480 minutes of playing time this entire season on a .500 team with no true center.

I didn't list those guys to be defensive centers...they're stretch bigs who has better offense than gortat...
Hawes has been an OK defender...maybe not this year but he's not really a bad defender....

The thing they can bring is the stretch 5 ability which could help us spread the floor and attack when we cant get the jumpshots to fall...

We have mahimi still for a defensive center...

But having a 5 to spread the floor would make our shooters even more deadly and give them lanes to attack

Gortat has been bad defensively this year...anybody and every one has they way with him downlow...and most other bigs can stop him easily offensively

I like it when you fire up your Gortat bashes every single time he isn't providing 19/12 on .900 FG

I bet if we have had Mahinmi instead of Gortat and he averages 10/6 with a really questionable offense and good defense whilst missing 7 games due to some minor injuries (= Smith/Nicholson combo instead), you'd be bashing Ian instead 'he can't beat anybody and every one downlow ... and most other bigs can stop him easily offensively. he's useless. We should have had Bogut instead! and his defence is overrated, he can't stop KAT and Embiid,they scored 18 and 20 respectively!1!'.

I don't bash gortat because of his performance it's because of his fit...
Once again if we had some type of offensive weapon at the 5...it would open up everything else for our shooters and attackers...
Porter is the best finisher in the league at the rim from the wing
Beal is a very underrated attacker and finisher as well...

If we can open up the paint for those 2 more consistently we would have an elite offense
But with gortat we won't be able to see that potential

[gambitx777]

Can we just say no on trading porter. We has no threat of losing him in FA because he is a RFA. He is a top 10 SF probably close to top 5. how often do you get top ten, possible top 5 players at their positions? not often. You hold on to the with everything you got. If we want to go all in. We need to fix the bench any starters moved will not truly fix the problem. We can fix the bench with out moving a starter or Kelley or Tomas, but its going to take moving picks and im ok with that as long as its not a stupid trade.

Porter is the 6th best SF in the league, right behind Butler, Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis, and Durant.

He's a little higher than Ariza, Hayward, and Paul George (having a down year) in terms of on-court impact, but it's debatable. Add in the factor of fit and Otto is perfect for the Wizards. Beal and Porter compliment Wall perfectly, and all 3 should be untouchable.

Ignore the box score stats, Chandler is a career loser whose teams are better when he's off the court. The dude is posting a negative DRPM and a negative RPM.

Chandler would be an amazing back up, A lot of the denver fans coming over here are over valuing their players. Chandler would be an amazing grab because he can play the small ball 4 for some minute behind morris, But he is not worth porter, Vucivic is not worth porter. Like I said, im willing to spend picks to fix the bench. because we are a decent bench away from contending in the east. Trading for 1 guy or trading a starter does not help us fix the bench.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'm of the opinion that people are underrating the need on this team for defensive players. If we could exchange offense (Porter) for two starters who can defend + contribute offensively I consider that a win.

So your solution is to replace Otto with a guy who is a far worse defender? Just to add a back up C?

It's a terrible idea. It loses us a ton of value. Never trade paper for coins.

[NatP4]

I'm of the opinion that people are underrating the need on this team for defensive players. If we could exchange offense (Porter) for two starters who can defend + contribute offensively I consider that a win.

So your solution is to replace Otto with a guy who is a far worse defender? Just to add a back up C?

It's a terrible idea. It loses us a ton of value. Never trade paper for coins.

Especially when you have Oubre right behind Otto who provides the type of defense Otto can struggle with every once in awhile. And Otto can defend 4s

[dckingsfan]

None of these discussions would have been necessary if EG hadn't pulled down his pants and taken Mahinmi and Nicholson. Just the same team without those two would have given us flexibility at the trade deadline.

Can we go back in time? Are there do-overs in life?

[Illmatic12]

I'm of the opinion that people are underrating the need on this team for defensive players. If we could exchange offense (Porter) for two starters who can defend + contribute offensively I consider that a win.

So your solution is to replace Otto with a guy who is a far worse defender? Just to add a back up C?

It's a terrible idea. It loses us a ton of value. Never trade paper for coins.

I don't believe Chandler would be 'far worse' defensively than Otto - in fact he'd be more advantageous in some situations.

Who said back up C? Obviously if I didn't believe Nurkic could develop into our eventual longterm starting C, I wouldn't be proposing this. Imo this move would be selling high on Otto to acquire two starters (Nurkic as longterm C, and Chandler as short term SF/PF while Oubre develops)

[Illmatic12]

I'm of the opinion that people are underrating the need on this team for defensive players. If we could exchange offense (Porter) for two starters who can defend + contribute offensively I consider that a win.

So your solution is to replace Otto with a guy who is a far worse defender? Just to add a back up C?

It's a terrible idea. It loses us a ton of value. Never trade paper for coins.

Especially when you have Oubre right behind Otto who provides the type of defense Otto can struggle with every once in awhile. And Otto can defend 4s

Neither Oubre nor Otto can solve our defensive issues in the frontcourt. No one else sees that locking into a core with 30+yo big men is a problem?

[payitforward]

I'll sleep much better once the trade deadline has passed and Grunfeld hasn't made any moves.

Deathly afraid Grunfeld will pull a Porter + Mahinmi for Melo.

Ssssh, please -- don't repeat that! Scary.

[payitforward]

Can we just say no on trading porter. We has no threat of losing him in FA because he is a RFA. He is a top 10 SF probably close to top 5. how often do you get top ten, possible top 5 players at their positions? not often. You hold on to the with everything you got. If we want to go all in. We need to fix the bench any starters moved will not truly fix the problem. We can fix the bench with out moving a starter or Kelley or Tomas, but its going to take moving picks and im ok with that as long as its not a stupid trade.

Porter is the 6th best SF in the league, right behind Butler, Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis, and Durant.

He's a little higher than Ariza, Hayward, and Paul George (having a down year) in terms of on-court impact, but it's debatable. Add in the factor of fit and Otto is perfect for the Wizards. Beal and Porter compliment Wall perfectly, and all 3 should be untouchable.

Ignore the box score stats, Chandler is a career loser whose teams are better when he's off the court. The dude is posting a negative DRPM and a negative RPM.

Why ignore the box score stats?

TS%
otto -- .632
wc -- .531

Turnovers per 48m
otto -- 1.1
wc -- 2.5

Steals per 48m
otto -- 2.2
wc -- 1.2

Wilson Chandler is not "a pretty good player" as someone called him. He's a pretty bad player. The idea of Porter for Nurkic & Chandler is a nightmare.

[Sluggerface]

I'll sleep much better once the trade deadline has passed and Grunfeld hasn't made any moves.

Deathly afraid Grunfeld will pull a Porter + Mahinmi for Melo.

God. I actually like the idea of this trade as a sole reason to get out of the Mahinmi deal and cut ties with melo in two years (assuming he exercises ETO). I'd even throw in a 2018 first and Nicholson to get O'quinn as well.

[Meliorus]

Can we just say no on trading porter. We has no threat of losing him in FA because he is a RFA. He is a top 10 SF probably close to top 5. how often do you get top ten, possible top 5 players at their positions? not often. You hold on to the with everything you got. If we want to go all in. We need to fix the bench any starters moved will not truly fix the problem. We can fix the bench with out moving a starter or Kelley or Tomas, but its going to take moving picks and im ok with that as long as its not a stupid trade.

Porter is the 6th best SF in the league, right behind Butler, Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis, and Durant.

He's a little higher than Ariza, Hayward, and Paul George (having a down year) in terms of on-court impact, but it's debatable. Add in the factor of fit and Otto is perfect for the Wizards. Beal and Porter compliment Wall perfectly, and all 3 should be untouchable.

Ignore the box score stats, Chandler is a career loser whose teams are better when he's off the court. The dude is posting a negative DRPM and a negative RPM.

Why ignore the box score stats?

TS%
otto -- .632
wc -- .531

Turnovers per 48m
otto -- 1.1
wc -- 2.5

Steals per 48m
otto -- 2.2
wc -- 1.2

Wilson Chandler is not "a pretty good player" as someone called him. He's a pretty bad player. The idea of Porter for Nurkic & Chandler is a nightmare.

OK so Chandler's box score numbers are trash and his advanced numbers are trash, why are we even considering him? Why do we want the 36th best small forward in the league for the 6th best small forward in the league? Why do we want the 29 year old when we have the 23 year old? Because Nurkic is thrown in???

[queridiculo]

I'll sleep much better once the trade deadline has passed and Grunfeld hasn't made any moves.

Deathly afraid Grunfeld will pull a Porter + Mahinmi for Melo.

God. I actually like the idea of this trade as a sole reason to get out of the Mahinmi deal and cut ties with melo in two years (assuming he exercises ETO). I'd even throw in a 2018 first and Nicholson to get O'quinn as well.

Watch the Knicks land Lonzo Ball and have Porzingis, Porter and him kick the Wizards asses for years.

No thanks.