Opponent 3PT Attempts vs Hornets

[catch20two]

Used that page I posted and see that teams shoot 39% from 3 with Cody on the floor. That's not gonna work. I understand MA's point about the arbitrariness of OPP 3PT%, but I think it's a scheme issue and we need to chill on the doubles that leave ATB shooters.

You might be looking at it wrong. I don't see anywhere where it says opponents are shooting 39% with Cody on the floor. I think we are shooting 39% from 3 when Cody is on the floor because the constant PnRs open up so much.

[yosemiteben]

Used that page I posted and see that teams shoot 39% from 3 with Cody on the floor. That's not gonna work. I understand MA's point about the arbitrariness of OPP 3PT%, but I think it's a scheme issue and we need to chill on the doubles that leave ATB shooters.

You might be looking at it wrong. I don't see anywhere where it says opponents are shooting 39% with Cody on the floor. I think we are shooting 39% from 3 when Cody is on the floor because the constant PnRs open up so much.

Oh lol you're right, that was our 3PT%. No more stat looking at the bar for me.

[Mystical Apples]

Yosemite, Henson is better than all of our backup bigs and maybe our starting big. He definitely moves a needle.

Nah *Giannis* moves the needle for MIL. In fact he carries the needle.

With this said then you're saying that neither Zeller or Frank move the needle for us because they aren't our best player.

No, I'm saying Giannis is awesome and Henson is along for the ride. Without G they're a 25-win team and Monroe would be starting with Henson battling Plumlee for scraps.....not a great look for 2 players on ~ $50M contracts that just kicked in.

Speaking of which, Monroe is the Bucks C who could help CHA's 2nd unit. He's a poor defender and I wouldn't want his 2017-18 Player Option but he's been quite good so far.

[Mystical Apples]

It's more of a 1-4 PnP thing. The ATB shot is oftentimes on the recovery and leaves CHA susceptible to PnP 4's and weakside wings on the rotation, thus the massive number of contests for Marvin, Frank, MKG, and Lamb on spot ups. Switching helps but it's as much about Kemba's stature as it is the center....can't switch the 1 and too many open passing lanes over the PnR without the 4.

As an aside, this is why teams with scoring 4's can give CHA headaches particularly if they have a lengthier PnR PG. The PF's are forced to stay home (think NOP with AD) which leaves CHA's guards to climb over screens and defend straight up or bring help. Holiday, Galloway killing CHA on 3's, and last season Tyreke and Ryan Anderson when AD sat.

Against those teams is where CHA could really use a rim protector or a longer 1, not necessarily starters but options off the bench if needed. It's also why a Marco + Lamb back court is intriguing with Roy back stopping.

[Snidely FC]

defending 3s isn't CHA's only problem with the 3 pt line. Last night v MIA team was 5-26 from 3! that's 19%. ugh

3 pt season avgs:
MKG 16%
Lamb 23%
Hawes 24%
Frank 28%
Sessions 31%
Nic 33%
Marv 35% (league average)

this on a team that is supposed to run a 4 out 1 in offense. Kemba and Marco both 40+%. We need more reliable outside shooting to keep up when the other team starts schwacking 3s.

[yosemiteben]

Interesting piece from back in December analyzing our defense and points out a good bit about what we talk about here, with lots of helpful video clips (might have already been posted): http://bballbreakdown.com/2016/12/16/the-charlotte-hornets-swarming-defense/

Not to beat a dead horse, but I don't think our defensive tendencies are at all the result of covering for Cody, I think it's pretty clearly the way Cliff's scheme is intended to operate.

[fatlever]

Surprisingly, the Hornets are not elite in deterring opponents from penetrating. Currently, Charlotte gives up about 27.1 drives per 100 possessions, falling right in the middle of the pack for NBA defenses. However, these drives tend to result in kickouts more than shots at the rim, as only three defenses in the league force a higher percentage of passes off of drives. The Hornets’ focus is on condensing around the ball, forming a wall around the lane.

Given the Hornets’ emphasis on swarming ball handlers in the lane, one of the keys of Charlotte’s defense is how their defenders recover back to their perimeter assignments. Sometimes, the Hornets like to close out with the closest player to the pass catcher, even if it isn’t necessarily their man.

These “impromptu switches” on rotations help Charlotte seem like their defense is never really at a disadvantage, even on kickouts to the perimeter.

^ I dunno about that last part

However, sometimes it’s just not feasible for Charlotte to be able to recover to the perimeter in time to make an impact. Because of this focus on interior defense, the Hornets’ perimeter defense can be a little leaky at times. Inevitably, opponents are able to attempt plenty of 3-pointers against Charlotte. Currently, the Hornets are giving up more 3-pointers per 100 possessions (30.6) than any other team in the NBA. Furthermore, only 76.1 percent of these 3-point attempts are contested, the sixth-lowest mark in the league.

Article does a good job of agreeing with the feel-o-meter. Swarm players that enter the paint, force kickouts, they scrambled like crazy to recover to shooters. Allow a ton of 3PTA, let randomness of 3PTM play a huge factor in ability to win games.

[euphorbus]

Surprisingly, the Hornets are not elite in deterring opponents from penetrating. Currently, Charlotte gives up about 27.1 drives per 100 possessions, falling right in the middle of the pack for NBA defenses. However, these drives tend to result in kickouts more than shots at the rim, as only three defenses in the league force a higher percentage of passes off of drives. The Hornets’ focus is on condensing around the ball, forming a wall around the lane.

Article does a good job of agreeing with the feel-o-meter. Swarm players that enter the paint, force kickouts, they scrambled like crazy to recover to shooters. Allow a ton of 3PTA, let randomness of 3PTM play a huge factor in ability to win games.

"A wall around the lane" is a good way to describe it. I see the Hornets' defense as a combination of zone and man-to-man coverage. They are not alone, as it is a popular formula right now. I see it with the Tar Heels, too. Essentially, two men stand next to the lane on the weak side, one near the basket, one near the free throw line. The other three men cover individual players on the strong side of the court. This facilitates close coverage of the ball-handler, good defensive rebounding, and strong coverage of drives into the lane or near the basket.

The problem arises when the other team swings the ball to the weak side. The Hornets lack the speed to recover in time to close out 3-point shooters. If you have Danny Green standing in the corner, and Marco Belinelli standing near the basket, there is no way Marco is going to get a hand in his face. Most often, the defender is a good four or five feet away from the shooter when the ball leaves his hand. In the case of Green, the Spurs made three passes, swinging the ball from one corner to the other around the horn.

As a result, teams that can pass well shoot record numbers of three-pointers against Charlotte, and there is little the players can do about it. Tonight's game against Houston will likely be more of the same.

[Mystical Apples]

I wonder how much it's related to fewer offensive TOV's, few transition baskets surrendered, lack of fouling, lack of gambling for steals, defensive rebounding, and removing cutting action?

Reason might dictate we're indirectly capturing *good* basketball in the 3PA measurement and incorrectly assigning everything a negative value.

[catch20two]

Surprisingly, the Hornets are not elite in deterring opponents from penetrating. Currently, Charlotte gives up about 27.1 drives per 100 possessions, falling right in the middle of the pack for NBA defenses. However, these drives tend to result in kickouts more than shots at the rim, as only three defenses in the league force a higher percentage of passes off of drives. The Hornets’ focus is on condensing around the ball, forming a wall around the lane.

Article does a good job of agreeing with the feel-o-meter. Swarm players that enter the paint, force kickouts, they scrambled like crazy to recover to shooters. Allow a ton of 3PTA, let randomness of 3PTM play a huge factor in ability to win games.

"A wall around the lane" is a good way to describe it. I see the Hornets' defense as a combination of zone and man-to-man coverage. They are not alone, as it is a popular formula right now. I see it with the Tar Heels, too. Essentially, two men stand next to the lane on the weak side, one near the basket, one near the free throw line. The other three men cover individual players on the strong side of the court. This facilitates close coverage of the ball-handler, good defensive rebounding, and strong coverage of drives into the lane or near the basket.

The problem arises when the other team swings the ball to the weak side. The Hornets lack the speed to recover in time to close out 3-point shooters. If you have Danny Green standing in the corner, and Marco Belinelli standing near the basket, there is no way Marco is going to get a hand in his face. Most often, the defender is a good four or five feet away from the shooter when the ball leaves his hand. In the case of Green, the Spurs made three passes, swinging the ball from one corner to the other around the horn.

As a result, teams that can pass well shoot record numbers of three-pointers against Charlotte, and there is little the players can do about it. Tonight's game against Houston will likely be more of the same.

This is where trading for a player that you know can block or alter just about every shot at the rim come into play. Our players would be less reluctant to sink so deep into the paint if they knew they had someone defending at the rim that'll make the opposing team think twice about shooting in the paint.

[fatlever]

Not that it should be any surprise, but the Hornets are on pace to set the NBA record for most opponent 3PTA in a season, 30.7 per game. We are also just a hair behind the Kings, 11.1 to 10.9 per game, for the record for most opponent made 3s in a season.