If We Sign KCP, We will be Stuck This Team.

[joedumars1]

Is $18.5m a max?


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Nope. That's kinda why I said 18.5mill, but didn't elaborate

What's that got to do with the price of eggs? Lol. Are you insinuating that it could happen or what's the point of your post?

KCP is finally hitting the 3 at 40% while playing good defence but scoring just less than 15ppg doesn't make him a dependable two-way player just yet. Does his development appear to be trending in the right direction? Yes. Does that mean a team like PHI or BKN will sign him to. max in case he makes it? No. That's not good cap management for a team that has a real handle at being a perennial contender and will need $ to resign guys in PHI or a team finally clearing bad contracts for a chance if an actual future in BKN. A bad contract is still a bad contract. We may need to pay a little extra to resign him but it won't and shouldn't be for max money


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Really no point, lol. He is going to get paid. Idk how much, but not sure I want to lose him. If we do lose him we don't have any money to sign anyone anyways so why not pay him?

[Canadafan]

Or we trade him along with Tobias or Marcus and Stanley for Butler or George . Two guys that make about $8mil less than what KCP is gonna get per year. Reggie Drummond and Butler or George with Tobias or Marcus is purdy nice

[Redeemed]

Gores has already spoken on the issue of KCP getting paid. It is pretty much a done deal. KCP endured playing under Cheeks and Loyer, two dudes who gave him little to no respect. He has played through his deficiencies. And now he is developing into one of the top SGs in the league.

[whitehops]

being "stuck" with young players is an odd way of looking at things.

here's the age of players when they first became all stars:

kyle lowry - 28 (9th season)
john wall - 23 (4th season)
paul millsap - 28 (8th season)
isaiah thomas - 26 (5th season)
demar derozan - 24 (5th season)
steph curry - 25 (5th season)
kawhi leonard - 24 (5th season)
lamarcus aldridge - 26 (6th season)
demarcus cousins - 24 (5th season)
jimmy butler - 25 (4th season)
draymond green - 25 (4th season)
pau gasol - 25 (5th season)
marc gasol - 27 (4th season)


here's the core of the pistons:
KCP - 23 (4th season)
harris - 24 (6th season)
morris - 27 (6th season)
drummond - 23 (5th season)
jackson - 26 (6th season)
johnson - 20 (2nd season)


i'm not trying to say that the pistons core will all be all stars, i'm just trying to highlight just how long it took a lot of the league's best players to become all stars. let's assume it takes them on average until about their 5th-6th season and about 25-26 years old, the only two players at that threshold are morris and jackson. and that threshold isn't even their best, that's the first year those players became all stars. pretty much every one of them continued to get better as they got older. i hope this just reiterates that we have to wait until our young core improves.

there are obviously players like lebron, KD, harden, etc. who were all stars in their 2nd/3rd year at age 21 or 22 but the majority of all star players took longer to develop. as long as you can come to terms with us not having one of those players then i don't think you should be too upset on being "stuck" with our group of guys.

[TurboTitan]

Do posters see the "All things KCP thread" and say f* it???

LMAOOOO WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY

[Pharaoh]

being "stuck" with young players is an odd way of looking at things.

here's the age of players when they first became all stars:

kyle lowry - 28 (9th season)
john wall - 23 (4th season)
paul millsap - 28 (8th season)
isaiah thomas - 26 (5th season)
demar derozan - 24 (5th season)
steph curry - 25 (5th season)
kawhi leonard - 24 (5th season)
lamarcus aldridge - 26 (6th season)
demarcus cousins - 24 (5th season)
jimmy butler - 25 (4th season)
draymond green - 25 (4th season)
pau gasol - 25 (5th season)
marc gasol - 27 (4th season)


here's the core of the pistons:
KCP - 23 (4th season)
harris - 24 (6th season)
morris - 27 (6th season)
drummond - 23 (5th season)
jackson - 26 (6th season)
johnson - 20 (2nd season)


i'm not trying to say that the pistons core will all be all stars, i'm just trying to highlight just how long it took a lot of the league's best players to become all stars. let's assume it takes them on average until about their 5th-6th season and about 25-26 years old, the only two players at that threshold are morris and jackson. and that threshold isn't even their best, that's the first year those players became all stars. pretty much every one of them continued to get better as they got older. i hope this just reiterates that we have to wait until our young core improves.

there are obviously players like lebron, KD, harden, etc. who were all stars in their 2nd/3rd year at age 21 or 22 but the majority of all star players took longer to develop. as long as you can come to terms with us not having one of those players then i don't think you should be too upset on being "stuck" with our group of guys.

Not to be that guy but:

Every generation has to displace the last, established one. That takes time yeah?

NOTE: I agree on keeping the majority of our team together

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[In SVG We Trust]

I would keep the whole team excepting Dre and Reggie. They need to leave this team ASAP while they still got some market value.

I'm seriously thinking to trade for Noel would be the best option for this team right now.

[Snakebites]

If he's worth the money you sign him. If he's not you don't. No contract is unmovable in this league, so no, I don't think we're "stuck" with anything.

[Canadafan]

Will he play tmrw??

[Billl]

"here's the age of players when they first became all stars:"

Pretty meaningless stat there. Sure, steph didn't make the all-star team for a few years, but he put up 17/6 as rookie. LA put up 18/8 his 2nd year. The only guy on that list that took a while to establish himself as a top talent is Lowry.

You've also conveniently left off most of the true stars. Top players are usually quite apparent in the first year or 2. They might have to put in some time before they are recognized over established stars, but it's pretty rare for someone to go from roll-player in year 5 to all-star.

[tmorgan]

As much as I like some of his skills, it's apparent to me Reggie Jackson is the main problem we have. The dude bogs down the offense and **** up the defense. Yes, he's clutch, and yes, he has near elite driving skills, but he doesn't see the floor well for a PG, doesn't have enough stamina, and doesn't defend well. He's a 6th man on a real contender.

I didn't want to say this, and I know I'm not the first, but I do see it now.

Andre I'll be more patient with, although it's clear his mentality is lowering his ceiling and likely always will.

KCP, though... PAY THAT MAN.

[coordinator0]

I didn't want to say this, and I know I'm not the first, but I do see it now.

Yeah, I was at that point two or three weeks ago. Before this season and given what happened on the court last season I think most of us believed that Reggie's ability to score was something the team sorely needed. Nobody else could reliably. Fast forward to this season we've seen Caldwell-Pope progress a good bit and Harris has as well, or at least has gelled with the rest of the team. Leuer has been a big upgrade over Tolliver and then Smith, despite his recent struggles, is also a giant upgrade over Blake. Jackson's iso scoring isn't really needed nor is that style coming from the starting point guard a positive for the team.

He has to go... but will Van Gundy and Bower have the guts to actually make that kind of move? It sounds like Stan is going all-in on how the majority of the roster is constructed so I don't have much faith in Reggie being moved unless things really go wrong over the next three months. Then maybe he's gone after the season. Maybe.

[Manocad]

KCP = the Pistons' Matt Stafford?