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Re: Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice! 

Post#1221 » by truth18 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:17 pm

Homerclease wrote:
ddb wrote:Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Memphis18, Boston19 for Brook Lopez & Bojan Bogdanovic works. I'm not a big Lopez fan, but he and Bojan joining the current core makes us really interesting.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Lopez with Smart-Brown-Bojan-Jonas-KO-Green

We keep the BK picks. We wont be able to sign a max player this offseason but we will be able to sign a couple good less than max guys. In 2018 we could be free agent players when there is a stronger free agent group.

BK gets a couple first rounders. Not their own picks (lol), but at least late firsts. man, that organization is screwed for the next few years.

Terrible. Why tinker with a good thing. The nets suck and will continue to suck. Lopez and bogdonavich do nothing for the Celtics either


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Post#1222 » by SMTBSI » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:24 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:From what I've read, the RFA cap hold change will begin in the 2018-19 season, not this off-season. Noel's cap hold will still be 250% of his current salary, not 300%.

Hum. I've seen that in a couple of places now. You may be right. I was going off of Smitty's figures. Need to get this answered definitively. Would definitely be helpful if true.
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Re: Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice! 

Post#1223 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:24 pm

Homerclease wrote:
ddb wrote:Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Memphis18, Boston19 for Brook Lopez & Bojan Bogdanovic works. I'm not a big Lopez fan, but he and Bojan joining the current core makes us really interesting.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Lopez with Smart-Brown-Bojan-Jonas-KO-Green

We keep the BK picks. We wont be able to sign a max player this offseason but we will be able to sign a couple good less than max guys. In 2018 we could be free agent players when there is a stronger free agent group.

BK gets a couple first rounders. Not their own picks (lol), but at least late firsts. man, that organization is screwed for the next few years.

Terrible. Why tinker with a good thing. The nets suck and will continue to suck. Lopez and bogdonavich do nothing for the Celtics either


Agree. That's making a trade just for the sake of making one.
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Re: Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice! 

Post#1224 » by Bohemian » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:45 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
ddb wrote:Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Memphis18, Boston19 for Brook Lopez & Bojan Bogdanovic works. I'm not a big Lopez fan, but he and Bojan joining the current core makes us really interesting.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Lopez with Smart-Brown-Bojan-Jonas-KO-Green

We keep the BK picks. We wont be able to sign a max player this offseason but we will be able to sign a couple good less than max guys. In 2018 we could be free agent players when there is a stronger free agent group.

BK gets a couple first rounders. Not their own picks (lol), but at least late firsts. man, that organization is screwed for the next few years.

Terrible. Why tinker with a good thing. The nets suck and will continue to suck. Lopez and bogdonavich do nothing for the Celtics either


Agree. That's making a trade just for the sake of making one.


I disagree: Bogdanovic is a very good shooter and Lopez is a quality big man. It´s not like we would be trading for another combo guard. Plus, you don´t give up too much to the Nets. Listen, we can´t rip off the Nets everytime we trade with them :lol:
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Post#1225 » by Homerclease » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:56 pm

Bohemian wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Terrible. Why tinker with a good thing. The nets suck and will continue to suck. Lopez and bogdonavich do nothing for the Celtics either


Agree. That's making a trade just for the sake of making one.


I disagree: Bogdanovic is a very good shooter and Lopez is a quality big man. It´s not like we would be trading for another combo guard. Plus, you don´t give up too much to the Nets. Listen, we can´t rip off the Nets everytime we trade with them :lol:

What does bogs give that Green doesn't? Good shooters who can't defend. Who are you cutting out of the rotation to give bogs minutes? Brown? Can't get behind that idea.

Lopez is a fine offensive player but he's a sloth who can't defend the pick and roll to save his life, kills our cap space and isn't a good rebounder to boot either. Factor in his age and injury history and it's a big no for me
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Post#1226 » by smart_celtics » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:57 pm

Bohemian wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Terrible. Why tinker with a good thing. The nets suck and will continue to suck. Lopez and bogdonavich do nothing for the Celtics either


Agree. That's making a trade just for the sake of making one.


I disagree: Bogdanovic is a very good shooter and Lopez is a quality big man. It´s not like we would be trading for another combo guard. Plus, you don´t give up too much to the Nets. Listen, we can´t rip off the Nets everytime we trade with them :lol:


Who is Bogdanovic playing over? Jaylen? At best he replaces Gerald Green and I am just not sure why we are trading to replace such an unimportant player whose time will be gone when the playoff rotation shortens.

Now that Crowder's shooting 40% from 3, I think we have a good collection of shooters in the rotation excluding Smart, Jaylen and Amir (think IT, AB, Crowder, Horford, Olynyk, and Jerebko). Also all of our shooters are not horrible defenders like Bogdanovic.
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Re: Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice! 

Post#1227 » by truth18 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:58 pm

Bohemian wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Terrible. Why tinker with a good thing. The nets suck and will continue to suck. Lopez and bogdonavich do nothing for the Celtics either


Agree. That's making a trade just for the sake of making one.


Lopez is a quality big man.


Quality big man or quality player?

Not to mention his constantly breaking feet.
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Post#1228 » by ddb » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:17 pm

i dont like Lopez so im not really on board with my own trade idea either haha
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Post#1229 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:31 pm

If you could just obtain Melo for one season without giving up any big asset... I'd do it. I think he gives us enough to get through Toronto in a 7 game series. Unfortunately he's not an expiring contract and I don't want to give up any assets not named ZellerYoung for him.
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Post#1230 » by SparringPartner » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:31 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:I disagree regarding Bradley. Three of the top 5 prospects in the draft would fit in very nicely as a 2 next to IT. We need to begin to seriously contemplate how Ball or Fultz or Jackson will fit our roster. The off guard spot is probably best for all of them.


I agree with your premise, but I don't think its I.Thomas that fits best with a Fultz or Ball. Avery fits much better as he's one of the best two-way players in the league. He's also not a volume shooter or would ever want to be IMO. These potential PG's in the 2017 draft have size. An AB and Fultz/Ball back-court would be insane. I also think AB takes the hometown discount (if $20M a year is a hometown discount) as it seems he's not ego driven and it appears he loves the Celtics/Boston. We know IT is awaiting the brinks truck and will show no loyalty to this team when the time comes (I'm not mad about it either).

I just can't see Ainge paying a 5'8 scorer $25M+ a year. Ainge is a basketball purist. He always thought of IT as a Vinnie Johnson type 6th man. It wouldn't surprise me if he still does. Ainge is probably waiting to pounce on the sucker who overpays for IT.
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Post#1231 » by CeltsfaninDC » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:42 pm

Edug27 wrote:If you could just obtain Melo for one season without giving up any big asset... I'd do it. I think he gives us enough to get through Toronto in a 7 game series. Unfortunately he's not an expiring contract and I don't want to give up any assets not named ZellerYoung for him.

0% chance of that happening. He has a no trade clause and the Knicks will not give him up for nothing. If he did force a trade it wouldn't be to the Cs
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Post#1232 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:47 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Edug27 wrote:If you could just obtain Melo for one season without giving up any big asset... I'd do it. I think he gives us enough to get through Toronto in a 7 game series. Unfortunately he's not an expiring contract and I don't want to give up any assets not named ZellerYoung for him.

0% chance of that happening. He has a no trade clause and the Knicks will not give him up for nothing. If he did force a trade it wouldn't be to the Cs


Personally, I think the Knicks would give him up for a mid-late first rd pick and a player like James Young or Rozier (and expirings). I think they just want him off their hands to be honest. If he was willing to lift that clause, he'd be out of there by now.... Only problem is I don't see Melo having interesting in Boston. I can see the Clips for obvious reasons. But then again, Boston is a hop skip and a jump from NYC. It would be like he never left. Haha. Not saying it'll happen, just hypothetical.
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Post#1233 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:51 pm

Edug27 wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Edug27 wrote:If you could just obtain Melo for one season without giving up any big asset... I'd do it. I think he gives us enough to get through Toronto in a 7 game series. Unfortunately he's not an expiring contract and I don't want to give up any assets not named ZellerYoung for him.

0% chance of that happening. He has a no trade clause and the Knicks will not give him up for nothing. If he did force a trade it wouldn't be to the Cs


Personally, I think the Knicks would give him up for a mid-late first rd pick and a player like James Young or Rozier (and expirings). I think they just want him off their hands to be honest. If he was willing to lift that clause, he'd be out of there by now.... Only problem is I don't see Melo having interesting in Boston. I can see the Clips for obvious reasons. But then again, Boston is a hop skip and a jump from NYC. It would be like he never left. Haha. Not saying it'll happen, just hypothetical.

Celtics offense is based on ball movement. Melo would kill the Celtics with his isolation. Really bad idea.
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Post#1234 » by Edug27 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:53 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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CeltsfaninDC wrote:0% chance of that happening. He has a no trade clause and the Knicks will not give him up for nothing. If he did force a trade it wouldn't be to the Cs


Personally, I think the Knicks would give him up for a mid-late first rd pick and a player like James Young or Rozier (and expirings). I think they just want him off their hands to be honest. If he was willing to lift that clause, he'd be out of there by now.... Only problem is I don't see Melo having interesting in Boston. I can see the Clips for obvious reasons. But then again, Boston is a hop skip and a jump from NYC. It would be like he never left. Haha. Not saying it'll happen, just hypothetical.

Celtics offense is based on ball movement. Melo would kill the Celtics with his isolation. Really bad idea.


They said that about Durant... They said that about IT...
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Post#1235 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:15 pm

Btw, Melo is not coming dudes. I read somewhere that he doesn't even like the C's and his pompous wife wouldn't want to live in Boston. Also I absolutely do not want to see Anthony in green.
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Post#1236 » by Asian Celtic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:29 pm

I DON'T want Melo and his overrated ass.
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Post#1237 » by pasfru » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:46 pm

Looks like we'll just have to settle for LeBron then.

Does Rozier and Zeller do it?
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Post#1238 » by Asian Celtic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:09 pm

Between lebron and Smart = who flops more?
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Post#1239 » by jirrit » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:19 pm

Valid wrote:
Renegade_H wrote:
Valid wrote:Here's what I don't understand: why would you offer a max deal to a guy whom you aren't even giving consistent minutes to? I mean, Noel has been frustrated with his playing time, and that is with Simmons still out. Once Simmons returns, his playing time will drop even further.


Noel is strictly a 5. If we extend Noel and deal Okafor this offseason, he is splitting time with Embiid. And I dont see Embiid being a 30+ minute player on Sixers with a Noel backup. Saves Embiid from the hard minutes.

Simmons would be a positive impact on Noel. A true passer and scorer to open up lanes. Hes our PG like Giannis.

Wouldn't you want Embiid getting 30+ minutes next season, though?


They're gonna give two maxes for two players using 1/5th of the available minutes ;-)
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Post#1240 » by jirrit » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:30 pm

I know one thing, if I were Danny I'd be scratching my head like a motherfcker. So many options, it would kill my mind.

*edit: me being a libra might add to it but dayum such important decisions, so many options ugh

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