Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread

[Smash3]

Drafting has been pretty good, only reaches were Jabari, Booker and maybe Wiggins so far.

[El Poochio]

If the injury happened during the draft it's wack to hold it against a guy. Now if someone drafts Duchess of Cambridge for example who hasn't played the entire season, then yea I could see holding it against the person.

Name drops tear drops pls

Doubt he gets taken but My bad lol

Bottom of the barrel scraps aka waiver wire

[bringbackhoffa]

Drafting has been pretty good, only reaches were Jabari, Booker and maybe Wiggins so far.

Nah I think Wiggins was a good pick at this time, had him going just about now or a bit earlier. But Booker and Jabari I agree with.

[pelifan]

Easier solution, just make it injury free, this is a fantasy land anyway, I mean depth, injury proneness, durability, fitness still comes into play within this fantasy world but the real life injuries started to happen after the draft started (ie this world created) shouldnt injure their clones or their versions in a different dimension like this one

That's a weird statement even for you.

The GOAT Commish just said the same thing lol

I mean the Bolded

[Smash3]

I agree with Swiss, if we´re going to keep it as realistic as possible these things happen every season to teams. Championships and playoff berths are lost because of an injury to a key player. If you end up drafting a player who is out for the season I think there should be some compensation, but I don´t think we can just overlook the fact that a teams best player is currently not capable of playing basketball.

[El Poochio]

I'm of a different belief...yes, this is fantasy land, but the point of "REALgm" is to make a competition like this as REAL as possible. We're judging this as a win-now for this season based on the progression/regression of the current NBA. Why wouldn't injuries be taken into consideration? Why should I judge a Derrick Rose any differently based on his injury history, than potentially a guy like Rudy Gay who is now out for the year, but never had injury concerns? Obviously injury history plays its role, but I don't believe I should excuse a players current injury status because it's "not fair" to the GM who selected him. Anybody feel bad for Doc Rivers and the Clippers for Chris Paul's upcoming 1-2 month absence? Should the rest of the NBA play the games with Raymond Felton's in-game sliders turned up to CP3's attributes? Injuries happen and they should be factored.

Yes, a 6th round pick doesn't make up for a 1st or 2nd round loss...but it does help and allows them to at least add a piece to help offset some of that. They keep the player who was drafted initially. Depending on when the injury occurs, you factor that players contributions during the regular season up until that point. But why should I be judging a team in a playoff series playing a player who is out for the playoffs? God forbid a scenario in which one of these players dies in-season...do I judge his team as if he were still alive?

Cuz its random, player progression of course should come into play cuz its not random lol its related with your pick and choosing that particular player, taking random injuries into account where you have no control about is against the concept of this game imo

[Smash3]

Drafting has been pretty good, only reaches were Jabari, Booker and maybe Wiggins so far.

Nah I think Wiggins was a good pick at this time, had him going just about now or a bit earlier. But Booker and Jabari I agree with.

I could see that, but there are other players who are available that would have a bigger impact in winning games.

[swisscheeseD]

I agree with Swiss, if we´re going to keep it as realistic as possible these things happen every season to teams. Championships and playoff berths are lost because of an injury to a key player. If you end up drafting a player who is out for the season I think there should be some compensation, but I don´t think we can just overlook the fact that a teams best player is currently not capable of playing basketball.

GS's former Center goes down last year in the NBA Finals, then all of a sudden LeBron and the Cavs win 3 straight and bring Cleveland it's first title in forever.

On the flip side...the previous season Love was out for the playoffs and Irving gets hurt in the Finals and the Cavs lose to the Warriors.

If this is meant to be as realistic as possible, those out for the season / playoff injuries need to be taken into consideration.

[Mecca]

Drafting has been pretty good, only reaches were Jabari, Booker and maybe Wiggins so far.

Jabari's not a reach, lmao. Only to people that aren't tuned into the Bucks or not following the small market teams closely. Jabari is outplaying Melo/KP this year, one went 37/the other 21.

21 PPG / .50 from the floor / .417 from 3 without iso'ing with elite skill sets. I'll sip my tea to that. Now I know how ibraheim g

[swisscheeseD]

It's why depth is so important to me. Backing up aging/injury prone players with guys who can fill a role, but step up when called upon if needed, is so key to teams not just in the regular season, but especially in the playoffs.

Its why fit and identity are so important too. Some of those players off the bench may not be as talented, but if they fit the scheme and identity of the ball club, that elevates their talent to the point of respectability...and you can see it work, as opposed to fitting the square pegs into the round hole.

[Mecca]

The issue with BAT, is so much comes down to perception and it's difficult to evaluate other people's teams when not everyone has the same amount of research or analysis on every single player, thus players on upward trends normally get disrespected.

Wiggins was a very good pick this late. Wiggins has disappointed this year, but in the late 2nd round, scorers become a premium.

[Knicksfan1992]

Looking to move into the late 3rd round or early 4th... Can offer any combination of my 3 5th round picks or my 6th round pick...PM if interested.

[swisscheeseD]

FWIW...Parker wasn't so much a reach. Were there better win-now impact players available at the time of his selection? Sure. But Parker was a sure-fire 2nd Round selection, and if he fit the GM's vision, was player he really wanted, he is the one who ultimately has to decide if its too risky trading down to get his guy. There were only 2 other players who fit that Parker role worth taking at that selection in Love and Melo, both of which come with their own flaws to consider (especially on this board).

On the other hand, there was no reason whatsoever that Devin Booker was selected before Klay Thompson, who is a much more complete player than both Love and Melo.

[El Poochio]

I agree with Swiss, if we´re going to keep it as realistic as possible these things happen every season to teams. Championships and playoff berths are lost because of an injury to a key player. If you end up drafting a player who is out for the season I think there should be some compensation, but I don´t think we can just overlook the fact that a teams best player is currently not capable of playing basketball.

GS's former Center goes down last year in the NBA Finals, then all of a sudden LeBron and the Cavs win 3 straight and bring Cleveland it's first title in forever.

On the flip side...the previous season Love was out for the playoffs and Irving gets hurt in the Finals and the Cavs lose to the Warriors.

If this is meant to be as realistic as possible, those out for the season / playoff injuries need to be taken into consideration.

But you are thinking about in real life concepts, here, you want to pick a winner by judging which is not realistic in itself, if you take a random real injury into account when picking the winner might as well do a lottery to pick a winner which is as random as Rudy Gay injury for instance, when the winner is decided by random event dont see the point of all the judging, and picking a winner myself, instead of putting up a lottery

Injury-free, was just an idea to try to tackle the question that keeps arising every draft

[Smash3]

Drafting has been pretty good, only reaches were Jabari, Booker and maybe Wiggins so far.

Jabari's not a reach, lmao. Only to people that aren't tuned into the Bucks or not following the small market teams closely. Jabari is outplaying Melo/KP this year, one went 37/the other 21.

21 PPG / .50 from the floor / .417 from 3 without iso'ing with elite skill sets. I'll sip my tea to that. Now I know how ibraheim g

I´m pretty sure Parker like Wiggins would've been available by late 40s is what I´m saying.

[Mecca]

FWIW...Parker wasn't so much a reach. Were there better win-now impact players available at the time of his selection? Sure. But Parker was a sure-fire 2nd Round selection, and if he fit the GM's vision, was player he really wanted, he is the one who ultimately has to decide if its too risky trading down to get his guy. There were only 2 other players who fit that Parker role worth taking at that selection in Love and Melo, both of which come with their own flaws to consider (especially on this board).

On the other hand, there was no reason whatsoever that Devin Booker was selected before Klay Thompson, who is a much more complete player than both Love and Melo.

This is a quality post and I agree with every point you made. I've been on record for about a month now saying Jabari>Melo & I just really don't like Love so I swang for the fences with a guy I like.

[Mecca]

Drafting has been pretty good, only reaches were Jabari, Booker and maybe Wiggins so far.

Jabari's not a reach, lmao. Only to people that aren't tuned into the Bucks or not following the small market teams closely. Jabari is outplaying Melo/KP this year, one went 37/the other 21.

21 PPG / .50 from the floor / .417 from 3 without iso'ing with elite skill sets. I'll sip my tea to that. Now I know how ibraheim g

I´m pretty sure Parker like Wiggins would've been available by late 40s is what I´m saying.

Jabari is much better than Wigins though. They're not tied in terms of talent.
Jabari is better than Melo and Melo went at 37. I severely doubt he'd be available right now. I had a few trade offers sent to me for him in the mid-late 30's

[bishnykfan]

I agree with Swiss, if we´re going to keep it as realistic as possible these things happen every season to teams. Championships and playoff berths are lost because of an injury to a key player. If you end up drafting a player who is out for the season I think there should be some compensation, but I don´t think we can just overlook the fact that a teams best player is currently not capable of playing basketball.

My thoughts...

Of course injuries happen every year and they always effect who wins and who loses. The difference though is that in the real NBA the teams have more to think about then a one year build. If Westbrook for instance gets a season ending injury next week, OKC's season is basically over. But the Thunder will move on and plan for next year. They will be compensated for the injury with a lottery pick in next year's draft and a chance to improve their team in the future.

Build a team is a one year only competition. If Westbrook gets hurt, the team that took him is completely ruined. There is no compensation, no future considerations, no way to compensate for the loss and that GM is punished for something completely beyond their control. They have no incentive to finish the game, they have no chance to win and the experience is ruined for them which hurts everyone in the game.

I do not think you can negatively judge a GM who drafted a healthy player who then gets hurt days or weeks later. Like I said before though, injury prone players or lack of durability in players should be looked at especially in the regular season rankings.

[swisscheeseD]

Drafting has been pretty good, only reaches were Jabari, Booker and maybe Wiggins so far.

Jabari's not a reach, lmao. Only to people that aren't tuned into the Bucks or not following the small market teams closely. Jabari is outplaying Melo/KP this year, one went 37/the other 21.

21 PPG / .50 from the floor / .417 from 3 without iso'ing with elite skill sets. I'll sip my tea to that. Now I know how ibraheim g

I´m pretty sure Parker like Wiggins would've been available by late 40s is what I´m saying.

I think he would have been as well, but trading down to take advantage of that and risking somebody else pulling the trigger on him wasn't your choice to make.

The key to these drafts are getting the most value for the player you want for the scheme you want to run. If you always went BPA, you will end up with a team that may not fit your initial vision, but more importantly, one that you hate. Part of this is the fun in building a team you'd like that watch.

[swisscheeseD]

I agree with Swiss, if we´re going to keep it as realistic as possible these things happen every season to teams. Championships and playoff berths are lost because of an injury to a key player. If you end up drafting a player who is out for the season I think there should be some compensation, but I don´t think we can just overlook the fact that a teams best player is currently not capable of playing basketball.

My thoughts...

Of course injuries happen every year and they always effect who wins and who loses. The difference though is that in the real NBA the teams have more to think about then a one year build. If Westbrook for instance gets a season ending injury next week, OKC's season is basically over. But the Thunder will move on and plan for next year. They will be compensated for the injury with a lottery pick in next year's draft and a chance to improve their team in the future.

Build a team is a one year only competition. If Westbrook gets hurt, the team that took him is completely ruined. There is no compensation, no future considerations, no way to compensate for the loss and that GM is punished for something completely beyond their control. They have no incentive to finish the game, they have no chance to win and the experience is ruined for them which hurts everyone in the game.

I do not think you can negatively judge a GM who drafted a healthy player who then gets hurt days or weeks later. Like I said before though, injury prone players or lack of durability in players should be looked at especially in the regular season rankings.

I will judge this based on the rules and concepts you put forth, but you can't ignore the court of public opinion when one of these injuries happen.

I remember getting major props midway through my build as one of the best LeBron-built teams and what was hands-down my BAT to lose. Then Bosh went down with the blood-clots, long after I already had selected him, and I was getting "RIP swiss" comments.