John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[Meliorus]

Now that the All-Star campaign is over, when are DC fans going to start an All-NBA campaign?? It's imperative that we get him on there, I think he has a real shot this year after hearing the news that CP3 is out for another 6-8 weeks. If we don't, there's a high possibility he's gone in the 2018 Free Agency.

Current Standings (Guard spots):
1st team: Harden, Westbrook
2nd team: Curry, Lowry
3rd team: Isaiah, Wall

Other challengers: DeRozan, Kyrie, Kemba, Klay, CP3

Why is Lowry above Wall? Team record?

Team record and better stats.

Nevermind, Wall is going to have a tough time making any All-NBA. I saw a preliminary polling of media member All-Star votes and the very fact that Isaiah and DeRozan got all the votes shows that the media is completely clueless. DeMar freaking DeRozan??? That guy is so clearly the 2nd best player on the team, every impact metric says so. Isaiah's net ratings are always super bad.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/17/globe-straw-poll-isaiah-thomas-leading-media-all-star-voting/kNBYZlgpPCe2DQErDKybgM/story.html

[nate33]

Why is Lowry above Wall? Team record?

Team record and better stats.

Nevermind, Wall is going to have a tough time making any All-NBA. I saw a preliminary polling of media member All-Star votes and the very fact that Isaiah and DeRozan got all the votes shows that the media is completely clueless. DeMar freaking DeRozan??? That guy is so clearly the 2nd best player on the team, every impact metric says so. Isaiah's net ratings are always super bad.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/17/globe-straw-poll-isaiah-thomas-leading-media-all-star-voting/kNBYZlgpPCe2DQErDKybgM/story.html

I listened to Zach Lowe and Jeff Van Gundy on a podcast discuss their ASG selections. Lowe put Lowry and Wall as his backcourt starters. Van Gundy preferred Lowry and Isaiah Thomas, but was accepting of Lowe's argument that Thomas has defensive weaknesses and doesn't have the same type of incredible +/- impact as Wall.

The Big Four guards out west (Harden, Westbrook, Curry and Paul) are all locks for the All-NBA, but Wall still has a real good chance to make the 3rd team. I really think he's the 6th best guard in the league this year. Isaiah could be a spoiler, but that's about it.

[mhd]

Team record and better stats.

Nevermind, Wall is going to have a tough time making any All-NBA. I saw a preliminary polling of media member All-Star votes and the very fact that Isaiah and DeRozan got all the votes shows that the media is completely clueless. DeMar freaking DeRozan??? That guy is so clearly the 2nd best player on the team, every impact metric says so. Isaiah's net ratings are always super bad.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/17/globe-straw-poll-isaiah-thomas-leading-media-all-star-voting/kNBYZlgpPCe2DQErDKybgM/story.html

I listened to Zach Lowe and Jeff Van Gundy on a podcast discuss their ASG selections. Lowe put Lowry and Wall as his backcourt starters. Van Gundy preferred Lowry and Isaiah Thomas, but was accepting of Lowe's argument that Thomas has defensive weaknesses and have the same type of incredible +/- impact as Wall.

The Big Four guards out west (Harden, Westbrook, Curry and Paul) are all locks for the All-NBA, but Wall still has a real good chance to make the 3rd team. I really think he's the 6th best guard in the league this year. Isaiah could be a spoiler, but that's about it.

With CP3's injury, he's out of the all-nba running.

Harden & Westbrook are locks for 1st team. Curry is a lock for 2nd team. That leaves 3 spots. I'll give Lowry the other spot on the 2nd team.

That leaves 2 spots on the 2rd team for: Klay, Thomas, Wall, Kyrie, and Demar.

[nate33]

That leaves 2 spots on the 2rd team for: Klay, Thomas, Wall, Kyrie, and Demar.

If my goal was to build a team that wins games, among that group, my choices would be Wall and Klay.

[keynote]

I'm torn. On the one hand, I want Wall to get the recognition he's earned (and so desperately craves). On the other hand, wouldn't earning an All-NBA slot make him eligible for one of those superMAX contracts? If Wall were a legit top 5 player, I wouldn't care. But signing the *15th* best player to a superMAX deal (in a market when the 16th best player theoretically only gets a MAX) is like building an offense around long 2s.

[Meliorus]

I'm torn. On the one hand, I want Wall to get the recognition he's earned (and so desperately craves). On the other hand, wouldn't earning an All-NBA slot make him eligible for one of those superMAX contracts? If Wall were a legit top 5 player, I wouldn't care. But signing the *15th* best player to a superMAX deal (in a market when the 16th best player theoretically only gets a MAX) is like building an offense around long 2s.

So you want him to leave for nothing? He has little incentive to stay if we can't offer a superMAX. Demarcus Cousins is going to get a superMAX, and Wall's impact is so much bigger.

[Meliorus]

Team record and better stats.

Nevermind, Wall is going to have a tough time making any All-NBA. I saw a preliminary polling of media member All-Star votes and the very fact that Isaiah and DeRozan got all the votes shows that the media is completely clueless. DeMar freaking DeRozan??? That guy is so clearly the 2nd best player on the team, every impact metric says so. Isaiah's net ratings are always super bad.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/17/globe-straw-poll-isaiah-thomas-leading-media-all-star-voting/kNBYZlgpPCe2DQErDKybgM/story.html

I listened to Zach Lowe and Jeff Van Gundy on a podcast discuss their ASG selections. Lowe put Lowry and Wall as his backcourt starters. Van Gundy preferred Lowry and Isaiah Thomas, but was accepting of Lowe's argument that Thomas has defensive weaknesses and have the same type of incredible +/- impact as Wall.

The Big Four guards out west (Harden, Westbrook, Curry and Paul) are all locks for the All-NBA, but Wall still has a real good chance to make the 3rd team. I really think he's the 6th best guard in the league this year. Isaiah could be a spoiler, but that's about it.

I listened to it as well. You're kidding me if you think other media people will have even HALF of the expertise and attention to advanced stats that Lowe does. Lowe tells the story right, but most media members are demonstrating that they look at the box score and big 4th quarters and big market teams.

As it currently stands, John Wall is a hipster choice for All-NBA team. I can easily see this scenario play out:
1st team: Westbrook Harden
2nd team: Curry Lowry
3rd team: IT DeRozan

Unless the Wizards somehow get at least the 4th seed by the end of the season, which will be difficult given the March/April schedule, I can see Wall getting snubbed for inferior players.

[keynote]

I'm torn. On the one hand, I want Wall to get the recognition he's earned (and so desperately craves). On the other hand, wouldn't earning an All-NBA slot make him eligible for one of those superMAX contracts? If Wall were a legit top 5 player, I wouldn't care. But signing the *15th* best player to a superMAX deal (in a market when the 16th best player theoretically only gets a MAX) is like building an offense around long 2s.

So you want him to leave for nothing? He has little incentive to stay if we can't offer a superMAX. Demarcus Cousins is going to get a superMAX, and Wall's impact is so much bigger.

? Can't we still pay him more than any other team? The delta may not be as large as it is with the superMAX, but I thought it was still there. Has that changed under the new CBA?

[dobrojim]

all I know is the guy is a stud and has become a clutch closer.

I love what he's doing this year. He continues to improve.

The last 6 min of a close game is Wall time and he's been delivering.

[Kanyewest]

That leaves 2 spots on the 2rd team for: Klay, Thomas, Wall, Kyrie, and Demar.

If my goal was to build a team that wins games, among that group, my choices would be Wall and Klay.

Sadly, I think if this is the criteria, I feel that more media members will vote for Kyrie than Wall given that Irving just won the title. Especially ones that do not follow the league closely.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Nevermind, Wall is going to have a tough time making any All-NBA. I saw a preliminary polling of media member All-Star votes and the very fact that Isaiah and DeRozan got all the votes shows that the media is completely clueless. DeMar freaking DeRozan??? That guy is so clearly the 2nd best player on the team, every impact metric says so. Isaiah's net ratings are always super bad.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/17/globe-straw-poll-isaiah-thomas-leading-media-all-star-voting/kNBYZlgpPCe2DQErDKybgM/story.html

I listened to Zach Lowe and Jeff Van Gundy on a podcast discuss their ASG selections. Lowe put Lowry and Wall as his backcourt starters. Van Gundy preferred Lowry and Isaiah Thomas, but was accepting of Lowe's argument that Thomas has defensive weaknesses and have the same type of incredible +/- impact as Wall.

The Big Four guards out west (Harden, Westbrook, Curry and Paul) are all locks for the All-NBA, but Wall still has a real good chance to make the 3rd team. I really think he's the 6th best guard in the league this year. Isaiah could be a spoiler, but that's about it.

I listened to it as well. You're kidding me if you think other media people will have even HALF of the expertise and attention to advanced stats that Lowe does. Lowe tells the story right, but most media members are demonstrating that they look at the box score and big 4th quarters and big market teams.

As it currently stands, John Wall is a hipster choice for All-NBA team. I can easily see this scenario play out:
1st team: Westbrook Harden
2nd team: Curry Lowry
3rd team: IT DeRozan

Unless the Wizards somehow get at least the 4th seed by the end of the season, which will be difficult given the March/April schedule, I can see Wall getting snubbed for inferior players.

The key will be the Wizards record. They need to finish with a top 4 seed for Wall to have any shot at all-NBA. For some reason he is overlooked by the media yet he is the 2nd best pure PG in basketball only behind Chris Paul.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Here is SI Crossover's NBA All Star Picks

http://www.si.com/nba/2017/01/18/nba-all-star-starters-voting-lebron-james-russell-westbrook-james-harden
http://www.si.com/nba/2017/01/19/nba-all-star-game-reserves-east-west-stephen-curry-isaiah-thomas

Marc Stein's NBA All Star Picks
http://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4886/marc-steins-picks-for-nba-all-star-starters

[Meliorus]

If those All-Star results are any indication of how the media will vote, Wall is in for a LONG ride.

[TheKingOfVa360]

If those All-Star results are any indication of how the media will vote, Wall is in for a LONG ride.

The media just doesn't like to give Wall any props for some reason. The lack of national TV games is probably why. That's why he is a long shot to ever make an all-nba team. One year Damian Lillard made it over him when Wall clearly had a better year.

[SizzlinSimms]

If I believe Jason Smith hit that ridiculous no look wrap around pass Wall did I think somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd quarter that would have been contender for assist of the year.

[keynote]

Worth noting: the players think Wall is the fourth-best guard in the East (after Kyrie, DD, and IT); the media think he's fifth-best (after the previous three + Lowry).

The players think Kyrie is the best guard in the East. The media thinks it's IT.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18514988/nba-all-star-2017-voting-results

[kriss73]

Is there any news about a potential retool of Wall's contract?
I think the deadline is on 28/02/2017.
Thanks!

[queridiculo]

Is there any news about a potential retool of Wall's contract?
I think the deadline is on 28/02/2017.
Thanks!

Wall is signed through the 2018/19 season and considering that he isn't going to qualify for the DPE by then an extension may not make sense for him.

Might make more sense for him to play out his contract and hope that he is going to hit some of the DPE qualifiers between now and the end of his contract.

Washington also has very little incentive to change his deal since that would end up putting them into the luxury tax bracket for the foreseeable future.

[stevemcqueen1]

Worth noting: the players think Wall is the fourth-best guard in the East (after Kyrie, DD, and IT); the media think he's fifth-best (after the previous three + Lowry).

The players think Kyrie is the best guard in the East. The media thinks it's IT.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18514988/nba-all-star-2017-voting-results

So the players don't care any more about defense than the media does?

If you rephrased the question, which one would you take to build your team around, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to say Wall. And I bet they wouldn't either.

[Benjammin]

John F. Wall doing work! I'm happy for him and it's fun to watch.

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