Noel's Trade Value is at its Highest Now

GlenRiceARoni · Post #321 » by **GlenRiceARoni** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:18 am

Lastly, Noel has significantly more trade value now before the deadline than he will after he signs his next contract.

If he resigns with Philly two really bad things happen.

1) You're stuck with him for another half season ( he cant be traded immediately) which means you're taking on injury and poor play risk.

2) He has to be traded for somewhat offsetting salaries. Technically this isn't completely true since philly will probably be under the cap but any team adding $100m Noel is probably gonna wanna unload a contract of their own.

So if you think Portland is a good fit for Noel you might get stuck with Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, etc.

You'd be much better trading him now for a deal that's smallish or close to expiring.

Right now he could probably be flipped to Charlotte for Lamb and a 1st rounder. Boom you get a 1st rd pick and a cheap rotation player. Thats MASSIVE cap savings as the 1st rounder will be paid low and Lamb has only 2/ $14 left. Use the cap room to sign Porter, KCP, and Patty Mills instead

PG: Mills/Bayless/rookie PG
SG: KCP/Henderson/TLC
SF: Porter/Covington/Lamb
PF: Simmons/Ilyasova/Saric
C: Embiid/Okafor/Holmes

With Stauskas, Rodriguez, mcconnell expiring deals and several first and second round picks that you could draft stash guys or just make some type of big consolidation deal.

Thats a loaded roster. Noel has no business screwing this up with 4/ $100.

You guys need to try to compete NOW. Championship windows can close fast due to injuries and it makes more sense to try to compete while you've got young guys on cheap deals. The window is open. Dont waste it screwing around with Noel.

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bebopdeluxe · Post #322 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:37 am

GlenRiceARoni wrote:Lastly, Noel has significantly more trade value now before the deadline than he will after he signs his next contract.

If he resigns with Philly two really bad things happen.

1) You're stuck with him for another half season ( he cant be traded immediately) which means you're taking on injury and poor play risk.

2) He has to be traded for somewhat offsetting salaries. Technically this isn't completely true since philly will probably be under the cap but any team adding $100m Noel is probably gonna wanna unload a contract of their own.

So if you think Portland is a good fit for Noel you might get stuck with Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, etc.

You'd be much better trading him now for a deal that's smallish or close to expiring.

Right now he could probably be flipped to Charlotte for Lamb and a 1st rounder. Boom you get a 1st rd pick and a cheap rotation player. Thats MASSIVE cap savings as the 1st rounder will be paid low and Lamb has only 2/ $14 left. Use the cap room to sign Porter, KCP, and Patty Mills instead

PG: Mills/Bayless/rookie PG
SG: KCP/Henderson/TLC
SF: Porter/Covington/Lamb
PF: Simmons/Ilyasova/Saric
C: Embiid/Okafor/Holmes

With Stauskas, Rodriguez, mcconnell expiring deals and several first and second round picks that you could draft stash guys or just make some type of big consolidation deal.

Thats a loaded roster. Noel has no business screwing this up with 4/ $100.

You guys need to try to compete NOW. Championship windows can close fast due to injuries and it makes more sense to try to compete while you've got young guys on cheap deals. The window is open. Dont waste it screwing around with Noel.

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This is a really good post. If we hold onto Noel - thinking we can trade him for value - we have to match contracts, which in all probability means taking A-1 crap back in return.

ankle420breaker · Post #323 » by **ankle420breaker** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:52 am

Real DPOY caliber stuff from Noel last night.

His defensive intensity and rebounding have been underwhelming over the last few games.

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TTP · Post #324 » by **TTP** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:43 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:
GlenRiceARoni wrote:Lastly, Noel has significantly more trade value now before the deadline than he will after he signs his next contract.

If he resigns with Philly two really bad things happen.

1) You're stuck with him for another half season ( he cant be traded immediately) which means you're taking on injury and poor play risk.

2) He has to be traded for somewhat offsetting salaries. Technically this isn't completely true since philly will probably be under the cap but any team adding $100m Noel is probably gonna wanna unload a contract of their own.

So if you think Portland is a good fit for Noel you might get stuck with Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, etc.

You'd be much better trading him now for a deal that's smallish or close to expiring.

Right now he could probably be flipped to Charlotte for Lamb and a 1st rounder. Boom you get a 1st rd pick and a cheap rotation player. Thats MASSIVE cap savings as the 1st rounder will be paid low and Lamb has only 2/ $14 left. Use the cap room to sign Porter, KCP, and Patty Mills instead

PG: Mills/Bayless/rookie PG
SG: KCP/Henderson/TLC
SF: Porter/Covington/Lamb
PF: Simmons/Ilyasova/Saric
C: Embiid/Okafor/Holmes

With Stauskas, Rodriguez, mcconnell expiring deals and several first and second round picks that you could draft stash guys or just make some type of big consolidation deal.

Thats a loaded roster. Noel has no business screwing this up with 4/ $100.

You guys need to try to compete NOW. Championship windows can close fast due to injuries and it makes more sense to try to compete while you've got young guys on cheap deals. The window is open. Dont waste it screwing around with Noel.

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This is a really good post. If we hold onto Noel - thinking we can trade him for value - we have to match contracts, which in all probability means taking A-1 crap back in return.

Once FA starts, unless he takes a discount (or receives a max when he's worth more which isn't the case), he'll sign a deal where his price is at or more likely above his market value, so he wouldn't be an asset once signed either. This is because he'd be signing with the team that pays him the most, thus every other team would require something in return to be willing to trade for him at that price. You wouldn't be able to trade him for value unless his intrinsic value increases, which would cause his market value to exceed his price.

GlenRiceARoni · Post #325 » by **GlenRiceARoni** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:13 am

^ Correct. We've been arguing that as well for a few pages.

It is true that a few teams without cap space might still value him at more than that though...

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bebopdeluxe · Post #326 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:26 am

GlenRiceARoni wrote:^ Correct. We've been arguing that as well for a few pages.

It is true that a few teams without cap space might still value him at more than that though...

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Yeah...but what garbage do we have to take back to get anything of value out of a trade like that?

I would rather trade him now to POR for their 1st round pick and take Adebayo or Rabb. Let them grow up with the crew.

spikeslovechild · Post #327 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:33 am

Kobblehead wrote:If you want to criticize Noel for not being locked in and committed, fine. But let's not pretend a healthy Noel with no lower body ailments isn't a defensive savant.

Last night had nothing to do with injuries it was just poor decision making on Noel part leaving his man going for the splash play.

All the Raptors did was make the extra pass for an easy bucket it was extremely frustrating to watch.

Ericb5 · Post #328 » by **Ericb5** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:58 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:
GlenRiceARoni wrote:Lastly, Noel has significantly more trade value now before the deadline than he will after he signs his next contract.

If he resigns with Philly two really bad things happen.

1) You're stuck with him for another half season ( he cant be traded immediately) which means you're taking on injury and poor play risk.

2) He has to be traded for somewhat offsetting salaries. Technically this isn't completely true since philly will probably be under the cap but any team adding $100m Noel is probably gonna wanna unload a contract of their own.

So if you think Portland is a good fit for Noel you might get stuck with Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, etc.

You'd be much better trading him now for a deal that's smallish or close to expiring.

Right now he could probably be flipped to Charlotte for Lamb and a 1st rounder. Boom you get a 1st rd pick and a cheap rotation player. Thats MASSIVE cap savings as the 1st rounder will be paid low and Lamb has only 2/ $14 left. Use the cap room to sign Porter, KCP, and Patty Mills instead

PG: Mills/Bayless/rookie PG
SG: KCP/Henderson/TLC
SF: Porter/Covington/Lamb
PF: Simmons/Ilyasova/Saric
C: Embiid/Okafor/Holmes

With Stauskas, Rodriguez, mcconnell expiring deals and several first and second round picks that you could draft stash guys or just make some type of big consolidation deal.

Thats a loaded roster. Noel has no business screwing this up with 4/ $100.

You guys need to try to compete NOW. Championship windows can close fast due to injuries and it makes more sense to try to compete while you've got young guys on cheap deals. The window is open. Dont waste it screwing around with Noel.

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This is a really good post. If we hold onto Noel - thinking we can trade him for value - we have to match contracts, which in all probability means taking A-1 crap back in return.

If we hold on the Noel it will be because we want him to be the back up center, and not because we think we can trade him later. Although I DO think that we can trade him later.

At the very least you will always be able to salary dump him, unless he has a catastrophic injury.

Someone will give you expiring salaries at a trade deadline for him in pretty much a worst case scenario.

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Mac1958 · Post #329 » by **Mac1958** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:32 pm

Denver
Wilson Chandler, SF
Malik Beasely, SG

Philly
Nerlens Noel, PF/C
Gerald Henderson, SG

Denver gets a defensive big to pair with Jokic, Philly gets a high-scoring frontcourt swingman who can play D.

LloydFree · Post #330 » by **LloydFree** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:40 pm

Mac1958 wrote:Denver
Wilson Chandler, SF
Malik Beasely, SG

Philly
Nerlens Noel, PF/C
Gerald Henderson, SG

Denver gets a defensive big to pair with Jokic, Philly gets a high-scoring frontcourt swingman who can play D.

mithrandir17 · Post #331 » by **mithrandir17** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:04 pm

Mac1958 wrote:Denver
Wilson Chandler, SF
Malik Beasely, SG

Philly
Nerlens Noel, PF/C
Gerald Henderson, SG

Denver gets a defensive big to pair with Jokic, Philly gets a high-scoring frontcourt swingman who can play D.

If Nerlens can't play alongside Embiid, what makes you think Nerlens can play alongside Jokic?

SouthJersey · Post #332 » by **SouthJersey** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:11 pm

When Noel has played, the Sixers are 11-10. When he has played 15+ minutes they are 9-4. Sixers should look at him as a building block because he's shown flexibility as a starter and a bench play.

Sixers dont have to pay anyone for a while and will have to spend money to stay at the cap min. Look at those contracts given to the Turners and Mosgovs of the NBA, we've seen alot worse ways to spend money than on Noel.

BoomBap · Post #333 » by **BoomBap** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:25 pm

Mac1958 wrote:Denver
Wilson Chandler, SF
Malik Beasely, SG

Philly
Nerlens Noel, PF/C
Gerald Henderson, SG

Denver gets a defensive big to pair with Jokic, Philly gets a high-scoring frontcourt swingman who can play D.

The Nuggets have, like us, too many bigs. They don't need another one.

jbent87 · Post #334 » by **jbent87** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:29 pm

SouthJersey wrote:When Noel has played, the Sixers are 11-10. When he has played 15+ minutes they are 9-4. Sixers should look at him as a building block because he's shown flexibility as a starter and a bench play.

Sixers dont have to pay anyone for a while and will have to spend money to stay at the cap min. Look at those contracts given to the Turners and Mosgovs of the NBA, we've seen alot worse ways to spend money than on Noel.

everyone would rather have Noel at this point. The situation is he's the only one we're going to get a legitimate piece back for in a trade. We're selling Okafor at .40 on the dollar. We're not getting Avery Bradley or Zach LaVine or anyone in an Okafor centric deal. With Nerlens, maybe.

spikeslovechild · Post #335 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:00 pm

jbent87 wrote:
SouthJersey wrote:When Noel has played, the Sixers are 11-10. When he has played 15+ minutes they are 9-4. Sixers should look at him as a building block because he's shown flexibility as a starter and a bench play.

Sixers dont have to pay anyone for a while and will have to spend money to stay at the cap min. Look at those contracts given to the Turners and Mosgovs of the NBA, we've seen alot worse ways to spend money than on Noel.

everyone would rather have Noel at this point. The situation is he's the only one we're going to get a legitimate piece back for in a trade. We're selling Okafor at .40 on the dollar. We're not getting Avery Bradley or Zach LaVine or anyone in an Okafor centric deal. With Nerlens, maybe.

The problem I've always had with Noel supporters is they framed it as an either or. That's not really the issue. The issue is whether or Noel is worth extending with Embiid on the roster. It wasn't Okafor that was going to block him it was Embiid. Well he's blocked by Embiid.

There simply isn't a role for him here unless the bottom falls out of his RFA market. One of Holmes or Okafor can backup Embiid save us close to 20 million and allow us to redirect the dollars elsewhere.

jbent87 · Post #336 » by **jbent87** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:56 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
jbent87 wrote:
SouthJersey wrote:When Noel has played, the Sixers are 11-10. When he has played 15+ minutes they are 9-4. Sixers should look at him as a building block because he's shown flexibility as a starter and a bench play.

Sixers dont have to pay anyone for a while and will have to spend money to stay at the cap min. Look at those contracts given to the Turners and Mosgovs of the NBA, we've seen alot worse ways to spend money than on Noel.

everyone would rather have Noel at this point. The situation is he's the only one we're going to get a legitimate piece back for in a trade. We're selling Okafor at .40 on the dollar. We're not getting Avery Bradley or Zach LaVine or anyone in an Okafor centric deal. With Nerlens, maybe.

The problem I've always had with Noel supporters is they framed it as an either or. That's not really the issue. The issue is whether or Noel is worth extending with Embiid on the roster. It wasn't Okafor that was going to block him it was Embiid. Well he's blocked by Embiid.

There simply isn't a role for him here unless the bottom falls out of his RFA market. One of Holmes or Okafor can backup Embiid save us close to 20 million and allow us to redirect the dollars elsewhere.

There's also the argument to be made that by paying Nerlens, albeit to play a super back up role, you are locking up a defensive minded identity for 48 minutes a game. There's something to that. Especially if Embiid is going to continue to be somewhat unreliable in knowing when he is actually going to play. I don't want to pay Nerlens the max, but I dont think you have to to keep him.

rzzzzz · Post #337 » by **rzzzzz** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:04 pm

jeez, the odd confluence of circumstance makes the possibilities endless. (what a miracle Bradford-Viking pick was.)

agiaco · Post #338 » by **agiaco** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:34 pm

I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

spikeslovechild · Post #339 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:52 pm

agiaco wrote:I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

Post #340 » by **BullyKing** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:58 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
agiaco wrote:I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

Except maxing out Noel doesn't really impact our ability to max out a free agent unless you are trying to max out three free agents this off season.

Which option do you prefer?