Nurkic: "I don't see my future in Denver"

[TheOGJabroni]

I'd be all over the pure pick package of Memphis 2019, Min 2017 2nd and Heat 2020 2nd (Young can be salary filler).

I think if Denver demanded Zizic be part of the deal it'd likely either be straight up or no thanks. Contracts play a big part in it. Nurkic would need more money sooner and around the same time some of our core would be looking for raises, whereas Zizic has 4 years of being cheap. It seems like they're really high on Zizic as well so I just don't see that working.

I still think something with Rozier works with Jameer getting sent to a team like Memphis/Cleveland who could use a vet backup PG (maybe they kick a little extra in). Him the Memphis pick and some 2nds feels like better value from my perspective that just the pick package, plus it opens up 25 mins a night that can go to the kids rather than 34 year old Nelson. Even if you took Rozier on just to trade him this summer you'd probably get better value than Min 2017 2nd/MIA 2020 2nd.

Pretty much agree with all of this.

I love how you guys are coming in here and telling us what the Nuggets need and what is going to work for them, especially when you really do not have a clue what you are talking about. Zizic was a 2nd round pick with no NBA experience, yet you guys think you can get him for a guy that was putting up plenty of double doubles as a starter with very good defense straight up for him? You think the Nuggets need to trade for your 3rd string PG, and hand him minutes, without even realizing that our 3rd string PG is the guy we drafted last summer 7th overall, and I would easily take Murray's future over Rozier's.

Nelson needs to be traded, but not to clear room so the Nuggets can trade Nurkic for a guy who would be 3rd string on this team.

Just about every time the Nuggets make a trade "experts" from throughout Realgm call us Nuggets fans crazy for what we say it will take, then they are shocked that Nuggets fans were right when the deal goes down. If Nurkic gets traded for a 3rd string PG and a marginal way in the future 1st than I think the Nuggets will have gotten robbed. I fully expect at least a solid prospect and a decent 1st to come back our way when Nurkic is traded.

This comment was a little harsh, no? I never once "came in here told you what the Nuggets need". Earlier I admittedly said I thought Murray was projected to be a SG, not a PG. Also, I honestly thought the person I said I agree with was someone from your board without looking into very much.

I've already said I was interested in an offer that someone from your board came up with as well. No need to be so defensive, jeez.

[skywalker33]

Well for me, Rozier would be behind Mudiay, then Murray...so what value does a 3rd string PG have for us ??? At least we can select our own needs with the pick. I'm not sold on Danny Ainge's draft choices and Rozier hasn't proved a ton to me.

If we demanded Zizic be part of the deal, what do BOS fans see as fair deal on that front ?

I'd be all over the pure pick package of Memphis 2019, Min 2017 2nd and Heat 2020 2nd (Young can be salary filler).

I think if Denver demanded Zizic be part of the deal it'd likely either be straight up or no thanks. Contracts play a big part in it. Nurkic would need more money sooner and around the same time some of our core would be looking for raises, whereas Zizic has 4 years of being cheap. It seems like they're really high on Zizic as well so I just don't see that working.

I still think something with Rozier works with Jameer getting sent to a team like Memphis/Cleveland who could use a vet backup PG (maybe they kick a little extra in). Him the Memphis pick and some 2nds feels like better value from my perspective that just the pick package, plus it opens up 25 mins a night that can go to the kids rather than 34 year old Nelson. Even if you took Rozier on just to trade him this summer you'd probably get better value than Min 2017 2nd/MIA 2020 2nd.

Yeah, I don't think Zizic and a pick works. Zizic looks likely to be as good as Nurkic, and he'll be in the first year of his contract. I love Nurkic's upside but he'll want an extension next fall or will go into restricted free agency after that- same boat as Noel - which will lower his trade value if we need to flip him. If you wanted Zizic, we might need something extra back.

I could see Cleveland giving up a 1st to add Rozier to their bench, and we could flip that for Nurkic.

Here is a classic case of over-valueing someone who hasn't even PLAYED a minute in the NBA and saying "we might need something extra back" I do get that he'll be cheaper, but you truly have no idea how his play will translate in the NBA.

And you can say that CLE would give a 1st for Rozier but until it happens it's just a classic speculation/assumption/crap-outta-the-side-of your-(pick your body part) statement.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Everything on a trade board is speculation. I'd say odds above 50 percent the Cavs would give a 1st for Rozier - he plays NBA defense and has upside. Would even suggest they'd be thrilled to get Rozier for a 1st.

And yeah ironically I'm predicting Zizic's impact based on the immediate success Denver's eastern European bigs had. But he's trending up, I think he's a better prospect than Nurkic was.

[skywalker33]

Pretty much agree with all of this.

I love how you guys are coming in here and telling us what the Nuggets need and what is going to work for them, especially when you really do not have a clue what you are talking about. Zizic was a 2nd round pick with no NBA experience, yet you guys think you can get him for a guy that was putting up plenty of double doubles as a starter with very good defense straight up for him? You think the Nuggets need to trade for your 3rd string PG, and hand him minutes, without even realizing that our 3rd string PG is the guy we drafted last summer 7th overall, and I would easily take Murray's future over Rozier's.

Nelson needs to be traded, but not to clear room so the Nuggets can trade Nurkic for a guy who would be 3rd string on this team.

Just about every time the Nuggets make a trade "experts" from throughout Realgm call us Nuggets fans crazy for what we say it will take, then they are shocked that Nuggets fans were right when the deal goes down. If Nurkic gets traded for a 3rd string PG and a marginal way in the future 1st than I think the Nuggets will have gotten robbed. I fully expect at least a solid prospect and a decent 1st to come back our way when Nurkic is traded.

This comment was a little harsh, no? I never once "came in here told you what the Nuggets need". Earlier I admittedly said I thought Murray was projected to be a SG, not a PG. Also, I honestly thought the person I said I agree with was someone from your board without looking into very much.

I've already said I was interested in an offer that someone from your board came up with as well. No need to be so defensive, jeez.

Well, let's be honest, Rozier was not brought up by ANY Nuggets fan and in almost all BOS fan's offers that I've seen. I gave my thoughts on Rozier so it does come across that the BOS fans are trying to push Rozier in most deals and he really isn't wanted here.

And I do get the harshness of going onto another teams boards, I have been all but crucified over on the BOS board. So unless you want to criticize it here but say nothing over there is a bit Kettle/pot IMO. Take a lesson from me, if you don't like it just walk away for awhile.

I have to agree with The Rebel in that most of the Nugget trades we get raked over the coals, be it homerism or not, most Nuggets fans feel that way.

[TheOGJabroni]

I love how you guys are coming in here and telling us what the Nuggets need and what is going to work for them, especially when you really do not have a clue what you are talking about. Zizic was a 2nd round pick with no NBA experience, yet you guys think you can get him for a guy that was putting up plenty of double doubles as a starter with very good defense straight up for him? You think the Nuggets need to trade for your 3rd string PG, and hand him minutes, without even realizing that our 3rd string PG is the guy we drafted last summer 7th overall, and I would easily take Murray's future over Rozier's.

Nelson needs to be traded, but not to clear room so the Nuggets can trade Nurkic for a guy who would be 3rd string on this team.

Just about every time the Nuggets make a trade "experts" from throughout Realgm call us Nuggets fans crazy for what we say it will take, then they are shocked that Nuggets fans were right when the deal goes down. If Nurkic gets traded for a 3rd string PG and a marginal way in the future 1st than I think the Nuggets will have gotten robbed. I fully expect at least a solid prospect and a decent 1st to come back our way when Nurkic is traded.

This comment was a little harsh, no? I never once "came in here told you what the Nuggets need". Earlier I admittedly said I thought Murray was projected to be a SG, not a PG. Also, I honestly thought the person I said I agree with was someone from your board without looking into very much.

I've already said I was interested in an offer that someone from your board came up with as well. No need to be so defensive, jeez.

Well, let's be honest, Rozier was not brought up by ANY Nuggets fan and in almost all BOS fan's offers that I've seen. I gave my thoughts on Rozier so it does come across that the BOS fans are trying to push Rozier in most deals and he really isn't wanted here.

And I do get the harshness of going onto another teams boards, I have been all but crucified over on the BOS board. So unless you want to criticize it hear but say nothing over there is a bit Kettle/pot IMO. I have to agree with The Rebel in that most of the Nugget trades we get raked over the coals, be it homerism or not, most Nuggets fans feel that way.

I mentioned Rozier because he is a solid young player that matches salary, rather than offering dead-weight. The making of the deal I saw fit was the second part of this:

Boston fan here, and I promise I do come in peace. I see a few posters from our board and others talking about Nurkic to Boston and for the most part, offers getting shut down. I am just curious to know what you all believe is fair value for him, coming from Boston.

Well, my ideal trade would be 2019 MEM 1st and rights to Zizic, but most BOS fans think Zizic is off-limits so I'd swap out Zizic with the MIN 2017 2nd and 2020 Heat 2nd. I figure if we have to wait to get paid, the 2020 Heat 2nd is the interest.

[cl2117]

Well, let's be honest, Rozier was not brought up by ANY Nuggets fan and in almost all BOS fan's offers that I've seen. I gave my thoughts on Rozier so it does come across that the BOS fans are trying to push Rozier in most deals and he really isn't wanted here.

And I do get the harshness of going onto another teams boards, I have been all but crucified over on the BOS board. So unless you want to criticize it here but say nothing over there is a bit Kettle/pot IMO. Take a lesson from me, if you don't like it just walk away for awhile.

I have to agree with The Rebel in that most of the Nugget trades we get raked over the coals, be it homerism or not, most Nuggets fans feel that way.

It's fair enough to point out that Rozier hasn't been brought up by Nuggets fans, but also consider the fact that a) another body needs to head in the other direction in any deal with Boston and b) in what Rebel responded to Rozier was clearly outlined to be in place of a 2nd round pick to try to give the Nuggets more value. It's not like he was going in instead of the Memphis pick or even the Min 2017 2nd, it was in place of the Heat's 2020 2nd rounder. I mean you can not want the guy all you want, but that's good value and it was stipulated that you could even just take him on for the rest of the season and then try to trade him and you'd get better overall value back. So to make such a big deal out of it was disingenuous on his part.

Secondly I'll be the first to admit the Boston board is a lions' den for other teams' posters and not in a good way, but is that really justification for doing the same on your board? I mean does it do anything constructive? Especially when, at least in this instance, everyone has been perfectly cordial. It's just unnecessary drama.

[skywalker33]

Well, let's be honest, Rozier was not brought up by ANY Nuggets fan and in almost all BOS fan's offers that I've seen. I gave my thoughts on Rozier so it does come across that the BOS fans are trying to push Rozier in most deals and he really isn't wanted here.

And I do get the harshness of going onto another teams boards, I have been all but crucified over on the BOS board. So unless you want to criticize it here but say nothing over there is a bit Kettle/pot IMO. Take a lesson from me, if you don't like it just walk away for awhile.

I have to agree with The Rebel in that most of the Nugget trades we get raked over the coals, be it homerism or not, most Nuggets fans feel that way.

It's fair enough to point out that Rozier hasn't been brought up by Nuggets fans, but also consider the fact that a) another body needs to head in the other direction in any deal with Boston and b) in what Rebel responded to Rozier was clearly outlined to be in place of a 2nd round pick to try to give the Nuggets more value. It's not like he was going in instead of the Memphis pick or even the Min 2017 2nd, it was in place of the Heat's 2020 2nd rounder. I mean you can not want the guy all you want, but that's good value and it was stipulated that you could even just take him on for the rest of the season and then try to trade him and you'd get better overall value back. So to make such a big deal out of it was disingenuous on his part.

Secondly I'll be the first to admit the Boston board is a lions' den for other teams' posters and not in a good way, but is that really justification for doing the same on your board? I mean does it do anything constructive? Especially when, at least in this instance, everyone has been perfectly cordial. It's just unnecessary drama.

I agree with trying to be cordial, but pointing out the "tone" and overlooking the point is being a bit over-sensitive.

Guess it's just time move beyond.

Since Zizic isn't tradeable and Rozier isn't wanted, what's your thoughts on Yabuse being included in some capacity, seems he might be more of a fit/need on the Nuggets side ?

[cl2117]

Well, let's be honest, Rozier was not brought up by ANY Nuggets fan and in almost all BOS fan's offers that I've seen. I gave my thoughts on Rozier so it does come across that the BOS fans are trying to push Rozier in most deals and he really isn't wanted here.

And I do get the harshness of going onto another teams boards, I have been all but crucified over on the BOS board. So unless you want to criticize it here but say nothing over there is a bit Kettle/pot IMO. Take a lesson from me, if you don't like it just walk away for awhile.

I have to agree with The Rebel in that most of the Nugget trades we get raked over the coals, be it homerism or not, most Nuggets fans feel that way.

It's fair enough to point out that Rozier hasn't been brought up by Nuggets fans, but also consider the fact that a) another body needs to head in the other direction in any deal with Boston and b) in what Rebel responded to Rozier was clearly outlined to be in place of a 2nd round pick to try to give the Nuggets more value. It's not like he was going in instead of the Memphis pick or even the Min 2017 2nd, it was in place of the Heat's 2020 2nd rounder. I mean you can not want the guy all you want, but that's good value and it was stipulated that you could even just take him on for the rest of the season and then try to trade him and you'd get better overall value back. So to make such a big deal out of it was disingenuous on his part.

Secondly I'll be the first to admit the Boston board is a lions' den for other teams' posters and not in a good way, but is that really justification for doing the same on your board? I mean does it do anything constructive? Especially when, at least in this instance, everyone has been perfectly cordial. It's just unnecessary drama.

I agree with trying to be cordial, but pointing out the "tone" and overlooking the point is being a bit over-sensitive.

Guess it's just time move beyond.

Since Zizic isn't tradeable and Rozier isn't wanted, what's your thoughts on Yabuse being included in some capacity, seems he might be more of a fit/need on the Nuggets side ?

Addressed the point literally point by point DESPITE the tone. Was just a bit disappointed because I've come round here a couple times and really liked the fact that it's NOT like the C's board, but I digress as you're right we should all move on.

I'm way lower on Yabusele than Zizic so absolutely. He kind of looked Draymond-esque from a physique standpoint, but I would guess he likely ends up a tweener and not much, though I guess he could prove me wrong with the way the NBA is heading. He's done great things in China, but it's China so it's basically meaningless. I think Ainge took him way too high and a large part of it was because he's likely willing to be stashed for 2 years and not just 1.

Honestly though you don't hear much about him via the org (not like you do with Zizic at least). They may value him considerably higher than me based on where he was taken, but I personally just don't see it.

I'd do Mem 2019 and Yabu swap no problem.

[skywalker33]

I'd say that much more reasonable than what I see over on the T&T board, just proves my point about Nuggets offers being low-balled.

[snowman]

I really think most of the Boston posters chose Rosier as the traded player from Boston because the salaries matched, not trying to shove him on Denver. Personally, I honestly thought he would have more value than a 2020 Miami 2nd. I would have no problem doing the Mem 2019 or LA Clips 1st, which ever is better and Yabu along with the Miami 2020 2nd to get the deal done.

[MHZ]

The problem is Denver has no use for additional players who need to find minutes. They have too many already.

Because of that, picks are more valuable to me, unless you're acquiring somebody you have real minutes for (or other trades lined up). Until there is some consolidation of the roster, I see zero value in additional guys who need minutes and may have a hard time finding them.

[The Rebel]

Pretty much agree with all of this.

I love how you guys are coming in here and telling us what the Nuggets need and what is going to work for them, especially when you really do not have a clue what you are talking about. Zizic was a 2nd round pick with no NBA experience, yet you guys think you can get him for a guy that was putting up plenty of double doubles as a starter with very good defense straight up for him? You think the Nuggets need to trade for your 3rd string PG, and hand him minutes, without even realizing that our 3rd string PG is the guy we drafted last summer 7th overall, and I would easily take Murray's future over Rozier's.

Nelson needs to be traded, but not to clear room so the Nuggets can trade Nurkic for a guy who would be 3rd string on this team.

Just about every time the Nuggets make a trade "experts" from throughout Realgm call us Nuggets fans crazy for what we say it will take, then they are shocked that Nuggets fans were right when the deal goes down. If Nurkic gets traded for a 3rd string PG and a marginal way in the future 1st than I think the Nuggets will have gotten robbed. I fully expect at least a solid prospect and a decent 1st to come back our way when Nurkic is traded.

This comment was a little harsh, no? I never once "came in here told you what the Nuggets need". Earlier I admittedly said I thought Murray was projected to be a SG, not a PG. Also, I honestly thought the person I said I agree with was someone from your board without looking into very much.

I've already said I was interested in an offer that someone from your board came up with as well. No need to be so defensive, jeez.

I am not being defensive, and if you don't want to be connected with a post, then maybe you shouldn't quote something and say you agree with it. Like it or not saying that a team needs to trade a guy elsewhere and then trade you a player for the guy you want to dump on us is pretty much telling us what the Nuggets need to do.

[snowman]

So from Boston:
better of 2019 Mem 1st or 2019 LA Clips 1st
2020 Miami 2nd
rights to Yabu

for Nurkic

[TheOGJabroni]

I love how you guys are coming in here and telling us what the Nuggets need and what is going to work for them, especially when you really do not have a clue what you are talking about. Zizic was a 2nd round pick with no NBA experience, yet you guys think you can get him for a guy that was putting up plenty of double doubles as a starter with very good defense straight up for him? You think the Nuggets need to trade for your 3rd string PG, and hand him minutes, without even realizing that our 3rd string PG is the guy we drafted last summer 7th overall, and I would easily take Murray's future over Rozier's.

Nelson needs to be traded, but not to clear room so the Nuggets can trade Nurkic for a guy who would be 3rd string on this team.

Just about every time the Nuggets make a trade "experts" from throughout Realgm call us Nuggets fans crazy for what we say it will take, then they are shocked that Nuggets fans were right when the deal goes down. If Nurkic gets traded for a 3rd string PG and a marginal way in the future 1st than I think the Nuggets will have gotten robbed. I fully expect at least a solid prospect and a decent 1st to come back our way when Nurkic is traded.

This comment was a little harsh, no? I never once "came in here told you what the Nuggets need". Earlier I admittedly said I thought Murray was projected to be a SG, not a PG. Also, I honestly thought the person I said I agree with was someone from your board without looking into very much.

I've already said I was interested in an offer that someone from your board came up with as well. No need to be so defensive, jeez.

I am not being defensive, and if you don't want to be connected with a post, then maybe you shouldn't quote something and say you agree with it. Like it or not saying that a team needs to trade a guy elsewhere and then trade you a player for the guy you want to dump on us is pretty much telling us what the Nuggets need to do.

Again, I thought this was coming from someone on your board, so I was mistaken. If your team does not want Rozier so be it. I was in agreement with a deal skywalker proposed that had nothing to do with him.

[tstrick33]

I'm still holding on hope that we use Nurkic as a part of a big deal centered around John Wall, Jimmy Butler or Paul Milsap as opposed to trading Nurkic for more players with potential/draft picks.

I have to believe a trade centered around Nurkic,Gallo,Mudiay and picks should land you John Wall or Jimmy Butler, if they are actually on the table. I'd be willing to take back Rondo in a trade for Butler.

Nurkic/Gallo/ and one pick I think should get us a Milsap rental. Considering we're giving up Nurkic anyway, and I'm not sure Gallo is going to be worth what he is going to go for this offseason. I think it's worth the risk and should get us in the playoffs. Plus I believe we could offer Milsap more $ if we want to go that route.

[NuggetsWY]

So from Boston:
better of 2019 Mem 1st or 2019 LA Clips 1st
2020 Miami 2nd
rights to Yabu

for Nurkic

I'd take that trade. It probably favors Boston a little much, but a first, a second (that's looking better) plus Yabu; it's a worthwhile gamble IMO. Yabu has potential, that's understood. Not sure he makes it in the NBA and my first thought on draft night was "over-reach", but that'd be OK. Mostly I'd be doing the trade for the 1st plus a 2nd..

[Blazinaway]

Portland trades Cle 2017 1st and Ed Davis or Plumlee or Vonleh, take your pick?

[psimanic1]

Vonleh and 2017 CLE...

[skywalker33]

Vonleh and 2017 CLE...

You'd be betting on Vonleh's potential and he's already been traded away from the team that drafted him, seems like a big risk there. As for the pick, it's #27, might as well be a 2nd

I'll pass.

[NuggetsWY]

Vonleh and 2017 CLE...

You'd be betting on Vonleh's potential and he's already been traded away from the team that drafted him, seems like a big risk there. As for the pick, it's #27, might as well be a 2nd

I'll pass.

and I get that, but I say better to take a flyer on Vonleh than to waste Nurkic - plus I like him too much to watch him waste away; send him somewhere we he'll be appreciated. As for Cleveland's pick, we might get lucky and it's #26 .