Official Thread -- Wizards @ Knicks (1/19/17 8PM)

[nate33]

Damn good win by the good guys. Saw it slipping away as Beal didn't seem to even want to be on the floor and John started going 1-on-5 in the last five minutes. What happened to ball movement? I think that's way too early to go into hibernation mode. Can't just say hey, we won, why complain? Because that's why we lose games on the road. We play that BS prevent offense in the fourth quarter.

I think one of the problems was that Gortat didn't play down the stretch. When Gortat isn't in, the only other primary option we have is Beal, and Beal was having his worst game of the season. There really wasn't anybody that John trusted to handle the ball at all, other than Porter in a catch-and-shoot.

I think we might have been better off with Gortat in the game, running the high pick-and-roll earlier in the shot clock, at least to get some ball movement. I understand pulling Gortat in the final 2 minutes because he doesn't guard Porzingis out on the perimeter as well and the crunch time offense is basically John Wall iso's, but Gortat should have been in from the 6 minute mark down to the 2 minute mark.

[Kanyewest]

Damn good win by the good guys. Saw it slipping away as Beal didn't seem to even want to be on the floor and John started going 1-on-5 in the last five minutes. What happened to ball movement? I think that's way too early to go into hibernation mode. Can't just say hey, we won, why complain? Because that's why we lose games on the road. We play that BS prevent offense in the fourth quarter.

Another great game by Otto. Solid game by Kief and Gorat. Beal hopefully will get over the two-game slump. Nice to see Sato at least contribute even though he still passes up too many wide open shots. If you are going to play with John and he passes you the ball, if you're wide open, shoot it. Or he might not pass it to you again. JSmith drives me crazy sometimes but he had to play 23 mintues tonight. Still need more than 4 rebounds in that span.

I would give Smith a pass on this because he was guarding Porzingis from the perimeter.

True but not for all 23 minutes.

Porzingis had 5 rebounds in 29 minutes, so again it isn't like Smith got killed on the boards.

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[payitforward]

Was a terrific win. Increasing our road win % is essential for the team even to compete for the playoffs, & this game against a bad team was definitely one to to put in the W column.

I was only able to see a bit of Q1 & then the whole 2d half. Looks like O'Quinn played great for 21 minutes & then didn't get in again. Was he injured?

A bad night for Beal, who went 0-7 on threes. The rest of the team shot 13-25 on three point attempt -- a tremendous percentage obviously -- and that's what won the game on a night when the Knicks got 2 more shots on basket and 8 more FT attempts. Porter/Morris/Sato combined to go 9-14 on threes -- that's 27 points on 14 shots! Put the game in the W column.

[dckingsfan]

Wow, Lowe was on the court - that's not good. Still, I think the Wiz defense had them locked down that play. As great as John was, Brad was really bad. Otto... matic for the people.

My guess is Lowe is going to be fined heavily

[dobrojim]

Just finished watching the game on a Super Eight film projector.

In the words of the immortal Hands, "Dame."

Heck of a game. When John is focused, he's just flat out great and he stayed locked in most all the way through.

Beal? Looked like he was pressing. One of the worst games he's put in in a long, long time. Too bad for him it happened on national TV.

Porter. Poetry.

Carmelo in the 2nd. Wow.

To sum it up. Woot.

Beal had been outstanding playing at MSG in recent years. Reversion to the mean
(even if his new mean >>> than the 'old BB).

[dobrojim]

Otto Porter is an enigma. He could easily be a Draymond Green type of all-star in the coming years.

what's so hard to figure out about that? It took Green a couple/few years to become who he
now is. If you write off OP's first season when he barely played (we still had TA and Martell),
OP is progressing quite nicely. Hard to predict the future with real certainty but I like
the trend and feel as though he is poised to continue getting better and he's a fine
player right now.

[NatP4]

Otto Porter is an enigma. He could easily be a Draymond Green type of all-star in the coming years.

what's so hard to figure out about that? It took Green a couple/few years to become who he
now is. If you write off OP's first season when he barely played (we still had TA and Martell),
OP is progressing quite nicely. Hard to predict the future with real certainty but I like
the trend and feel as though he is poised to continue getting better and he's a fine
player right now.

Small ball 4 that can do it all and protect the rim? Yes please. Been saying this about Otto from day 1, hoping this is what happens.

[NatP4]

I was slightly intoxicated at the time, but how the hell did we have 100 at the end of 3, and then manage to only score 9 or so points by the 1 minute mark of the 4th? That's terrible lol

And wtf was Brad doing? That was some of the laziest passing I have ever seen, and he NEEDS to improve his 3 ball, being a 40% 3 point shooter while playing with John Wall and being labeled the next Ray Allen is not good enough.

[J-Ves]

I was slightly intoxicated at the time, but how the hell did we have 100 at the end of 3, and then manage to only score 9 or so points by the 1 minute mark of the 4th? That's terrible lol

And wtf was Brad doing? That was some of the laziest passing I have ever seen, and he NEEDS to improve his 3 ball, being a 40% 3 point shooter while playing with John Wall and being labeled the next Ray Allen is not good enough.

Never underestimate this teams abilty to ish the bed any given quarter no mater how good they've looked beforehand. This isn't the first time they laid an egg in the 4th (or 3rd, 2nd, 1st). As to Beal, he's been a top 5 SG this season, and has been insanely consistent all year, so he was due for a couple of terrible games. I think the reason why I and other Wiz fans are so ready to call out Beal at the first sign of trouble is we fear him reverting back to his former self, but when you break down his shot chart the last 2 games he is still taking quality shots they just aren't falling. I'm not worried about the TOs, he has improved his handle and passing this year and his TOs are way down on the season for good reason. I don't really understand your point about Ray Allen.

[NatP4]

I was slightly intoxicated at the time, but how the hell did we have 100 at the end of 3, and then manage to only score 9 or so points by the 1 minute mark of the 4th? That's terrible lol

And wtf was Brad doing? That was some of the laziest passing I have ever seen, and he NEEDS to improve his 3 ball, being a 40% 3 point shooter while playing with John Wall and being labeled the next Ray Allen is not good enough.

Never underestimate this teams abilty to ish the bed any given quarter no mater how good they've looked beforehand. This isn't the first time they laid an egg in the 4th (or 3rd, 2nd, 1st). As to Beal, he's been a top 5 SG this season, and has been insanely consistent all year, so he was due for a couple of terrible games. I think the reason why I and other Wiz fans are so ready to call out Beal at the first sign of trouble is we fear him reverting back to his former self, but when you break down his shot chart the last 2 games he is still taking quality shots they just aren't falling. I'm not worried about the TOs, he has improved his handle and passing this year and his TOs are way down on the season for good reason. I don't really understand your point about Ray Allen.

I think everyone knows that Bradley Beal is supposed to be that 3 point sharpshooter, yet he hasn't really improved his 3 ball all of his career, playing next to John Wall, he should be a better shooter.

If you take away the John Wall effect, Beal is just an average 3pt shooter no?

[J-Ves]

I was slightly intoxicated at the time, but how the hell did we have 100 at the end of 3, and then manage to only score 9 or so points by the 1 minute mark of the 4th? That's terrible lol

And wtf was Brad doing? That was some of the laziest passing I have ever seen, and he NEEDS to improve his 3 ball, being a 40% 3 point shooter while playing with John Wall and being labeled the next Ray Allen is not good enough.

Never underestimate this teams abilty to ish the bed any given quarter no mater how good they've looked beforehand. This isn't the first time they laid an egg in the 4th (or 3rd, 2nd, 1st). As to Beal, he's been a top 5 SG this season, and has been insanely consistent all year, so he was due for a couple of terrible games. I think the reason why I and other Wiz fans are so ready to call out Beal at the first sign of trouble is we fear him reverting back to his former self, but when you break down his shot chart the last 2 games he is still taking quality shots they just aren't falling. I'm not worried about the TOs, he has improved his handle and passing this year and his TOs are way down on the season for good reason. I don't really understand your point about Ray Allen.

I think everyone knows that Bradley Beal is supposed to be that 3 point sharpshooter, yet he hasn't really improved his 3 ball all of his career, playing next to John Wall, he should be a better shooter.

If you take away the John Wall effect, Beal is just an average 3pt shooter no?

I don't know how to check that. Anyone know how you can see how a player does without another player on the court?

[tontoz]

I was slightly intoxicated at the time, but how the hell did we have 100 at the end of 3, and then manage to only score 9 or so points by the 1 minute mark of the 4th? That's terrible lol

And wtf was Brad doing? That was some of the laziest passing I have ever seen, and he NEEDS to improve his 3 ball, being a 40% 3 point shooter while playing with John Wall and being labeled the next Ray Allen is not good enough.

Never underestimate this teams abilty to ish the bed any given quarter no mater how good they've looked beforehand. This isn't the first time they laid an egg in the 4th (or 3rd, 2nd, 1st). As to Beal, he's been a top 5 SG this season, and has been insanely consistent all year, so he was due for a couple of terrible games. I think the reason why I and other Wiz fans are so ready to call out Beal at the first sign of trouble is we fear him reverting back to his former self, but when you break down his shot chart the last 2 games he is still taking quality shots they just aren't falling. I'm not worried about the TOs, he has improved his handle and passing this year and his TOs are way down on the season for good reason. I don't really understand your point about Ray Allen.

I think everyone knows that Bradley Beal is supposed to be that 3 point sharpshooter, yet he hasn't really improved his 3 ball all of his career, playing next to John Wall, he should be a better shooter.

If you take away the John Wall effect, Beal is just an average 3pt shooter no?

The one thing Beal has done consistently well over the years is shoot 3s. He has never shot over 80% from the foul line for a full season so comparing him to Ray Allen is ridiculous at this point.

[NatP4]

Never underestimate this teams abilty to ish the bed any given quarter no mater how good they've looked beforehand. This isn't the first time they laid an egg in the 4th (or 3rd, 2nd, 1st). As to Beal, he's been a top 5 SG this season, and has been insanely consistent all year, so he was due for a couple of terrible games. I think the reason why I and other Wiz fans are so ready to call out Beal at the first sign of trouble is we fear him reverting back to his former self, but when you break down his shot chart the last 2 games he is still taking quality shots they just aren't falling. I'm not worried about the TOs, he has improved his handle and passing this year and his TOs are way down on the season for good reason. I don't really understand your point about Ray Allen.

I think everyone knows that Bradley Beal is supposed to be that 3 point sharpshooter, yet he hasn't really improved his 3 ball all of his career, playing next to John Wall, he should be a better shooter.

If you take away the John Wall effect, Beal is just an average 3pt shooter no?

The one thing Beal has done consistently well over the years is shoot 3s. He has never shot over 80% from the foul line for a full season so comparing him to Ray Allen is ridiculous at this point.

I wasn't serious about the ray Allen comparison, the point is simply that he should shoot a better percentage from 3, he hasn't even been 40% the last couple of years.

[tontoz]

I think everyone knows that Bradley Beal is supposed to be that 3 point sharpshooter, yet he hasn't really improved his 3 ball all of his career, playing next to John Wall, he should be a better shooter.

If you take away the John Wall effect, Beal is just an average 3pt shooter no?

The one thing Beal has done consistently well over the years is shoot 3s. He has never shot over 80% from the foul line for a full season so comparing him to Ray Allen is ridiculous at this point.

I wasn't serious about the ray Allen comparison, the point is simply that he should shoot a better percentage from 3, he hasn't even been 40% the last couple of years.

So what? Over the 1st 4 seasons he was a sub 80% foul shooter and sub 40% on midrange shots so why do you expect him to be above 40% from 3, especially this season when he is taking more contested 3s than ever?

[nate33]

Otto Porter is an enigma. He could easily be a Draymond Green type of all-star in the coming years.

what's so hard to figure out about that? It took Green a couple/few years to become who he
now is. If you write off OP's first season when he barely played (we still had TA and Martell),
OP is progressing quite nicely. Hard to predict the future with real certainty but I like
the trend and feel as though he is poised to continue getting better and he's a fine
player right now.

I say the blueprint is more Shawn Marion than Draymond Green; but yes, Otto can become an elite role-player who is arguably more valuable than a second tier "star".

[nate33]

I was slightly intoxicated at the time, but how the hell did we have 100 at the end of 3, and then manage to only score 9 or so points by the 1 minute mark of the 4th? That's terrible lol

And wtf was Brad doing? That was some of the laziest passing I have ever seen, and he NEEDS to improve his 3 ball, being a 40% 3 point shooter while playing with John Wall and being labeled the next Ray Allen is not good enough.

Beal has improved his 3-point shot tremendously this year.

There's a big difference between averaging 40% on 4.8 3PA's per game and averaging 40% on 7.1 3PA's per game.

You only get so many wide open looks per game. Each additional 3P attempt is going to be more contested with less set-up time. The fact that Beal has dramatically increased his 3P attempts with no decline in efficiency is fantastic.

[penbeast0]

I was just thinking (which is always scary) that we actually have a legit big 3 now.

Are they as good as Wall, Crawford and Blatche though?

I thought our big 3 of the future was Wall, Blatche, and Javaaaaaale McGeeeeeee! J. Crawford was always the next J. Crawford.

[tontoz]

I was just thinking (which is always scary) that we actually have a legit big 3 now.

Are they as good as Wall, Crawford and Blatche though?

I thought our big 3 of the future was Wall, Blatche, and Javaaaaaale McGeeeeeee! J. Crawford was always the next J. Crawford.

queridiculo was referencing Ted's blog when Ted said "a new big 3 have announced their arrival".

[bsilver]

Hard to complain with play lately, but it looks like Gortat is getting worn down. We've been out hustled/muscled last 3 games, giving up lots of offensive rebounds around the basket. Splitting time at C with Mahinmi would definitely help.

Impressed with Porzingis slam over Porter. Wow!

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Was a terrific win. Increasing our road win % is essential for the team even to compete for the playoffs, & this game against a bad team was definitely one to to put in the W column.

I was only able to see a bit of Q1 & then the whole 2d half. Looks like O'Quinn played great for 21 minutes & then didn't get in again. Was he injured?

A bad night for Beal, who went 0-7 on threes. The rest of the team shot 13-25 on three point attempt -- a tremendous percentage obviously -- and that's what won the game on a night when the Knicks got 2 more shots on basket and 8 more FT attempts. Porter/Morris/Sato combined to go 9-14 on threes -- that's 27 points on 14 shots! Put the game in the W column.

Wow, you missed the 2nd? Go back and watch. Melo was unreal. Jordanesque. We defended him pretty well, but it didn't matter. He set a Knicks record for points in a quarter.