Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[gambitx777]

My hunch is still Tyreke Evans. Since he's come back from an injury, he's been putting up great numbers off the bench, and NO's going nowhere. Hmmm, they could use a center like Mahinmi... if he ever gets healthy again - to play next to Anthony Davis. But we'd have to give up our 2017 1st rounder to make that trade happen.

I would probe the waters with, mahinmi and 2 seconds (2017 and 2018) for Evans and Ajinca. Maybe end up offering a 2019 protected first. which is what korver went for. Evens would be huge off the bench and at least Ajinca can be serviceable for 15 a game. and we dump a bad contract, then you look to dump nicholson at the dead line.

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What's that old bible story? Esau comes out of the fields after working hard all day, and he's really really hungry, so he trades his birthright for a bowl of porridge.

Lot of suggested trades along those lines in this thread....

[Ruzious]

What's that old bible story? Esau comes out of the fields after working hard all day, and he's really really hungry, so he trades his birthright for a bowl of porridge.

Lot of suggested trades along those lines in this thread....

We don't have much more than a couple of bowls of second-hand cold porridge to trade.

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As our "birthright" in that story, I had cast the R1 picks some people seem so eager to be rid of.

[Illuminaire]

Keef costs 8 million, and that draft pick is not going to contribute right away, ESPECIALLY if you take the high upside guy.

You don't need high upside to equal Morris. So that is moot.

The draftee would cost less than half of Keef's salary, and be locked in for a longer deal. That is still a real benefit.

Lastly, what exactly did the Wiz accomplish last season? What are they going to do this season that's worth the long term health of the team? The constant Morris-style bandaids are exactly why the team is perpetually trapped in a Quixotean quest for the 8th seed.

[NatP4]

Keef costs 8 million, and that draft pick is not going to contribute right away, ESPECIALLY if you take the high upside guy.

You don't need high upside to equal Morris. So that is moot.

The draftee would cost less than half of Keef's salary, and be locked in for a longer deal. That is still a real benefit.

Lastly, what exactly did the Wiz accomplish last season? What are they going to do this season that's worth the long term health of the team? The constant Morris-style bandaids are exactly why the team is perpetually trapped in a Quixotean quest for the 8th seed.

We're a game out of the 4th seed

[montestewart]

Keef costs 8 million, and that draft pick is not going to contribute right away, ESPECIALLY if you take the high upside guy.

You don't need high upside to equal Morris. So that is moot.

The draftee would cost less than half of Keef's salary, and be locked in for a longer deal. That is still a real benefit.

Lastly, what exactly did the Wiz accomplish last season? What are they going to do this season that's worth the long term health of the team? The constant Morris-style bandaids are exactly why the team is perpetually trapped in a Quixotean quest for the 8th seed.

We're a game out of the 4th seed

Don't forget Wizards fan PTSD. It's like you're in a Twilight Zone episode where everyone's celebrating success and you're the only one to realize that flesh eating aliens just pulled their car up to the drive-thru window called Earth and ordered "Everyone, well done." Oh, here's where I switch to Rosemary's Baby: "This is no dream, this is really happening!" Which is the dream, and which is reality? Time to switch to hands: "We will see." Go Wiz!

[dckingsfan]

Keef costs 8 million, and that draft pick is not going to contribute right away, ESPECIALLY if you take the high upside guy.

You don't need high upside to equal Morris. So that is moot.

The draftee would cost less than half of Keef's salary, and be locked in for a longer deal. That is still a real benefit.

Lastly, what exactly did the Wiz accomplish last season? What are they going to do this season that's worth the long term health of the team? The constant Morris-style bandaids are exactly why the team is perpetually trapped in a Quixotean quest for the 8th seed.

We're a game out of the 4th seed

Let me help you NatP4

We're a game out of the 4th seed

[gambitx777]

What's that old bible story? Esau comes out of the fields after working hard all day, and he's really really hungry, so he trades his birthright for a bowl of porridge.

Lot of suggested trades along those lines in this thread....

I don't think you are talking to me but, its worth calling the pells for evans. They are not going to be able to keep him, they might take a pick for him and give us a center they are not playing for a good defensive anchor to play next to or behind their star PF. Man can you imagine a line up of Tomas, Evans and Kelley. That would be a wild bench line up.

[Ruzious]

As our "birthright" in that story, I had cast the R1 picks some people seem so eager to be rid of.

Unfortunately, our GM put the team in a situation where - unless they offload a contract - lux tax restrictions are going to prevent them from doing most things that would otherwise be very beneficial. And if Porter works up to a max contract, the lux tax turns into a python twisting it's way around Uncle Ted's assets.

[gambitx777]

As our "birthright" in that story, I had cast the R1 picks some people seem so eager to be rid of.

Unfortunately, our GM put the team in a situation where - unless they offload a contract - lux tax restrictions are going to prevent them from doing most things that would otherwise be very beneficial. And if Porter works up to a max contract, the lux tax turns into a python twisting it's way around Uncle Ted's assets.

The tax, while scary, is not that big of an issue for ted if we are contending its worth it, Because he owns two teams and the building. The money he is bringing in is insane compared to what is reported as profit. I don't see mahinmi being on the team after the dead line, I think we move him. I think we also move Nicholson as well.

[tontoz]

As our "birthright" in that story, I had cast the R1 picks some people seem so eager to be rid of.

Trading first round picks makes zero sense unless we are getting an All-Star caliber player. With all the money we paid to scrubs we simply can't afford to keep trading away draft picks.

[gambitx777]

As our "birthright" in that story, I had cast the R1 picks some people seem so eager to be rid of.

Trading first round picks makes zero sense unless we are getting an All-Star caliber player. With all the money we paid to scrubs we simply can't afford to keep trading away draft picks.

Thats not really true. Korver went for a first, hes not an all star anymore. Its the market. Plus is we can move Nicholson or Mahinmi, in deals that help our bench, You absolutely **** do it. Getting two solid bench players or spot starters and moving a bad contract, is just as valuable as getting an all star.

[tontoz]

As our "birthright" in that story, I had cast the R1 picks some people seem so eager to be rid of.

Trading first round picks makes zero sense unless we are getting an All-Star caliber player. With all the money we paid to scrubs we simply can't afford to keep trading away draft picks.

Thats not really true. Korver went for a first, hes not an all star anymore. Its the market. Plus is we can move Nicholson or Mahinmi, in deals that help our bench, You absolutely **** do it. Getting two solid bench players or spot starters and moving a bad contract, is just as valuable as getting an all star.

We aren't the defending champs.

[gambitx777]

Trading first round picks makes zero sense unless we are getting an All-Star caliber player. With all the money we paid to scrubs we simply can't afford to keep trading away draft picks.

Thats not really true. Korver went for a first, hes not an all star anymore. Its the market. Plus is we can move Nicholson or Mahinmi, in deals that help our bench, You absolutely **** do it. Getting two solid bench players or spot starters and moving a bad contract, is just as valuable as getting an all star.

We aren't the defending champs.

We are not a terrible team either. What will trading Gortat and a pick for another center do for us? nothing, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues, and a couple of contracts that we need to move. What would trading Morris and a pick for another PF do for us? very little, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues and a couple of contracts that we need to move. We either need to do nothing, and hit the free agent market and beef up the point guard spot and hope Mahinmi comes back in shape, Or we make moves to make the bench better and you pay the price to do so. You either do what the team needs, and pay the price to do it, or do nothing at all.

[tontoz]

Thats not really true. Korver went for a first, hes not an all star anymore. Its the market. Plus is we can move Nicholson or Mahinmi, in deals that help our bench, You absolutely **** do it. Getting two solid bench players or spot starters and moving a bad contract, is just as valuable as getting an all star.

We aren't the defending champs.

We are not a terrible team either. What will trading Gortat and a pick for another center do for us? nothing, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues, and a couple of contracts that we need to move. What would trading Morris and a pick for another PF do for us? very little, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues and a couple of contracts that we need to move. We either need to do nothing, and hit the free agent market and beef up the point guard spot and hope Mahinmi comes back in shape, Or we make moves to make the bench better and you pay the price to do so. You either do what the team needs, and pay the price to do it, or do nothing at all.

We have a great starting 3. Gortat is a decent starting 5 and Morris is a bad starter. We simply aren't that good, and trading away draft picks is a big reason why our bench is the worst in the league.

[Meliorus]

Thats not really true. Korver went for a first, hes not an all star anymore. Its the market. Plus is we can move Nicholson or Mahinmi, in deals that help our bench, You absolutely **** do it. Getting two solid bench players or spot starters and moving a bad contract, is just as valuable as getting an all star.

We aren't the defending champs.

We are not a terrible team either. What will trading Gortat and a pick for another center do for us? nothing, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues, and a couple of contracts that we need to move. What would trading Morris and a pick for another PF do for us? very little, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues and a couple of contracts that we need to move. We either need to do nothing, and hit the free agent market and beef up the point guard spot and hope Mahinmi comes back in shape, Or we make moves to make the bench better and you pay the price to do so. You either do what the team needs, and pay the price to do it, or do nothing at all.

We don't even have a top 10 player in the league. Nobody wins in the NBA anymore without a MVP player. What's the end goal here? 2nd best team in the East? If so, surrounding the core with solid veterans is the way to go. But honestly, I think your views align exactly with Ted's and Ernie's goals.

[NatP4]

We aren't the defending champs.

We are not a terrible team either. What will trading Gortat and a pick for another center do for us? nothing, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues, and a couple of contracts that we need to move. What would trading Morris and a pick for another PF do for us? very little, we still have a great starting 5 and bench issues and a couple of contracts that we need to move. We either need to do nothing, and hit the free agent market and beef up the point guard spot and hope Mahinmi comes back in shape, Or we make moves to make the bench better and you pay the price to do so. You either do what the team needs, and pay the price to do it, or do nothing at all.

We don't even have a top 10 player in the league. Nobody wins in the NBA anymore without a MVP player. What's the end goal here? 2nd best team in the East? If so, surrounding the core with solid veterans is the way to go. But honestly, I think your views align exactly with Ted's and Ernie's goals.

You don't think John Wall is a MVP candidate if we continue at this pace and finish 2nd best in the east? Doesn't a 2nd place finish draw FAs to DC? We have some of the top players at their position in the east, you don't think this team can ever win the east without a top 10 player? Lebron is getting old you know.

[Ruzious]

As our "birthright" in that story, I had cast the R1 picks some people seem so eager to be rid of.

Unfortunately, our GM put the team in a situation where - unless they offload a contract - lux tax restrictions are going to prevent them from doing most things that would otherwise be very beneficial. And if Porter works up to a max contract, the lux tax turns into a python twisting it's way around Uncle Ted's assets.

The tax, while scary, is not that big of an issue for ted if we are contending its worth it, Because he owns two teams and the building. The money he is bringing in is insane compared to what is reported as profit. I don't see mahinmi being on the team after the dead line, I think we move him. I think we also move Nicholson as well.

We'll see. I think we'd have to be at least an Eastern Conference Champ contender to justify going into luxtaxland, and Ted is first and foremost a businessman, so I can't blame him if he refuses to go enter it - even though it was his man's moves that got them there. See Kev's article http://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/1/13/14266582/washington-wizards-future-team-analysis-nba-free-agency-cap-space-analysis We're caught between a rock and a hard place this offseason. If we sign Otto to max or near max, is there a realistic way to avoid the lux tax without giving up a pick(s) to another team? Is there a stretch provision or something like that that the Wiz have access to?

[deneem4]

I like the ideal of tyreke

Tyreke
Mirotic
Nurkic
Hawes

Should all be on our radar...

Maybe we can get in the clippers and suns business and get Paul Pierce back so they can get tucker