2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[bondom34]

Have at it.

[Pillendreher]

Tim Hardaway Junior:

35.7 % Catch and Shoot 3s
38.3 % Spot Up FG%
37.1 % Open and Wide Open 3P%

He might be worth a flier, especially since the Hawks apparently want to get rid of him.

[spearsy23]

Tim Hardaway Junior:

35.7 % Catch and Shoot 3s
38.3 % Spot Up FG%
37.1 % Open and Wide Open 3P%

He might be worth a flier, especially since the Hawks apparently want to get rid of him.

I'd like to get him but I'm afraid we'd use either him or abrines and not both.

[itzmrgigglez]

Tim Hardaway Junior:

35.7 % Catch and Shoot 3s
38.3 % Spot Up FG%
37.1 % Open and Wide Open 3P%

He might be worth a flier, especially since the Hawks apparently want to get rid of him.

I think he's just another project like waiters or mclemore. Not interested at all and he's not a true 3 either way

[Pillendreher]

Tim Hardaway Junior:

35.7 % Catch and Shoot 3s
38.3 % Spot Up FG%
37.1 % Open and Wide Open 3P%

He might be worth a flier, especially since the Hawks apparently want to get rid of him.

I think he's just another project like waiters or mclemore. Not interested at all and he's not a true 3 either way

These are the guys you take chances on tho. 20th in RPM for SGs. He's not Waiters/McLemore level bad.

[bondom34]

Tim Hardaway Junior:

35.7 % Catch and Shoot 3s
38.3 % Spot Up FG%
37.1 % Open and Wide Open 3P%

He might be worth a flier, especially since the Hawks apparently want to get rid of him.

I think he's just another project like waiters or mclemore. Not interested at all and he's not a true 3 either way

These are the guys you take chances on tho. 20th in RPM for SGs. He's not Waiters/McLemore level bad.

What do you pay him this offseason?

[Pillendreher]

I think he's just another project like waiters or mclemore. Not interested at all and he's not a true 3 either way

These are the guys you take chances on tho. 20th in RPM for SGs. He's not Waiters/McLemore level bad.

What do you pay him this offseason?

We'd pass that bridge after evaluating him for the last 30 games or so. Spend those 2nd rounders on him and see what he can do with this team. If he can't do ****, you just let him walk. Nothing gained, nothing lost.

[bondom34]

These are the guys you take chances on tho. 20th in RPM for SGs. He's not Waiters/McLemore level bad.

What do you pay him this offseason?

We'd pass that bridge after evaluating him for the last 30 games or so. Spend those 2nd rounders on him and see what he can do with this team. If he can't do ****, you just let him walk. Nothing gained, nothing lost.

Other than the seconds, which you could possibly use better elsewhere. And that they really need a 3 more than a 2.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Norman Powell. A big time 3pt shooter that isn't a defensive liability. 20th in RPM for SGs, but he's never going to get significant playing time in Toronto with DeRozen there. Toronto is in win now mode so Kanter for Powell, Poeltl, the Clipper's first round pick, and cap filler like Sullinger and Patterson. It gives Toronto a dynamic post scorer, drastically improves OKC's wing rotation and gives Presti another first round pick to play with.

That might be wishful thinking on Kanter's trade value.

[spearsy23]

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Norman Powell. A big time 3pt shooter that isn't a defensive liability. 20th in RPM for SGs, but he's never going to get significant playing time in Toronto with DeRozen there. Toronto is in win now mode so Kanter for Powell, Poeltl, the Clipper's first round pick, and cap filler like Sullinger and Patterson. It gives Toronto a dynamic post scorer, drastically improves OKC's wing rotation and gives Presti another first round pick to play with.

That might be wishful thinking on Kanter's trade value.

Even if Kanter has that value there's no chance tToronto would do it. They think val is a poor defender and often sit him in crunch time. Plus they have two solid backup centers and are weak at pf.

Beyond that I'd take Patterson for Kanter straight up.

[Osirus89]

Norman Powell. A big time 3pt shooter that isn't a defensive liability. 20th in RPM for SGs, but he's never going to get significant playing time in Toronto with DeRozen there. Toronto is in win now mode so Kanter for Powell, Poeltl, the Clipper's first round pick, and cap filler like Sullinger and Patterson. It gives Toronto a dynamic post scorer, drastically improves OKC's wing rotation and gives Presti another first round pick to play with.

That might be wishful thinking on Kanter's trade value.

Dude if Kanter has that much value, I would help him pack his bags. Powell is very good and on a really cheap deal. Ujiri would be fired if he traded patterson, poetl, and powell for Kanter. That's as good as what we got for Serge.

Having said that I really like the idea if another team was involved and we got a wing in the deal. If they really felt like Kanter was better than Val, they could take Kanter, move Jonas to another team, and we get a wing player from the third team.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I'd take Val and Powell for Kanter in an instant. I didn't realize Toronto was so down on Val.

[Pillendreher]

They might be low on Val, but not that low.

[spearsy23]

They might be low on Val, but not that low.

for real. They don't like him because they consider him a bad defender, so offering then kanter would be hilarious.

[thor19]

Bleacher report said we should target terrence ross, westbrook, oladipo, ross, grant, adams all dunking team !!

[ThunderBolt]

Bleacher report said we should target terrence ross, westbrook, oladipo, ross, grant, adams all dunking team !!

Who do we give up?

[Osirus89]

Bleacher report said we should target terrence ross, westbrook, oladipo, ross, grant, adams all dunking team !!

Who do we give up?

Ross would be a great fit for this team, but he is a steady contributor for a Raptors team that is going for a playoff run. I don't think they would be interested in most of what we have to offer.

If we end up with a young player, it will probably be someone like KJ McDaniels or Doug McDermott. Hezonja could be pretty intriguing, but he has started to play better, so Orlando is probably wanting to keep him. I like Oubre a lot, but he has started to contribute to Washington. Maybe Nikola Mirotic ? Basically guys that don't see the court that much or are really flawed (Ben McLemore). I don't know what Payne's value is, but its probably not that great. Can't just swap him for another young player if that other player is a starter, and Payne may just end up being a career backup player. Unless you are Sacramento because both of their point guards will be free agents this summer.

Heck the best we can probably do is as far as young guys is Tim Hardaway Jr. That's why I'm hoping its a veteran player. Good young players are too valuable. Would you want to trade Sabonis ?

[ThunderBolt]

The more I read and think about things, I feel that we are stuck. It almost makes more sense to rebuild and position ourselves to be ready in a few years when maybe the warriors and cavs have declined. I don't see how it's possible to get a group of guys around Russ that can really compete for a championship. Our only hope is for Adams and Oladipo to develop to a much greater level than they are currently playing. I don't think it's possible to win a title with one superstar. People have mentioned Houston and what they've done with Harden. I'm watching them get destroyed by Golden State. If fans and management want to keep Westbrook, I understand that. I just don't see how it's feasible to build a cast around RW quick enough before he declines or we lose him.

[Osirus89]

The more I read and think about things, I feel that we are stuck. It almost makes more sense to rebuild and position ourselves to be ready in a few years when maybe the warriors and cavs have declined. I don't see how it's possible to get a group of guys around Russ that can really compete for a championship. Our only hope is for Adams and Oladipo to develop to a much greater level than they are currently playing. I don't think it's possible to win a title with one superstar. People have mentioned Houston and what they've done with Harden. I'm watching them get destroyed by Golden State. If fans and management want to keep Westbrook, I understand that. I just don't see how it's feasible to build a cast around RW quick enough before he declines or we lose him.

I don't think the team is in too bad of a spot at the end of the day. Yeah, the team isn't a contender, but the team isn't that far off in regards to being the next tier below. Are we really that far below the Raptor/Spurs/Jazz/Rockets/ Clippers ? I've felt that the team has the potential to be one of the best teams in the league with or without Durant. Russell is just that good. Zach Lowe had an interesting point about this when he was talking about the Clippers. He was saying its not wise to blow up a consistent 50 win team, because you never know what might happen. The warriors could suffer a horrible injury or two and boom the door is wide open. The Thunder could easily be a 50+ win team with just a little roster improvement. Andre should be the first domino to fall.

You don't want to trade a generational talent unless that player tells you they are leaving. There are teams in far worse positions than the Thunder that are holding onto their stars. Look at the Pelicans and the Kings. Portland is really struggling. It all comes down to this offseason and trade deadline. Presti has to not only make a trade that improves the team, but he has to hit on this draft pick.

I also want to go on the record that I think the team will be very amenable to restructuring if a big time player became available. I don't know who that player might be, but if that was what it took to keep Russell, they would do it.

[bondom34]

Yeah, there's no reason to trade Russ. If you do that you have to trade everything and everyone.

Remember, this team is young.