GT: Brooklyn Nets @ Toronto Raptors - Friday, 1/13/17 7:30pm.

[Pistolpete1947]

Whitehead is turnover prone and a poor shooter. After the first half-dozen games I see no improvement from him in terms of running the offense despite starting for over 30 games. Dinwiddie runs the offense better even with his limited experience. If he had the opportunity Whitehead has had he'd be light years ahead of him IMO. We need to prioritize because when Lin comes back only one will get the backup minutes. Unless Dinwiddie plays lights out for the next week the backup spot will go to Whitehead. This will be a big mistake for the Net's future.

If you don't agree with me on this just compare their stats so far this year. Dinwiddie's are better even though Whitehead has had tons more playing time than him.

Can you imagine if someone did this same kind of half assed assessment on Jeremy Lin at age 21? Just gave up on him after three months into his professional career? I bet your reaction would NOT be positive.

There's no need to prioritize. Both players will get proper time and assessment opportunities.

and i'm really restraining myself by not responding to that nonsense about "a big mistake for the Net's future" by actually attempting to develop Isaiah Whitehead. I'm like literally regretting the Nets ever signing Jeremy Lin every time i read this garbage. Whitehead is trying to learn one of the toughest positions in all of pro sports on the fly. He has been literally thrown into the water and by all accounts has exceeded expectations. I don't really know what else to say that won't trend towards something toxic.

Whitehead is viewed around the league as one of this year's better rookies, and here we have the **** ing peanut gallery saying we should toss the kid in the street.

Look, Pete's been watching the game over 50 years and he's not big on Whitehead. There's no real reason not to support Lin here because Pete's opinion differs from others. It's his opinion and assessment. I'll debate him but he has a right to it.

A very reasonable post bws94. You have a lot of class.

Look guys I've got no axe to grind with IW. He seems like a really good kid, respectful of others and eager to learn. I'm just not seeing him as a NBA player right now. I've been wrong many times before and I hope I'm wrong this time but right now my opinion is that Dinwiddie will be better than him in time.

[Prokorov]

It is nothing short of idiotic to imply the nets are somehow hurting their future by trying to develop whitehead. It is also way off that he hasnt improved over the course of his first 30 games. Whitehead has been a bright spot for the team on the court this year.

As far as last nights game, i thought the team really played well and fought hard. toronto is a good team and we hung with them for most of the game.

We just have no talent. this is how it goes at this stage. but at nearly 1/2 through the year im pumped with how well things are going. never expected things to be so far along this early in the year. guys buying in, effort is a 180 from last year, infrastructure, systems, philosihies all in place. kenny really transofrming guys games.

[Prokorov]

Compare the way that Joel Embiid is elevating the Sixers around him and the way Lopez isn't really elevating anyone.

We need to move on. If we're going to lose, i want some pieces to lose with that we can build for tomorrow with. It's pointless to keep him here and his energy has been really trash, part of me can't blame him because he's been a part of so many losing years he's probably just lost his drive and knows he's going to get traded anyway. We competed for 3 qtrs before reality set in but can we say that Lopez really was the reason why were were playing so hard?

I blame the franchise over the years as well. Being apart of a poor culture has poisoned Lopez. It's a shame he wasn't around when we had Kidd, Carter, true professionals instead of what took place since we drafted him. I hope we can find a good team for him to go that can yield us a good return so everyone gets a fresh start.

Embiid is one of the most talented players to ever step foot in the NBA. Currently averaged 28, 10, 4 blocks per 36. Brook couldn't dream of doing that. Comparing them isn't necessary. Philly also has A LOT more talent than we do.

Lopez has probably handled this garbage as well as anyone could. He's been extra frustrated recently but as a whole, he's been a positive influence on the young guys. Often blaming the struggles on himself. But recently he's been bad. How many YEARS has he put up with this though? Teams with absolutely no talent, coaches changing his playstyle, coaches publicly embarrassing him, no short term or long term plan from the organization. This is another year - as a center - where he has NO ONE to give him the ball in the right spots or in easy spots.

Lopez is a great guy... but he isnt someone you win with. his defense is just too much of a libailty. unless he is your 3rd or 4th best player you wont win many games. for that reason, he needs to go. by the time we have enough talent where he is a 3rd option he will be in his 30s. now is the time to move him if we can

[Prokorov]

Finally some good pg play. Dinwiddie and Foye combined for 19 pts, 10 assists, 1 TO, 8 rebounds, 43% FG%, 75% 3p%.

Dinwiddie has potential just needs more experience.

he needs to keep taking the 3 when he is open. did a good job of that last night.... all year prior it was always pump fake, a couple dribbles, then pass it back out. he needs to take those

[Prokorov]

Dinwiddie has more potential than Whitehead IMO. He is better offensively already and just as good defensively. For the team's future they should concentrate more on developing him than IW.

i think dinwiddie is more a natural point gaurd.... but id say he is way behind whitehead on both ends of the floor.

[ChokeFasncists]

Dinwiddie has more potential than Whitehead IMO. He is better offensively already and just as good defensively. For the team's future they should concentrate more on developing him than IW.

Whitehead is much more talented. He's quicker, more athletic. I don't see why we need to prioritize one over another. Dinwiddie is more of an MCW.


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Whitehead is turnover prone and a poor shooter. After the first half-dozen games I see no improvement from him in terms of running the offense despite starting for over 30 games. Dinwiddie runs the offense better even with his limited experience. If he had the opportunity Whitehead has had he'd be light years ahead of him IMO. We need to prioritize because when Lin comes back only one will get the backup minutes. Unless Dinwiddie plays lights out for the next week the backup spot will go to Whitehead. This will be a big mistake for the Net's future.

If you don't agree with me on this just compare their stats so far this year. Dinwiddie's are better even though Whitehead has had tons more playing time than him.

When Lin is back and LVJ is ready, both of iHead and Diwidi will be coming off the bench anyways. (competing for PT with SKil?) Both of them played SG in college. Both are suitable as combo guards off the bench. Neither is pure point guard. OTOH, if iHead ever gets the NBA range down, he can be a good starter at the 2 spot as a 3&D guy. His D is gonna be outstanding and his J looks good.

[Yit]

Sorry folks was occupied with work. So catching up on tracking players performance vs Raptors 13 Jan 2017

By GCP
Bogdanovic 33
Acy 32
Lopez 25
Hamilton 19
Harris 18
Foye 18
Dinwiddie 16
Booker 15
RHJ 8
Kilpatrick 5
CLV 0
Scola (-1)

Best offensive and defensive effort - No players scored above 10.

Opponent's GCP
C.Jos 49
DMR 42
K.Low 41
L.Nog 33
DMC 33
J.Val 29
T.Ros 20
N.Pow 7
FVV 7
J.Poe 6
P.Sia 2
B.Cab 1

Comparison of best 5 players average Nets (25) vs Raptors (40) - we were outplayed.