2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[Ballerhogger]

KD against 3 MVP candidates LJB RW JH in last 3 games

31 pts 7 reb 5 ast 1.3 stl 2.7 blk 1.3 tur 70% fg in 31 min and +25 +/-

MVP

Agreed. I know I loathe KD choice but this will be seen like when magic, Jordan won mvps on stacked teams. Lebron won it with 2 franchise players as narrative. KD is playing in tougher conference and just unstoppable force this year. It is what is. Harden the favorite of late could not even come close to KD tonight.

[SpreeS]

KD against 3 MVP candidates LJB RW JH in last 3 games

31 pts 7 reb 5 ast 1.3 stl 2.7 blk 1.3 tur 70% fg in 31 min and +25 +/-

MVP

Agreed. I know I loathe KD choice but this will be seen like when magic, Jordan won mvps on stacked teams. Lebron won it with 2 franchise players as narrative. KD is playing in tougher conference and just unstoppable force this year. It is what is. Harden the favorite of late could not even come close to KD tonight.

LJB WB JH together FG 36% avg 7,7 TOV and -24 +/-

[ThePersianFreak]

Stop it, KD wont be the MVP, wether he deservs it or not is another story though.

[Ballerhogger]

Stop it, KD wont be the MVP, wether he deservs it or not is another story though.

He deserves it and he can win it the media changes their stances all the time in sports.

[K_chile22]

Stop it, KD wont be the MVP, wether he deservs it or not is another story though.

He deserves it and he can win it the media changes their stances all the time in sports.

If KD actually wins MVP I'll eat a shoe

[bondom34]

Stop it, KD wont be the MVP, wether he deservs it or not is another story though.

He deserves it and he can win it the media changes their stances all the time in sports.

If KD actually wins MVP I'll eat a shoe

I'll eat my pants.

[Ballerhogger]

Stop it, KD wont be the MVP, wether he deservs it or not is another story though.

He deserves it and he can win it the media changes their stances all the time in sports.

If KD actually wins MVP I'll eat a shoe

Too add this harden not doing any favors for himself right now. 17 pts. .. not enough for mvp. These big match ups always play factor into these awards.

[jangles86]

John Wall will have to be considered if Wizards continue this pace and finish 2nd in the east.

[Ballerhogger]

John Wall will have to be considered if Wizards continue this pace and finish 2nd in the east.

I doubt that happens and no. The East is very subject when it comes to playoff seeding . The west 8th spot ,and clippers seed is the only thing up in the air. The Knicks could easily make the playoffs still.

[K_chile22]

He deserves it and he can win it the media changes their stances all the time in sports.

If KD actually wins MVP I'll eat a shoe

Too add this harden not doing any favors for himself right now. 17 pts. .. not enough for mvp. These big match ups always play factor into these awards.

Yes, I'm sure the voters will go 'remember that time Harden scored an efficient 17, with 11 assists agaisnt a vastly better team in the middle of January? Definitely not MVP'

[michaelm]

They'd have to win 74 first.

The Warriors are different animal this year. KD gives them another inside and outside scorer + better wing defense and rebounding.

You said make them better. That's how he'd make them distinctly better.

Unless they win 74 plus, he's got zero shot

Why exactly?

GSW could be the best regular season with KD the major contributor this year, having been the best regular season team last season with Curry the major determinant of same then. That's pretty much how it is looking just now actually.

Other players may be bigger difference makers on teams which are less well performed, but such players are routinely overlooked in general in MVP awards in favor of players on better performing teams despite those players having more talent surrounding them. I doubt KD will get MVP, too many people don't like his move to GSW apart from anything else, but I don't see much validity to the argument that GSW need to win 74 games for his value to be proven.

[Ballerhogger]

If KD actually wins MVP I'll eat a shoe

Too add this harden not doing any favors for himself right now. 17 pts. .. not enough for mvp. These big match ups always play factor into these awards.

Yes, I'm sure the voters will go 'remember that time Harden scored an efficient 17, with 11 assists agaisnt a vastly better team in the middle of January? Definitely not MVP'

This was shalacking it wasn't even close. So yes they will remember these types of games. We will see where rockets end up and Harden performance and KD performances winds up being after the ASB.

[dorkestra]

If the Sixers somehow make the playoffs, I think Embiid will get a couple votes (not win it). I would vote Westbrook so far.

[Ballerhogger]

If the Sixers somehow make the playoffs, I think Embiid will get a couple votes (not win it). I would vote Westbrook so far.

The 8th seed in the East + guy who had restricted minutes doesn't warrant a MVP consideration.

[dorkestra]

If the Sixers somehow make the playoffs, I think Embiid will get a couple votes (not win it). I would vote Westbrook so far.

The 8th seed in the East + guy who had restricted minutes doesn't warrant a MVP consideration.

Maybe you should watch him a bit more. And consider what the Sixers were like last year.

[bondom34]

The Warriors are different animal this year. KD gives them another inside and outside scorer + better wing defense and rebounding.

You said make them better. That's how he'd make them distinctly better.

Unless they win 74 plus, he's got zero shot

Why exactly?

GSW could be the best regular season with KD the major contributor this year, having been the best regular season team last season with Curry the major determinant of same then. That's pretty much how it is looking just now actually.

Other players may be bigger difference makers on teams which are less well performed, but such players are routinely overlooked in general in MVP awards in favor of players on better performing teams despite those players having more talent surrounding them. I doubt KD will get MVP, too many people don't like his move to GSW apart from anything else, but I don't see much validity to the argument that GSW need to win 74 games for his value to be proven.

Because he has no narrative for him. They're massive title favorites expected to run over the league, they're doing that. He's not winning it, zero chance.

[ken6199]

Too add this harden not doing any favors for himself right now. 17 pts. .. not enough for mvp. These big match ups always play factor into these awards.

Yes, I'm sure the voters will go 'remember that time Harden scored an efficient 17, with 11 assists agaisnt a vastly better team in the middle of January? Definitely not MVP'

This was shalacking it wasn't even close. So yes they will remember these types of games. We will see where rockets end up and Harden performance and KD performances winds up being after the ASB.

People overact way too much over one game.

Harden drops 50/16/17 - wow he has the MVP in the bag.
Harden 'only' scores 17 in a loss to the Warriors - 17 pts, not enough for MVP.

[Ballerhogger]

Yes, I'm sure the voters will go 'remember that time Harden scored an efficient 17, with 11 assists agaisnt a vastly better team in the middle of January? Definitely not MVP'

This was shalacking it wasn't even close. So yes they will remember these types of games. We will see where rockets end up and Harden performance and KD performances winds up being after the ASB.

People overact way too much over one game.

Harden drops 50/16/17 - wow he has the MVP in the bag.
Harden 'only' scores 17 in a loss to the Warriors - 17 pts, not enough for MVP.

It doesn't help his case on national televised game. True it roller-coaster ride for fans. Both game will be noted when it comes to MVP voting. The bigger games always have some sway in the voting.

[michaelm]

You said make them better. That's how he'd make them distinctly better.

Unless they win 74 plus, he's got zero shot

Why exactly?

GSW could be the best regular season with KD the major contributor this year, having been the best regular season team last season with Curry the major determinant of same then. That's pretty much how it is looking just now actually.

Other players may be bigger difference makers on teams which are less well performed, but such players are routinely overlooked in general in MVP awards in favor of players on better performing teams despite those players having more talent surrounding them. I doubt KD will get MVP, too many people don't like his move to GSW apart from anything else, but I don't see much validity to the argument that GSW need to win 74 games for his value to be proven.

Because he has no narrative for him. They're massive title favorites expected to run over the league, they're doing that. He's not winning it, zero chance.

Sure, I don't think he would get MVP even if GSW won 76 games for exactly that reason, but misinterpreted your argument as being that GSW would need to win 74 for KD to deserve the award because GSW won 73 last year; whether or not he could possibly deserve the award was a question I thought, perhaps wrongly, had been raised by a previous poster. I think it is quite likely he will be the best regular season player in the NBA this season, rather than that he will be given the actual MVP award.

[bondom34]

Why exactly?

GSW could be the best regular season with KD the major contributor this year, having been the best regular season team last season with Curry the major determinant of same then. That's pretty much how it is looking just now actually.

Other players may be bigger difference makers on teams which are less well performed, but such players are routinely overlooked in general in MVP awards in favor of players on better performing teams despite those players having more talent surrounding them. I doubt KD will get MVP, too many people don't like his move to GSW apart from anything else, but I don't see much validity to the argument that GSW need to win 74 games for his value to be proven.

Because he has no narrative for him. They're massive title favorites expected to run over the league, they're doing that. He's not winning it, zero chance.

Sure, I don't think he would get MVP even if GSW won 76 games for exactly that reason, but misinterpreted your argument as being that GSW would need to win 74 for KD to deserve the award because GSW won 73 last year; whether or not he could possibly deserve the award was a question I thought, perhaps wrongly, had been raised by a previous poster. I think it is quite likely he will be the best regular season player in the NBA this season, rather than that he will be given the actual MVP award.

To be honest, I'm not sure. I wouldn't say he deserves it either way, as what he's doing isn't more valuable than what others are.