Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Asian Celtic]

A whole lot of dumb going on in this thread right now. At first I thought I went into the Knicks forum.

Agreed, Thread went to the toilet as soon as every post i saw had MELO in it.

[tlee324]

Jusuf Nurkic, anyone?

[Patsfan1081]

Why's he a scrub?

He can't get minutes over another scrub like Meeks. Even when Elfrid Payton was playing like crap he could still get minutes in the low 20s, Mario? Could only sniff the floor in garbage time.

Meeks is two years removed from good D and a great 3-point shooting season for the Lakers. Jaylen Brown hasn't been able to beat out Jonas Jerebko for minutes. You have to have a read on where a player is developmentally, and which of the difficulties he's having are likely to be ironed out by experience.

I'm not going to label Mario a bust yet, he's still young. Trading Bradley for him is absolutely horrible though, even if you're not a Bradley fan if Ainge were to move Bradley to the Magic he should be able to get much more of a return. Meeks is a scrub, let's be honest. Orlando is in a much different situation currently and Brown is a rookie. Mario has also played a bit of professional ball befor coming over here for a pretty good program. If Brown is still being block for minutes like Mario is next season then Ainge has missed on the pick. You also really need to go back and compare the two if you believe Mario makes Bradley at 21 look like a d leaguer. Not only was Avery a much better defender but he was a more effiecent shooter. I honestly don't know how you came up with this.

[grindtime22]

You also really need to go back and compare the two if you believe Mario makes Bradley at 21 look like a d leaguer. Not only was Avery a much better defender but he was a more effiecent shooter. I honestly don't know how you came up with this.

Yeah it is crazy talk. Bradley wasn't just a rotation player for us, he was enormous for our team that 2nd year in the league. He was a huge reason the Celtics turned that season around after the all star break. He was making people cry on the defensive end. He took over as a starter and Ray Allen didn't get his job back.

Once he took over as a starter, he put in 12 points a game on 50/47/80 shooting while playing probably the best defense of his career.

[FlatearthZorro]

I was about to bring this up, but was going to swing a little bigger: Whiteside going to us. I don't think we will have any interest in Vucevic at all.

With Vucevic it's possible to maintain max space this offseason, with Whiteside it is not

Whiteside >>> max cap space this summer.

Whitesid makes us a legit n2 with outside shot at CLE. He's a beast. As you wrote tho, I wouldn't trade Brown or any of the BKN picks. Id trade MEM pick + Min + 1 young guy(smart or rozier) + Amir and Jerebko(Hassan's making around 20 mils).

Edit: I expect the Raptors to go hard at Milsap at the deadline. I think their window is much shorter than ours. Lowry has had his fair share of injuries and he'll be 31 in 2 months.

[Iguodaladon]

People emphasize his defense as an issue and it is to some degree, but what I find annoying about his games is he shies away from contact, both when it comes to setting proper screens and getting to the rim as opposed to settling for long distance shots. Not sure if that type of player would help IT.
One thing I love about Chandler is he's top 3 in the art of setting screens. But he'd also likely clog the paint for IT because he can't explode to the rim anymore.

I think Olynyk has cornered the market on feeble 7ft jump shooters

Look, again, I know we're worried about the cap - but getting Vucevic at a discount... He's 26 years old, if you accomodate your offensive system to him even a little bit, he can give you 18 points - maybe more - on +.500 shooting, and double-digit rebounds. Not a three-point shooter, doesn't draw fouls, and he's been considered weak defensively, but has improved this year under Vogel. He is, and has been, their best player for years.

Something like Bradley, Crowder, LAC 1st for Hezonja, Vucevic, ORL 17 unprotected? Hezonja's going to be a star, and they don't have patience to play him, he's finally getting minutes now because of injuries and making some big plays.

I wouldn't mind Vucevic, I've been a big supporter of getting Greg Monroe for a while who's a similar player, so I can definitely see how shoring up one of our main weaknesses would help. He used to have some massive games a few years back as well, I rememeber him going off for 20-20 games against the LeBron led Heat, so the guy's got game.

And yeah, would love to get Hezonja in a package as well, but would he really get played here anymore than he does in Orlando?

[GregB]

Jusuf Nurkic, anyone?

Maybe for a crappy pick. His advanced stats are pretty bad and I don't think he really fits into our style of play. But we could use a big and he is on a cheap deal.

[Banks2Pierce]

Jusuf Nurkic, anyone?

Maybe for a crappy pick. His advanced stats are pretty bad and I don't think he really fits into our style of play. But we could use a big and he is on a cheap deal.

Yeah, what is his price? His advanced stats are pretty mixed. He was 64th in RPM his rookie year and looked elite defensively as a youngin. Has been poor since then, but it's tough to parse out how much of that is the injury and if he'll be able to get it back. If we didn't have Zizic coming in, I think it'd be an easy decision to grab him.

[BakersDozen]

So Stephen A says yesterday Melo would waive his ntc for three teams (Boston was one of the three teams) and now this morning Gorman says people in the Cs front office think he would fit Brads system....


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[darrendaye]

Jusuf Nurkic, anyone?

Maybe for a crappy pick. His advanced stats are pretty bad and I don't think he really fits into our style of play. But we could use a big and he is on a cheap deal.

It's a bit of a tough call. I still have hope the guy can be a force, but, I can't know his work ethic and drive. He fits the same style of play that Amir currently provides. If they pick him up, they are resigning themselves to either get rid of Amir or basically have more minutes of Amir style play (i.e. no stretch threat). Zizic is coming over next year and he is almost certainly tabbed to replace Amir.

Now Nurkic is not completely a newbie as a 3 point shooter. He was successful in juniors play during a 5 game tournament shooting, a tiny 15 shot sample size, he hit 7. He's had very sporatic attempts beyond that, but reportedly was doing a good deal of work on it during his rehab. Of course he has not tried any in game since returning.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Jusuf-Nurkic/Summary/32965#International

If they kick the tires, I'd offer the Clippers 1st rounder and 2nd rounders for him. Would be willing to send Mickey too since he is in the same boat in terms of offensive fit and they don't seem too focused on developing his "stretchability." But, as you said, do they see the offensive fit? We could certainly use the reliability on the boards element at least.

[London2Boston]

So Stephen A says yesterday Melo would waive his ntc for three teams (Boston was one of the three teams) and now this morning Gorman says people in the Cs front office think he would fit Brads system....


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What? He doesn't fit the system at all. Dude is a black hole with no D. That said, if you aren't giving up any of the core or Nets picks and he's happy to accept his role, then I don't see why not..get I.T some help.

[SmartWentCrazy]

So Stephen A says yesterday Melo would waive his ntc for three teams (Boston was one of the three teams) and now this morning Gorman says people in the Cs front office think he would fit Brads system....


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I said it a few pages ago, but I've come to accept the fact that Ainge is gunna trade for Melo. He won't give up Brown or a BKN pick, but I can see him offering Rozier/Zeller/Amir/Mickey/MEM19/LAC19 for him and Kyle O'Quinn, and I could see Phil accepting cuz he wants to full on rebuild. Then maybe we make the rumored Jae for Ibaka deal.

An IT/AB/Melo/Ibaka/Horford team is interesting, I guess. Never gunna compete for a title, but would beat Toronto handedly. We'd need those BKN picks to hit though, but I guess that's no different than where we are now. Still don't like it though, to be honest. Not a big fan of Melo. But I guess if we punted our cap space it means we know Hayward and Griffin aren't interested in leaving.

[BleedGreen1989]

Makes me sad thinking we'd deal for Melo.

However, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Ainge has been saying for two years our biggest need is somebody who can score at the end of games.

[SmartWentCrazy]

So Stephen A says yesterday Melo would waive his ntc for three teams (Boston was one of the three teams) and now this morning Gorman says people in the Cs front office think he would fit Brads system....


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What? He doesn't fit the system at all. Dude is a black hole with no D. That said, if you aren't giving up any of the core or Nets picks and he's happy to accept his role, then I don't see why not..get I.T some help.

Brad runs a system similar to the US Olympic team, where Melo has always looked his best. I don't doubt that he's talked with Coach K-- if we traded for him, he'd be confident that he could get Melo to buy in.

[165bows]

So Stephen A says yesterday Melo would waive his ntc for three teams (Boston was one of the three teams) and now this morning Gorman says people in the Cs front office think he would fit Brads system....


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Trying to figure out how they can even structure an Anthony deal without including Amir. They are short enough in the front court already I'd think.

[darrendaye]

So Stephen A says yesterday Melo would waive his ntc for three teams (Boston was one of the three teams) and now this morning Gorman says people in the Cs front office think he would fit Brads system....


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Then maybe we make the rumored Jae for Ibaka deal.

I've got the bigger issue if that had to be the next shoe to drop. IMO, more likely Ibaka will be an albatross contract than someone who will be worth it.

[SmartWentCrazy]

So Stephen A says yesterday Melo would waive his ntc for three teams (Boston was one of the three teams) and now this morning Gorman says people in the Cs front office think he would fit Brads system....


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Then maybe we make the rumored Jae for Ibaka deal.

I've got the bigger issue if that had to be the next shoe to drop. IMO, more likely Ibaka will be an albatross contract than someone who will be worth it.

I definitely agree and don't particularly love that deal (nor hate it, tbh). I just think that, if we trade for Melo, cap space no longer matters and the size of Ibakas next deal is irrelevant.

[fallguy]

Then maybe we make the rumored Jae for Ibaka deal.

I've got the bigger issue if that had to be the next shoe to drop. IMO, more likely Ibaka will be an albatross contract than someone who will be worth it.

I definitely agree and don't particularly love that deal (nor hate it, tbh). I just think that, if we trade for Melo, cap space no longer matters and the size of Ibakas next deal is irrelevant.

Purely theoretical but...

Melo is up in two years. If Ibaka's deal extends beyond that window, the size of it is very important.

[BleedGreen1989]

If we could get Vooch and still keep Max space, I'd be very interested.

[165bows]

Then maybe we make the rumored Jae for Ibaka deal.

I've got the bigger issue if that had to be the next shoe to drop. IMO, more likely Ibaka will be an albatross contract than someone who will be worth it.

I definitely agree and don't particularly love that deal (nor hate it, tbh). I just think that, if we trade for Melo, cap space no longer matters and the size of Ibakas next deal is irrelevant.

For me not so much the size but the length.

One thing is obviously his longevity, the other though is there is some actual benefit to getting some good older guys in for cheap assets. Time them to expire around Al's deal and then get back into the FA market before Brown and the BRk picks need new deals.