Joel Embiid -- The Process is now Live

[eskimo]

I think soccer is much more of a contact sport than any position in basketball, personally.

How many 265 pound soccer players are there at the highest level of the sport strongly contesting (with all their force) a spot on the field the size of the low post?

Think about it this way - twice in Embiid's career he ended up with spine stress fractures. It has something to do with the forces put through his spine banging down low against guys a lot stronger than him from years of playing the sport.

[dorkestra]

I think soccer is much more of a contact sport than any position in basketball, personally.

How many 265 pound soccer players are there at the highest level of the sport strongly contesting (with all their force) a spot on the field the size of the low post?

Think about it this way - twice in Embiid's career he ended up with spine stress fractures. It has something to do with the forces put through his spine banging down low against guys a lot stronger than him from years of playing the sport.

I think that is more due to the fact that people that large tend to be more vulnerable to injury.

[eskimo]

I think soccer is much more of a contact sport than any position in basketball, personally.

How many 265 pound soccer players are there at the highest level of the sport strongly contesting (with all their force) a spot on the field the size of the low post?

Think about it this way - twice in Embiid's career he ended up with spine stress fractures. It has something to do with the forces put through his spine banging down low against guys a lot stronger than him from years of playing the sport.

I think that is more due to the fact that people that large tend to be more vulnerable to injury.

Tell me all the big guys in the NBA with spine stress fractures in the last 5 years.

It's not that common of an injury in the NBA. It had something to do with a rapid change in his body and a rapid change in the stresses he was putting in his body competing against stronger guys in a way that he hadn't done before.

[dorkestra]

How many 265 pound soccer players are there at the highest level of the sport strongly contesting (with all their force) a spot on the field the size of the low post?

Think about it this way - twice in Embiid's career he ended up with spine stress fractures. It has something to do with the forces put through his spine banging down low against guys a lot stronger than him from years of playing the sport.

I think that is more due to the fact that people that large tend to be more vulnerable to injury.

Tell me all the big guys in the NBA with spine stress fractures in the last 5 years.

It's not that common of an injury in the NBA. It had something to do with a rapid change in his body and a rapid change in the stresses he was putting in his body competing against stronger guys in a way that he hadn't done before.

I'm just saying in general NBA centers get injured more frequently and have shorter careers in general than soccer players at any position. And this consistent with the idea that extremely large people were not always the most durable.

There are other factors that are not related to the level of contact, like the friction of the wood floor versus grass. That means changing directions or landing in a certain way on the court can cause ligament injury. It's not related to contact. My main contention with what you said, as someone who has played a lot of both, is that soccer is certainly more physical and has more contact than basketball. Even if you're a big man.

[Ericb5]

How many 265 pound soccer players are there at the highest level of the sport strongly contesting (with all their force) a spot on the field the size of the low post?

Think about it this way - twice in Embiid's career he ended up with spine stress fractures. It has something to do with the forces put through his spine banging down low against guys a lot stronger than him from years of playing the sport.

I think that is more due to the fact that people that large tend to be more vulnerable to injury.

Tell me all the big guys in the NBA with spine stress fractures in the last 5 years.

It's not that common of an injury in the NBA. It had something to do with a rapid change in his body and a rapid change in the stresses he was putting in his body competing against stronger guys in a way that he hadn't done before.

That's the thing. It didn't happen to him in the NBA either. It is largely an injury of young prospects, and once players stop growing, and get used to their bodies, those types of injuries become less likely.

That's certainly the hope with Embiid.


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[LongLiveHinkie]

Take it FWIW, but a family friend of mine is a doctor(who has not treated Embiid and does not work for the Sixers), and I was talking to him about Embiid, and he said people who have stress fracture histories and are his size are at a high risk of getting more stress fractures.

He told me that he'd be shocked if Embiid ever plays more than 32 mpg in his career and he'd be shocked if they ever play him in back to backs consistently in his career. Said he thinks there will always be restrictions on him for his entire career.

If that ends up being the case, then that's a major problem. Can't win championships with Embiid being on restrictions for his entire career. Not saying he's right, it's just one doctor's opinion.

[TeamHigh]

He spent a lot of his life playing non-contact sports (volleyball and soccer).

Soccer is most definitely a contact sport.

Not to the same degree as Center in the NBA.

Soccer is played in a ton of open space with guys who are slim endurance athletes who have to play on a monstrously big field.

Go back and look at how skinny Embiid was back in 2011. He was a human stick back then compared to what he is now.

He was 16 years old in 2011. A lot of tall 16 year olds are skinny.

Soccer has a ton of contact. You've never seen a center half play if you don't think there's a ton of contact. Try contesting a corner, or every time the ball is in the air. You can get away with a lot more in soccer because there's all of 1 referee and 2 line judges for all of that 'monstrously big field.' Take a look at the last world cup, there wasn't even a foul called when Neymar took a knee to the spine and broke his back.

You probably don't know too much about soccer, but let's not throw around generalizations and assumptions without knowing the facts. Soccer players are skinnier because you have to do a lot more running, and endurance athletes tends to be thinner. Not because there's no contact or people trying to move/climb over people.

[freshie2]

I think soccer is much more of a contact sport than any position in basketball, personally.

Difficult to say either is more than the other, but would probably hedge to basketball due to the number of times you hit the wooden floor. You could play defense the entire game in soccer and never touch another player, while this isn't the case in basketball.

A better question may be which sport flops more...pro/euro soccer is maddening, but many NBA charges are simply flops as well.

[dorkestra]

I think soccer is much more of a contact sport than any position in basketball, personally.

Difficult to say either is more than the other, but would probably hedge to basketball due to the number of times you hit the wooden floor. You could play defense the entire game in soccer and never touch another player, while this isn't the case in basketball.

A better question may be which sport flops more...pro/euro soccer is maddening, but many NBA charges are simply flops as well.

The elbows and head butts that take place on corners are pretty intense. I also think soccer players flop more and if someone was willing to do it, you could probably trace flopping in basketball back to the international basketball explosion as it impacted the NBA, as influenced by soccer

[eyeatoma]

Take it FWIW, but a family friend of mine is a doctor(who has not treated Embiid and does not work for the Sixers), and I was talking to him about Embiid, and he said people who have stress fracture histories and are his size are at a high risk of getting more stress fractures.

He told me that he'd be shocked if Embiid ever plays more than 32 mpg in his career and he'd be shocked if they ever play him in back to backs consistently in his career. Said he thinks there will always be restrictions on him for his entire career.

If that ends up being the case, then that's a major problem. Can't win championships with Embiid being on restrictions for his entire career. Not saying he's right, it's just one doctor's opinion.

That might be his opinion, but many think he was having stress fractures because he was growing. Additionally Brown mentioned that he envisioned a max of 36 mpg for Embiid... Finally, as you had mentioned before, I don't see Embiid being very pleased with having to have minutes restrictions, and limits on back to backs for the rest of his career. He's the type of player that will speak up about it. Honestly, if this is actually the case with him, then so be it. With him playing limited minutes, we're not winning any championships as you said.. This is not a Tim Duncan, end of career type of thing... The guys needs to play games to get into a rhythm...

[guitarpath]

Take it FWIW, but a family friend of mine is a doctor(who has not treated Embiid and does not work for the Sixers), and I was talking to him about Embiid, and he said people who have stress fracture histories and are his size are at a high risk of getting more stress fractures.

He told me that he'd be shocked if Embiid ever plays more than 32 mpg in his career and he'd be shocked if they ever play him in back to backs consistently in his career. Said he thinks there will always be restrictions on him for his entire career.

If that ends up being the case, then that's a major problem. Can't win championships with Embiid being on restrictions for his entire career. Not saying he's right, it's just one doctor's opinion.

I am a physician. The statement that people Embiid's size are at higher risk for the development of other stress fractures is entirely possible (although I would want to see the medical literature which supports this statement before passing judgement on its validity).

But extrapolating that he will be on a minute restriction is entire career is utter nonsense. This is based on what exactly? I am not aware of any studies that support that 7'2'' professional athletes who suffer navicular bone fractures should be limited in their activity for the rest of their careers.

I think Embiid's current minute restriction is only partly related to his past foot injury. I think it also has to do with easing a player who has not played basketball for over 2 years into the grind of the long NBA season and the incredibly high degree of conditioning that is required to do so. They are also being very cautious with their 22 year-old franchise cornerstone, which seems wise to me.

Baring another serious injury, an infinite minute restriction for Embiid would surprise me.

[Ericb5]

Take it FWIW, but a family friend of mine is a doctor(who has not treated Embiid and does not work for the Sixers), and I was talking to him about Embiid, and he said people who have stress fracture histories and are his size are at a high risk of getting more stress fractures.

He told me that he'd be shocked if Embiid ever plays more than 32 mpg in his career and he'd be shocked if they ever play him in back to backs consistently in his career. Said he thinks there will always be restrictions on him for his entire career.

If that ends up being the case, then that's a major problem. Can't win championships with Embiid being on restrictions for his entire career. Not saying he's right, it's just one doctor's opinion.

I am a physician. The statement that people Embiid's size are at higher risk for the development of other stress fractures is entirely possible (although I would want to see the medical literature which supports this statement before passing judgement on its validity).

But extrapolating that he will be on a minute restriction is entire career is utter nonsense. This is based on what exactly? I am not aware of any studies that support that 7'2'' professional athletes who suffer navicular bone fractures should be limited in their activity for the rest of their careers.

I think Embiid's current minute restriction is only partly related to his past foot injury. I think it also has to do with easing a player who has not played basketball for over 2 years into the grind of the long NBA season and the incredibly high degree of conditioning that is required to do so. They are also being very cautious with their 22 year-old franchise cornerstone, which seems wise to me.

Baring another serious injury, an infinite minute restriction for Embiid would surprise me.

I agree that the restriction is largely so they can limit the stress on his body that has had a long layoff, and not so much because he isn't back to 100% from the first injury.

He will surely eventually play in back to backs, but I would expect that he would be rested in some of those games during the regular season. His minutes don't have to get all the way up to 36 for him to compete for MVP awards. He already plays enough minutes to be a difference maker on this team, and if he gets up to 32-34 or so he would be even more influential.

He will probably average 25-10 next season at 32 mph.


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[wainseven]

If we become title contenders in the future, I doubt controlling embiid's minutes in the regular season is gonna hurt our chances. We can unleash him in the playoff

[sixerhp3]

Coach Brown said he's not sure if Embiid will be ready by Tuesday. Any chance the knee injury is worse than initially reported?

[eyeatoma]

Coach Brown said he's not sure if Embiid will be ready by Tuesday. Any chance the knee injury is worse than initially reported?

He's probably just not sure lol.. Probably also being precautious... I'd say he likely plays, but they're not going to risk anything. They've said he won't play with a flu and then he does play. Ultimately I guess they'll ask him how he feels...

[Sportfan73]

Coach Brown said he's not sure if Embiid will be ready by Tuesday. Any chance the knee injury is worse than initially reported?

Not really no. Not being ready by Tuesday means he could miss what a game? I mean if he misses a week who really cares? So long as it's not a serious injury I'm fine with that.


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[Ericb5]

We didn't come this far with Embiid for him to need to play through injuries. If the knee is painful then I would just sit him until it isn't.

Would like to see him against Jordan though obviously.


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[Arsenal]

Coach Brown said he's not sure if Embiid will be ready by Tuesday. Any chance the knee injury is worse than initially reported?

Sit him down for a week to make sure. Why take a chance? Helps the tank too!

[sixerhp3]

The thing that concerns me is that his knee gave out a second time that game. And I refuse to believe they gave him an MRI while he was in the locker room.

[eyeatoma]

The thing that concerns me is that his knee gave out a second time that game. And I refuse to believe they gave him an MRI while he was in the locker room.

It was his ankle, not his knee...