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My dream situation is we trade one 1st round pick with two of our depth players to move up and get Giles. And then hope OG falls to our other pick because of injuries.
If we could go forward with Lowry, DD, OG, Giles, JV if we hit on one of those two we could be there. Both fill needs too. It's risky taking two guys with knee injury history but that's the only reason you're having any chance to get either in the first place. If Giles doesn't have Knee problems he's top 3 if not #1 and OG is a lottery pick. We'd probably have to give up too much for either if they were healthy
Gotta take chances.
OG could be a more athletic Ron Artest without the Baggage and Giles was compared to KG and Webber pre injuries. If either can reach close to that within 3 years? You never know! And even if it takes longer and they reach their prime when lowry is past his you still have young pieces to build around.
We've proven we can win playing young guys, it's time we get young guys with star potential and let them grow into stars as we win
If we could go forward with Lowry, DD, OG, Giles, JV if we hit on one of those two we could be there. Both fill needs too. It's risky taking two guys with knee injury history but that's the only reason you're having any chance to get either in the first place. If Giles doesn't have Knee problems he's top 3 if not #1 and OG is a lottery pick. We'd probably have to give up too much for either if they were healthy
Gotta take chances.
OG could be a more athletic Ron Artest without the Baggage and Giles was compared to KG and Webber pre injuries. If either can reach close to that within 3 years? You never know! And even if it takes longer and they reach their prime when lowry is past his you still have young pieces to build around.
We've proven we can win playing young guys, it's time we get young guys with star potential and let them grow into stars as we win
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LonZoBallin wrote:My dream situation is we trade one 1st round pick with two of our depth players to move up and get Giles. And then hope OG falls to our other pick because of injuries.
If we could go forward with Lowry, DD, OG, Giles, JV if we hit on one of those two we could be there. Both fill needs too. It's risky taking two guys with knee injury history but that's the only reason you're having any chance to get either in the first place. If Giles doesn't have Knee problems he's top 3 if not #1 and OG is a lottery pick. We'd probably have to give up too much for either if they were healthy
Gotta take chances.
OG could be a more athletic Ron Artest without the Baggage and Giles was compared to KG and Webber pre injuries. If either can reach close to that within 3 years? You never know! And even if it takes longer and they reach their prime when lowry is past his you still have young pieces to build around.
We've proven we can win playing young guys, it's time we get young guys with star potential and let them delelop as we win
I would love this scenario, however I would try my best to get Jonathan Issac as opposed to Giles. Issac is gonna be special. Look at his stats compared to Ingram (2nd Overall) last season.
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super_balls wrote:LonZoBallin wrote:My dream situation is we trade one 1st round pick with two of our depth players to move up and get Giles. And then hope OG falls to our other pick because of injuries.
If we could go forward with Lowry, DD, OG, Giles, JV if we hit on one of those two we could be there. Both fill needs too. It's risky taking two guys with knee injury history but that's the only reason you're having any chance to get either in the first place. If Giles doesn't have Knee problems he's top 3 if not #1 and OG is a lottery pick. We'd probably have to give up too much for either if they were healthy
Gotta take chances.
OG could be a more athletic Ron Artest without the Baggage and Giles was compared to KG and Webber pre injuries. If either can reach close to that within 3 years? You never know! And even if it takes longer and they reach their prime when lowry is past his you still have young pieces to build around.
We've proven we can win playing young guys, it's time we get young guys with star potential and let them delelop as we win
I would love this scenario, however I would try my best to get Jonathan Issac as opposed to Giles. Issac is gonna be special. Look at his stats compared to Ingram (2nd Overall) last season.
I like Issac more than Giles too but I think he goes Higher than Giles(depending how the season goes) I see Issac as top 10 for sure where I could see Giles falling out of the top 10.
Giles is more realistic for us to get and if you're drafting OG too idk those are two Small forwards imo. Maybe one day Issac can put weight on to play stretch 4 but I see him more of a 3.
Issac had like 8 blocks the other day. I could see him being a guy that climbs come draft time due to his size/length and potential.
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LonZoBallin wrote:super_balls wrote:LonZoBallin wrote:My dream situation is we trade one 1st round pick with two of our depth players to move up and get Giles. And then hope OG falls to our other pick because of injuries.
If we could go forward with Lowry, DD, OG, Giles, JV if we hit on one of those two we could be there. Both fill needs too. It's risky taking two guys with knee injury history but that's the only reason you're having any chance to get either in the first place. If Giles doesn't have Knee problems he's top 3 if not #1 and OG is a lottery pick. We'd probably have to give up too much for either if they were healthy
Gotta take chances.
OG could be a more athletic Ron Artest without the Baggage and Giles was compared to KG and Webber pre injuries. If either can reach close to that within 3 years? You never know! And even if it takes longer and they reach their prime when lowry is past his you still have young pieces to build around.
We've proven we can win playing young guys, it's time we get young guys with star potential and let them delelop as we win
I would love this scenario, however I would try my best to get Jonathan Issac as opposed to Giles. Issac is gonna be special. Look at his stats compared to Ingram (2nd Overall) last season.
I like Issac more than Giles too but I think he goes Higher than Giles(depending how the season goes) I see Issac as top 10 for sure where I could see Giles falling out of the top 10.
Giles is more realistic for us to get and if you're drafting OG too idk those are two Small forwards imo. Maybe one day Issac can put weight on to play stretch 4 but I see him more of a 3.
Issac had like 8 blocks the other day. I could see him being a guy that climbs come draft time due to his size/length and potential.
Thats true, I do hope Giles amounts to something. He looked alright in the couple games he has been back. He hasn't been playing at a high level since his junior year in HS so we'll see.
I think Issac has the highest ceiling in the draft. Him and OG can definitely be interchangeable at the 3/4. I would give up JV + Powell for him. Just got a feeling about that kid. The same I had about Paul George pre-draft lol.
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We'd need a top 5 pick to get Isaac...
It's going to be a glorious day... I feel my luck could change
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I wouldn't get your hopes up about moving up in the draft, it's extremely hard to move up since rebuilding teams generally don't want to go down 3-5 spots in the draft. To convince teams, you need to usually overpay by giving them a good role player, and at that point, is it even worth it?
I don't know, it just doesn't seem very Masai-like to give up two assets; one being the original pick, the other being a proven role player, for one asset; a slightly better pick. Unless he really likes a player like he tried to do with Giannis.
I don't know, it just doesn't seem very Masai-like to give up two assets; one being the original pick, the other being a proven role player, for one asset; a slightly better pick. Unless he really likes a player like he tried to do with Giannis.
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Curious what people think of Chris Boucher. I don't care that he is a Canadian, but his size and skill shooting from outside while also being a dominant shotblocker are interesting.
Some call him the modern PF/C, and I could see it. Despite his good numbers and playing on a good team, I think he drops in the draft to either 25 or 26 mainly due to his advanced age. He is already 24 which is old and he has a very lean body.
Everything about him reminds me of Amir Johnson, with a bit of a quicker release on his jumper. I think he'd be a great fit in Toronto as a defender and floor spacer.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/11/08/oregons-chris-boucher-takes-unusual-path-division-i
Some call him the modern PF/C, and I could see it. Despite his good numbers and playing on a good team, I think he drops in the draft to either 25 or 26 mainly due to his advanced age. He is already 24 which is old and he has a very lean body.
Everything about him reminds me of Amir Johnson, with a bit of a quicker release on his jumper. I think he'd be a great fit in Toronto as a defender and floor spacer.
If Boucher had been offered what has since come true—four years, four stops and so many miles down the line—he would have found it inconceivable: That he would be a scholarship power forward at Oregon, coming off a junior season in which he became just the third major-conference player of this decade to average at least 17 points, 10 rebounds and four blocks per 40 minutes, with an offensive efficiency rating of at least 120—the others being Kentucky's former No. 1 draft picks Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. That he would be the only three-point threat of that trio (he drained 38 last season)—an added dimension that makes him a college basketball unicorn. And that he would already have a Pac-12 title ring and be chasing a national championship as a senior, when SI projects him to be the nation's most efficient major-conference starter, on the No. 4 team in the country.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/11/08/oregons-chris-boucher-takes-unusual-path-division-i
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He's someone that Brooklyn should look at with the Boston pick to try and hit a homerun.
I'd rather it be us. He's strong enough to play the 4 and gaurd the 3. Plus we need a SF with his build. Its between him and Bam for me.
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Dalek wrote:Curious what people think of Chris Boucher. I don't care that he is a Canadian, but his size and skill shooting from outside while also being a dominant shotblocker are interesting.
Some call him the modern PF/C, and I could see it. Despite his good numbers and playing on a good team, I think he drops in the draft to either 25 or 26 mainly due to his advanced age. He is already 24 which is old and he has a very lean body.
Everything about him reminds me of Amir Johnson, with a bit of a quicker release on his jumper. I think he'd be a great fit in Toronto as a defender and floor spacer.If Boucher had been offered what has since come true—four years, four stops and so many miles down the line—he would have found it inconceivable: That he would be a scholarship power forward at Oregon, coming off a junior season in which he became just the third major-conference player of this decade to average at least 17 points, 10 rebounds and four blocks per 40 minutes, with an offensive efficiency rating of at least 120—the others being Kentucky's former No. 1 draft picks Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. That he would be the only three-point threat of that trio (he drained 38 last season)—an added dimension that makes him a college basketball unicorn. And that he would already have a Pac-12 title ring and be chasing a national championship as a senior, when SI projects him to be the nation's most efficient major-conference starter, on the No. 4 team in the country.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/11/08/oregons-chris-boucher-takes-unusual-path-division-i
He's like everything we wanted Bruno to be.

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Dalek wrote:Curious what people think of Chris Boucher. I don't care that he is a Canadian, but his size and skill shooting from outside while also being a dominant shotblocker are interesting.
Some call him the modern PF/C, and I could see it. Despite his good numbers and playing on a good team, I think he drops in the draft to either 25 or 26 mainly due to his advanced age. He is already 24 which is old and he has a very lean body.
Everything about him reminds me of Amir Johnson, with a bit of a quicker release on his jumper. I think he'd be a great fit in Toronto as a defender and floor spacer.If Boucher had been offered what has since come true—four years, four stops and so many miles down the line—he would have found it inconceivable: That he would be a scholarship power forward at Oregon, coming off a junior season in which he became just the third major-conference player of this decade to average at least 17 points, 10 rebounds and four blocks per 40 minutes, with an offensive efficiency rating of at least 120—the others being Kentucky's former No. 1 draft picks Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. That he would be the only three-point threat of that trio (he drained 38 last season)—an added dimension that makes him a college basketball unicorn. And that he would already have a Pac-12 title ring and be chasing a national championship as a senior, when SI projects him to be the nation's most efficient major-conference starter, on the No. 4 team in the country.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/11/08/oregons-chris-boucher-takes-unusual-path-division-i
He has similiar skillsets to Pascal but his body needs alot of work. Pascal atleast has some what of a build this kid is built like Bruno. I'd pass.
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Wraps_fan wrote:I wouldn't get your hopes up about moving up in the draft, it's extremely hard to move up since rebuilding teams generally don't want to go down 3-5 spots in the draft. To convince teams, you need to usually overpay by giving them a good role player, and at that point, is it even worth it?
I don't know, it just doesn't seem very Masai-like to give up two assets; one being the original pick, the other being a proven role player, for one asset; a slightly better pick. Unless he really likes a player like he tried to do with Giannis.
Of course it's worth it. The only way you're getting stars is in the draft. Unless you think Lowry and DD can carry us to a ship by themselves, the draft is our only shot at stars. People on this board need to get over this idea of MU landing some trade for a star. Not happening!
And lots of teams in the 10-15 range would prefer a proven player over a draft pick. More times they just missed the playoffs and just need another piece to get over the hump. A Proven player is more likely to take you there than a rookie.
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Dalek wrote:Curious what people think of Chris Boucher. I don't care that he is a Canadian, but his size and skill shooting from outside while also being a dominant shotblocker are interesting.
Some call him the modern PF/C, and I could see it. Despite his good numbers and playing on a good team, I think he drops in the draft to either 25 or 26 mainly due to his advanced age. He is already 24 which is old and he has a very lean body.
Everything about him reminds me of Amir Johnson, with a bit of a quicker release on his jumper. I think he'd be a great fit in Toronto as a defender and floor spacer.If Boucher had been offered what has since come true—four years, four stops and so many miles down the line—he would have found it inconceivable: That he would be a scholarship power forward at Oregon, coming off a junior season in which he became just the third major-conference player of this decade to average at least 17 points, 10 rebounds and four blocks per 40 minutes, with an offensive efficiency rating of at least 120—the others being Kentucky's former No. 1 draft picks Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. That he would be the only three-point threat of that trio (he drained 38 last season)—an added dimension that makes him a college basketball unicorn. And that he would already have a Pac-12 title ring and be chasing a national championship as a senior, when SI projects him to be the nation's most efficient major-conference starter, on the No. 4 team in the country.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/11/08/oregons-chris-boucher-takes-unusual-path-division-i
He'll go later than 25-26. He's going to be 24.5 years old when the draft takes place, nobody is using a 1st round pick on that, especially when there's questions about his body. For example, at 24.5 years old, he will still very likely be too thin to play NBA minutes, so let's say it takes him a year to fill out, he's already going to be just 3-4 months away from being 26 years old by the time next season starts.
He'd be a great guy to use our 2nd round pick on, but he'll likely be gone before that. No way would I use a 1st round pick on a guy who likely couldn't contribute at the NBA level until he's 26-27 years old
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At this point we really should want both teams in LA to be losing. We don't need the Sixers getting a top 5 pick. We need the Lakers to keep that pick!!!! If they keep winning they might miss out on a really elite guard this draft. Would be a dream for us. They have enough with Embiid, Simmons and Saric.
Lakers finish Bottom 3
Clippers finish 15-22
And the Sixers finish 12-16 range
Celtics Miss on Fultz or Jackson and Ball and DSJ are BPA when they pick
Dream big
Lakers finish Bottom 3
Clippers finish 15-22
And the Sixers finish 12-16 range
Celtics Miss on Fultz or Jackson and Ball and DSJ are BPA when they pick
Dream big
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deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Ball is Jason Kidd that can shoot 3's. Gotta route for Brooklyn to start winning like Phoenix.LonZoBallin wrote:At this point we really should want both teams in LA to be losing. We don't need the Sixers getting a top 5 pick. We need the Lakers to keep that pick!!!! If they keep winning they might miss out on a really elite guard this draft. Would be a dream for us. They have enough with Embiid, Simmons and Saric.
Lakers finish Bottom 3
Clippers finish 15-22
And the Sixers finish 12-16 range
Celtics Miss on Fultz or Jackson and Ball and DSJ are BPA when they pick
Dream big

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Doesn't seem like he'd be better or anything different than Bebe?

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This might be the shambles talking but this pick is seriously all I care about now. At this point in the season

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We need to find a way to get Bridges and Rabb I'm so hyped for these two for some reason
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Ok guys this is a thread ill be chillin in since it looks like Clips gonna fall off and the Raps aint really worth Cheerin for atm ...These picks in this draft could be vital so Masai's scouting better be at an elite level...
If Edmond Sumner falls to us he is a grab id want (ik we are stacked at PG) But if he falls to where we pick you have to take him...I Followed his game and hes a big lenghty athletic PG at 6-5 .....i think We Should move Joseph soon with a package with other assets to bring in a PF anyways ...Right now hes there in the mocks for us to grab...
Some of his dunks are unreal and is Westbrook light....His Defensive upside intrigues me the most...He gets about 2 Steals a game...Id give up all our PGs and play this guy as a full time Backup PG and Lowrys future replacement...
With the 2nd pick we should go for a SF or a BigMan....Thing for me is we Drafted 2 BigMan Last year and BigMen take longer to develop...The chances of Drafting a Star big man in the late round of the draft is also Very rare and slim chance to happen....
Thats why i feel more comfortable selecting this guy ....He will be a good one...a triple double type of guy
If Edmond Sumner falls to us he is a grab id want (ik we are stacked at PG) But if he falls to where we pick you have to take him...I Followed his game and hes a big lenghty athletic PG at 6-5 .....i think We Should move Joseph soon with a package with other assets to bring in a PF anyways ...Right now hes there in the mocks for us to grab...
Some of his dunks are unreal and is Westbrook light....His Defensive upside intrigues me the most...He gets about 2 Steals a game...Id give up all our PGs and play this guy as a full time Backup PG and Lowrys future replacement...
With the 2nd pick we should go for a SF or a BigMan....Thing for me is we Drafted 2 BigMan Last year and BigMen take longer to develop...The chances of Drafting a Star big man in the late round of the draft is also Very rare and slim chance to happen....
Thats why i feel more comfortable selecting this guy ....He will be a good one...a triple double type of guy

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Hope we get 7th seed to increase our draft pick as we will lose in the 1st or 2nd round either way.
Harold_and_Kumar wrote:What if the 10 incher was overrated and the 4 incher was too small for any playing time, but the 7 incher was a perfect fit for our roster and the 5 incher was good for specific situations, like backdoor cuts?












