Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

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[smart_celtics]

Yabs is coming next year he doesn't have a contract to play anywhere else. This year was a stretch as it was but Boston's roster is so much different next year. Only Horford under contract up front and Mickie non guaranteed.

Weren't you mad that they didn't stash Deyonta Davis on the roster this year? How is Yabs not ready? I get you might not think he is good enough to make it in the NBA so be it but time isn't going to change that.

Stashing Yabusele has always been about keeping max salary space available for last year and this year. There's still a chance he gets stashed another year if they need the extra space (pending where the final cap numbers come in).
I think the Deyonta Davis trade was about rolling those current assets forward into a future asset. They had too many picks last year.

No last year it was about roster spots. Rookie salary deals don't impact salary space all that much and Boston never actually did anything to move those holds off the cap it wasn't necessary.

Understand staying overseas is not in Boston's control, it is up to the player whether they will stay overseas it is up to Boston to sign them or waive them.

Well they wouldn't have kept the Yabusele cap hold if they signed Durant but after he didn't they didn't need to, so they kept the flexibility. Same this for the year upcoming, they might need to stash Yabusele another year if they want max cap space. They may need every extra million they can get to get to max space. Same reason they declined the James Young option.

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For example, under past projections the Celtics would have been able to clear max cap space by walking away from all of their veteran free agents (Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, Tyler Zeller (option), and Kelly Olynyk) even if the Nets pick were to win the lottery. If the salary cap stays around $103M, max salaries stay the same, and rookie scale deals increase by 50%, that would now not be enough to sign a max player. The rumor has been that Yabusele might stay out of the NBA for more than one season which, if true, could be a major reason that Boston selected him. Clearing the scale deal for the 16th pick off the cap would re-establish max space, even if the Nets pick lands at #2. If he does want to come to the NBA next year, the team might have to trade away his rights, or some combination of other young players, if a major free agent agrees to sign.

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Trade deadline.

I don't think they will waste a year of control on Nader just for a few months at the end of the year. Maybe one of the non-team controlled Red Claws but I would bet more on a veteran on the buy out market than a Red Claw this year.

They have little control over Nader he is a second round pick, the control is based on his contract. Boston can bring him up in FEB and then have the same control to sign him to a contract in the off season you can't become a RFA until after your second season. Boston in general has offered above the minimum salary to get players to agree to longer contracts. The bottom line it is far more likely that Nader is never signed to a guaranteed contract than Yabs or Zizic stay overseas for another year.

But as you note, you kick RFA one year later. Also, you may save a little money to protect max cap space.

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I don't think they will waste a year of control on Nader just for a few months at the end of the year. Maybe one of the non-team controlled Red Claws but I would bet more on a veteran on the buy out market than a Red Claw this year.

They have little control over Nader he is a second round pick, the control is based on his contract. Boston can bring him up in FEB and then have the same control to sign him to a contract in the off season you can't become a RFA until after your second season. Boston in general has offered above the minimum salary to get players to agree to longer contracts. The bottom line it is far more likely that Nader is never signed to a guaranteed contract than Yabs or Zizic stay overseas for another year.

But as you note, you kick RFA one year later. Also, you may save a little money to protect max cap space.

If any roster spots free up, they could bring up Nader on 2 x 10-Day Contracts. Give him a little pocket change, and see where he's at, NBA-wise. That wouldn't mess up his Rookie Year. They could still start him as a Rookie, next season.

Or next season, with the 2 x Two-Way Contracts (at a time), they could bring him up on one of those for up to 45 NBA days. They could then make a decision whether they want to sign him to a Regular NBA Contract.

Jalen Jones on the Red Claws, is doing very well down there too. We could bring him up too, and do a signing (without or) after the 2 x 10-Days, as Ainge often does.

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I don't think they will waste a year of control on Nader just for a few months at the end of the year. Maybe one of the non-team controlled Red Claws but I would bet more on a veteran on the buy out market than a Red Claw this year.

They have little control over Nader he is a second round pick, the control is based on his contract. Boston can bring him up in FEB and then have the same control to sign him to a contract in the off season you can't become a RFA until after your second season. Boston in general has offered above the minimum salary to get players to agree to longer contracts. The bottom line it is far more likely that Nader is never signed to a guaranteed contract than Yabs or Zizic stay overseas for another year.

But as you note, you kick RFA one year later. Also, you may save a little money to protect max cap space.

Nader will be a minimum cap hold either way and you control how long he goes to RFA with his contract. He has spent about as much time in Boston as Jackson has it doesn't matter that much either way.

As far as the above post it isn't up to the team whether or not Yabs comes over this season. The player decides the team can decide to sign him to his guaranteed contract or waive his rights. I think Yabs would be fine with being a UFA.

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They have little control over Nader he is a second round pick, the control is based on his contract. Boston can bring him up in FEB and then have the same control to sign him to a contract in the off season you can't become a RFA until after your second season. Boston in general has offered above the minimum salary to get players to agree to longer contracts. The bottom line it is far more likely that Nader is never signed to a guaranteed contract than Yabs or Zizic stay overseas for another year.

But as you note, you kick RFA one year later. Also, you may save a little money to protect max cap space.

Nader will be a minimum cap hold either way and you control how long he goes to RFA with his contract. He has spent about as much time in Boston as Jackson has it doesn't matter that much either way.

As far as the above post it isn't up to the team whether or not Yabs comes over this season. The player decides the team can decide to sign him to his guaranteed contract or waive his rights. I think Yabs would be fine with being a UFA.

Nader won't be on a min. cap hold if you sign him for more than the minimum this year (see Mickey or Jackson). You might do this if you want him for more years or if part of the deal to get him to be stashed for a year was that he would get something above the minimum.

Its not really true that you control when he becomes RFA. Restricted free agency (for non-1st round picks) is for players with 3 or less years of experience. You sign him to a 3 year deal now, he's an RFA in effectively 2 years. You sign him to a 3 year deal next year, he's an RFA in 3 years. If you add a 4th year option, he's an unrestricted free agent after the contract (see the Chandler Parsons dilemma). So either have a RFA in 3 years or an unrestricted free agent in 3 years.

I think my overall point is that you are burning a little bit of cap space and some team contract control this year when he is unlikely to be anything more than a replacement level player.

Yes, Yabusele could force the issue but usually there's some sort of understanding with the agent that you draft a player higher than he would normally get for him to agree to get stashed (see Josh Huestis with OKC). As the above quote mentioned, it may be that Yabusele agreed to this with the Celtics, since he was drafted quite a few spots higher than he expected to go.

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But as you note, you kick RFA one year later. Also, you may save a little money to protect max cap space.

Nader will be a minimum cap hold either way and you control how long he goes to RFA with his contract. He has spent about as much time in Boston as Jackson has it doesn't matter that much either way.

As far as the above post it isn't up to the team whether or not Yabs comes over this season. The player decides the team can decide to sign him to his guaranteed contract or waive his rights. I think Yabs would be fine with being a UFA.

Nader won't be on a min. cap hold if you sign him for more than the minimum this year (see Mickey or Jackson). You might do this if you want him for more years or if part of the deal to get him to be stashed for a year was that he would get something above the minimum.

Its not really true that you control when he becomes RFA. Restricted free agency (for non-1st round picks) is for players with 3 or less years of experience. You sign him to a 3 year deal now, he's an RFA in effectively 2 years. You sign him to a 3 year deal next year, he's an RFA in 3 years. If you add a 4th year option, he's an unrestricted free agent after the contract (see the Chandler Parsons dilemma). So either have a RFA in 3 years or an unrestricted free agent in 3 years.

I think my overall point is that you are burning a little bit of cap space and some team contract control this year when he is unlikely to be anything more than a replacement level player.

Yes, Yabusele could force the issue but usually there's some sort of understanding with the agent that you draft a player higher than he would normally get for him to agree to get stashed (see Josh Huestis with OKC). As the above quote mentioned, it may be that Yabusele agreed to this with the Celtics, since he was drafted quite a few spots higher than he expected to go.

If Nader has enough value to worry about when his restricted FA is going to be then we should add him. He is 23 years old. Control is not an issue if the concern is over the $400,000-$500,000 on the cap hold I guess that is legit but waive him then and resign if you want him. You can't worry about player control on a player your not even willing to roster. Depending on how structure his deal he can be a RFA for back to back years.

It is not a question of Yabusele forcing the issue. He already agreed to stay overseas for a season. That plan almost fell apart when his team was relegated. I think Boston was able to find him a comparable salary in China. But you have to realize that these players understand that their clocks don't start until they enter the league either.

I also don't see Boston struggling to get to 26-27 mil in cap space.

[smart_celtics]

Nader will be a minimum cap hold either way and you control how long he goes to RFA with his contract. He has spent about as much time in Boston as Jackson has it doesn't matter that much either way.

As far as the above post it isn't up to the team whether or not Yabs comes over this season. The player decides the team can decide to sign him to his guaranteed contract or waive his rights. I think Yabs would be fine with being a UFA.

Nader won't be on a min. cap hold if you sign him for more than the minimum this year (see Mickey or Jackson). You might do this if you want him for more years or if part of the deal to get him to be stashed for a year was that he would get something above the minimum.

Its not really true that you control when he becomes RFA. Restricted free agency (for non-1st round picks) is for players with 3 or less years of experience. You sign him to a 3 year deal now, he's an RFA in effectively 2 years. You sign him to a 3 year deal next year, he's an RFA in 3 years. If you add a 4th year option, he's an unrestricted free agent after the contract (see the Chandler Parsons dilemma). So either have a RFA in 3 years or an unrestricted free agent in 3 years.

I think my overall point is that you are burning a little bit of cap space and some team contract control this year when he is unlikely to be anything more than a replacement level player.

Yes, Yabusele could force the issue but usually there's some sort of understanding with the agent that you draft a player higher than he would normally get for him to agree to get stashed (see Josh Huestis with OKC). As the above quote mentioned, it may be that Yabusele agreed to this with the Celtics, since he was drafted quite a few spots higher than he expected to go.

If Nader has enough value to worry about when his restricted FA is going to be then we should add him. He is 23 years old. Control is not an issue if the concern is over the $400,000-$500,000 on the cap hold I guess that is legit but waive him then and resign if you want him. You can't worry about player control on a player your not even willing to roster. Depending on how structure his deal he can be a RFA for back to back years.

It is not a question of Yabusele forcing the issue. He already agreed to stay overseas for a season. That plan almost fell apart when his team was relegated. I think Boston was able to find him a comparable salary in China. But you have to realize that these players understand that their clocks don't start until they enter the league either.

I also don't see Boston struggling to get to 26-27 mil in cap space.

Max contract for 7-9 (e.g., Hayward, Griffin) is $30.9 mil under a $103 million in cap, which means you need to have $72.1 or less. IT, AB, Smart, Crowder, Brown, Horford, Rozier = $61 million. + Zizic = $62.7 mil. Say you get the #2 pick then you are at = $69 but still 3 empty roster slots at $815,615 each so that brings you to $71.4. (You have renounced Olynyk, Jerebko, Johnson, Green, and Young; waived Zeller, Mickey, and Jackson; and stashed Yabusele.) So you can wait on Nader till next year and he keeps the equivalent of an empty roster charge for him (and you would be able to keep one of Mickey or Jackson) but you sign him this year above the minimum that means you probably have to waive Mickey and Jackson. You may not agree that holding out max cap space is the best strategy (and personally I don't), but clearly Ainge is doing it.

Anyway, the reason you don't bring Nader now is the same reason you don't bring over Zizic now. Nader's real value (as with any rookie) is in year 3+ of that contract (maybe year 2). Rookies (even ones lighting up the D-League) rarely provide anything more than replacement level output in their first year. No reason to give up the potential upside of a rotation NBA player on a ~$1 million contract for a replacement level player for a few months.

Re: Yabusele, we're just talking past each other. I am saying Yabusele may have agreed that he would be willing to be stashed for two years (at least there has been some reporting to that effect). Celtics do have some leverage since they could offer him 80% of rookie scale versus 120% of rookie scale and he is also making good money in China (up to $1.5 million), which given his success this year could theoretically go up next year.

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Anadolu Efes vs Darussafaka Dogus 42:38 Half #Euroleague Ante Zizic (16 mins): 11 points (4/7 FG, 3/3 FT), 9 rebounds & 1 assist.

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Anadolu Efes vs Darussafaka Dogus 42:38 Half #Euroleague Ante Zizic (16 mins): 11 points (4/7 FG, 3/3 FT), 9 rebounds & 1 assist.

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Euroleague, too.

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I think he has 10,000 rebounds after 3 quarters.

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Anadolu Efes vs Darussafaka Dogus 42:38 Half #Euroleague Ante Zizic (16 mins): 11 points (4/7 FG, 3/3 FT), 9 rebounds & 1 assist.

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Žižić, is really special.

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James Young and Mickey tore up the D league so I don't put much stocks in that nor do I get too excited about Guerschon doing well in China

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Commentator's talking about Zizi Antic lol

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Zizic is a fking monster.

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Commentator's talking about Zizi Antic lol

Zizi is the younger, more capable brother of former Hawks big man Pero.

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I love that this kid is already bringing us an influx of new C's fans.