Proposed 2017-18 Celtics Roster? -- (UPDATE)

[Roddy]

Honestly not a bad idea to compete right now, but neither team does that deal because:
1. Boston will find it to be an overpay given Brook's injury history and Crowder's contract
2. Nets have LaVert/RHJ on the wings and they probably don't want to deal with BOS any time soon, although in terms of assets, this is a 10/10 for them

I guess you are right. And we will still have some rebounding issues with Lopez. A guy like DeAndre Jordan could be the perfect fit, but will cost a lot.

I like the idea of Josh Jackson, even though we already have a wing with Brown. Brown can play SG and Jackson SF.

Terrence Jones and Tony Allen would definitely help our bench.

[chrisab123]

At this rate here is a realistic roster

PG: IT/Smart/Jackson/Rozier
SG: Bradley/Smart
SF: Josh Jackson/Jaylen Brown
PF: Crowder
C: Al

That's your main rotation. The Celtics don't believe in rebounding, shooting in general, want to go small and love shooting threes even though they suck at it. Bringing in a guy like Nurkic or Noel makes too much sense for it to happen. I can't see the team currently being in the position to grab any free agents above the middle of the pack ones. At that point Danny will punt the offseason and wait until the following offseason where he's going to need to make a tough decision on Bradley IT etc...

[Parliament10]

At this rate here is a realistic roster

PG: IT/Smart/Jackson/Rozier
SG: Bradley/Smart
SF: Josh Jackson/Jaylen Brown
PF: Crowder
C: Al

That's your main rotation. The Celtics don't believe in rebounding, shooting in general, want to go small and love shooting threes even though they suck at it. Bringing in a guy like Nurkic or Noel makes too much sense for it to happen. I can't see the team currently being in the position to grab any free agents above the middle of the pack ones. At that point Danny will punt the offseason and wait until the following offseason where he's going to need to make a tough decision on Bradley IT etc...

I'm with you on getting Nurkić.


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Rozier / ------------ / Jackson = Two-Way Contract
Bradley / Smart - / Fultz
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele / Mickey = Two-Way Contract
Nurkić - / Žižić --- / Olynyk

1-3 Year Players are all eligible for Two-Way Contracts:
Jackson & Mickey can go on Two-Way Contracts, if their non-guaranteed's are waived.

[TheOGJabroni]

Trade : Crowder, Amir, Boston 1st 2018, LAC 1st for Brook Lopez.

Draft : Josh Jackson

FA : Terrence Jones / Tony Allen

Roster 2017/2018 :

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Allen
Brown / Jackson / Nader
Horford / Jones / Yabusele
Lopez / Zizic / Mickey

Are we trying to be a horrible rebounding team?

[chrisab123]

Are we trying to be a horrible rebounding team?

Yes...yes we are

Look at Ainges moves over the last few years. They've desperately needed a rebounding presence and neglected it. If they swing and miss on a big FA they have to sign Noel to a deal.

[TheOGJabroni]

I like the premise of Brown starting, hopefully he's capable of earning it sooner rather than later. I'm a huge Smart supporter but a part of me is ready to let him go. He will never earn a starting role on the team as it is currently constructed and we have the ability to draft a potential superstar guard with our Nets pick.

Free Agency could become a joke where our cap space goes to waste on role players. Might as well make a trade that makes us better and hope we hit big in the draft. Whether we like it or not, that is going to be the way of the NBA for awhile; if you want superstars, you'll need to draft them or hope a disgruntled one finds his way here.

At the trade deadline. trade Smart for Noel & draft compensation of some sort. Draft Fultz if we get the #1 pick. Use whatever remaining cap space we have to find a rebounder in the offseason, and develop our young players while still being a tier 2 team. If Fultz, Brown & BK 18 become future stars, we're in great shape. If they become chips in a trade for someone like Anthony Davis, we're in great shape.

If this,

Thomas / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Young
Crowder / Brown / Green
Horford / Jerebko / Mickey
Johnson / Olynyk / Zeller


becomes this for next season:

Thomas / Fultz / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Young
Brown / Crowder / Green
Horford / Olynyk / Yabusele
Noel / Zizic / Mickey

then I'm okay with that.

[TheOGJabroni]

Are we trying to be a horrible rebounding team?

Yes...yes we are

Look at Ainges moves over the last few years. They've desperately needed a rebounding presence and neglected it. If they swing and miss on a big FA they have to sign Noel to a deal.

Well we're a bad rebounding team because Ainge doesn't want to take on salary right now, but when we've realized all our BK picks and cap space, then I pray we're in better shape for rebounding than we are now. I really doubt Lopez is a guy he targets.

[chrisab123]

Are we trying to be a horrible rebounding team?

Yes...yes we are

Look at Ainges moves over the last few years. They've desperately needed a rebounding presence and neglected it. If they swing and miss on a big FA they have to sign Noel to a deal.

Well we're a bad rebounding team because Ainge doesn't want to take on salary right now, but when we've realized all our BK picks and cap space, then I pray we're in better shape for rebounding than we are now. I really doubt Lopez is a guy he targets.

Agreed, Lopez is awful. Just looking at history with Ainge, Rebounding has never been a huge deal.

[TheOGJabroni]

Yes...yes we are

Look at Ainges moves over the last few years. They've desperately needed a rebounding presence and neglected it. If they swing and miss on a big FA they have to sign Noel to a deal.

Well we're a bad rebounding team because Ainge doesn't want to take on salary right now, but when we've realized all our BK picks and cap space, then I pray we're in better shape for rebounding than we are now. I really doubt Lopez is a guy he targets.

Agreed, Lopez is awful. Just looking at history with Ainge, Rebounding has never been a huge deal.

I only try to judge him for his rosters that were clearly aimed to win championships, so essentially not right now. But in the Big 3 era, it was a good collective group of rebounders.

Perkins was solid, KG was very good, Pierce was above average for his position, Rondo was phenomenal, Allen was only the only weaker rebounder really.

[chrisab123]

Well we're a bad rebounding team because Ainge doesn't want to take on salary right now, but when we've realized all our BK picks and cap space, then I pray we're in better shape for rebounding than we are now. I really doubt Lopez is a guy he targets.

Agreed, Lopez is awful. Just looking at history with Ainge, Rebounding has never been a huge deal.

I only try to judge him for his rosters that were clearly aimed to win championships, so essentially not right now. But in the Big 3 era, it was a good collective group of rebounders.

Perkins was solid, KG was very good, Pierce was above average for his position, Rondo was phenomenal, Allen was only the only weaker rebounder really.

The teams I would say from 2010 on have been routinely killed on the glass. I mean we can sit here and complain about Ainge whiffing on guys like Jordan. But what about a rebounding specialist like Evans back then?

[TheOGJabroni]

Agreed, Lopez is awful. Just looking at history with Ainge, Rebounding has never been a huge deal.

I only try to judge him for his rosters that were clearly aimed to win championships, so essentially not right now. But in the Big 3 era, it was a good collective group of rebounders.

Perkins was solid, KG was very good, Pierce was above average for his position, Rondo was phenomenal, Allen was only the only weaker rebounder really.

The teams I would say from 2010 on have been routinely killed on the glass. I mean we can sit here and complain about Ainge whiffing on guys like Jordan. But what about a rebounding specialist like Evans back then?

We weren't necessarily a good rebounding team, but I would at least say we were passable. I get your point though. I just see the difference now because at times it is unbearable to watch as this team is constructed

[OFWGKTA]

I only try to judge him for his rosters that were clearly aimed to win championships, so essentially not right now. But in the Big 3 era, it was a good collective group of rebounders.

Perkins was solid, KG was very good, Pierce was above average for his position, Rondo was phenomenal, Allen was only the only weaker rebounder really.

The teams I would say from 2010 on have been routinely killed on the glass. I mean we can sit here and complain about Ainge whiffing on guys like Jordan. But what about a rebounding specialist like Evans back then?

We weren't necessarily a good rebounding team, but I would at least say we were passable. I get your point though. I just see the difference now because at times it is unbearable to watch as this team is constructed

The thing is we weren't a great rebounding team back then because they purposely didn't go for offensive rebounds so they could get back and play elite defense, you can get by being subpar in one or the other, but not both.

[ddb]

how about sending Marcus Smart to Philly for Noel.

Then send Zeller/Rozier/2 NON BK 1sts to NOP for Holiday (expiring)?

Then let Young/Green/Jackson hash it out for some spot minutes.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Noel
Holiday-Green-Brown-KO-Amir
Jackson-Young-Jonas-Mickey w/ 1 open roster spot

This addresses 2 needs (rebounding/interior defense & reliable bench scoring). Holiday is also a big enough guard where he can play with IT. So you're essentially playing a 3-guard rotation of IT-AB-JH. plenty of minutes to go around

[TheOGJabroni]

how about sending Marcus Smart to Philly for Noel.

Then send Zeller/Rozier/2 NON BK 1sts to NOP for Holiday (expiring)?

Then let Young/Green/Jackson hash it out for some spot minutes.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Noel
Holiday-Green-Brown-KO-Amir
Jackson-Young-Jonas-Mickey w/ 1 open roster spot

This addresses 2 needs (rebounding/interior defense & reliable bench scoring). Holiday is also a big enough guard where he can play with IT. So you're essentially playing a 3-guard rotation of IT-AB-JH. plenty of minutes to go around

I'm fine with Noel and Smart, but while I like Holiday, I don't know that I'm going for him. We just have bigger needs elsewhere.

[Parliament10]

The teams I would say from 2010 on have been routinely killed on the glass. I mean we can sit here and complain about Ainge whiffing on guys like Jordan. But what about a rebounding specialist like Evans back then?

We weren't necessarily a good rebounding team, but I would at least say we were passable. I get your point though. I just see the difference now because at times it is unbearable to watch as this team is constructed

The thing is we weren't a great rebounding team back then because they purposely didn't go for offensive rebounds so they could get back and play elite defense, you can get by being subpar in one or the other, but not both.

What do you guys think, if we go for the Ć's?


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Rozier / Fultz / Two-Way Contract
Bradley / Smart / Green
Brown / Crowder / Nader
Horford / Olynyk / Jerebko
Vučević / Nurkić - / Žižić --- / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

[chrisab123]

We weren't necessarily a good rebounding team, but I would at least say we were passable. I get your point though. I just see the difference now because at times it is unbearable to watch as this team is constructed

The thing is we weren't a great rebounding team back then because they purposely didn't go for offensive rebounds so they could get back and play elite defense, you can get by being subpar in one or the other, but not both.

What do you guys think, if we go for the Ć's?


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Rozier / Fultz / Two-Way Contract
Bradley / Smart / Green
Brown / Crowder / Nader
Horford / Olynyk / Jerebko
Vučević / Nurkić - / Žižić --- / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

I like it. I don't think Nurkic would though. I also don't think there is any chance of Danny bringing back Olynyk at the money he will probably get. A team like the Nets might max him out on a very short contract or close to it just to get an "asset". Kind of like what the rockets did with Asik to get him from Chicago. I still think a Noel for Olynyk swap with filler makes all the sense in the world for both teams.

[darrendaye]

I'm probably in the minority, but, all things being equal, I would still rather trade for Nurkic than Vucevic. Certainly a few variables to consider. I would also slightly prefer Nurkic to Noel, though the springiness of Noel is rather appealing. Nurkic is an elite rebounder, Noel is an very good-excellent one. I also still hold out hope than in a different environment, Nurkic would be capable of becoming a decent mid-range and even 3 point shooter.

[jrob23]

At this rate here is a realistic roster

PG: IT/Smart/Jackson/Rozier
SG: Bradley/Smart
SF: Josh Jackson/Jaylen Brown
PF: Crowder
C: Al

That's your main rotation. The Celtics don't believe in rebounding, shooting in general, want to go small and love shooting threes even though they suck at it. Bringing in a guy like Nurkic or Noel makes too much sense for it to happen. I can't see the team currently being in the position to grab any free agents above the middle of the pack ones. At that point Danny will punt the offseason and wait until the following offseason where he's going to need to make a tough decision on Bradley IT etc...

no chance they take Jackson with Brown being his backup. Jae is a shorter SF he is extremely undersized as a PF.

[jrob23]

IT-Rozier-Jackson
AB-Smart
Crowder-Brown-Nader
Horford-Isaac-Yabusele
Noel-Zizic

[Edug27]

Opening day...

IT / Fultz
Bradley / Smart
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Olynyk
*veteran center* / Zizic