Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[GoCeltics123]

Al Horford straight up for Kevin Love. Who says no?

Both sides probably

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Meanwhile Noel dominating.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Noel, Butler, Melo, Love, Ibaka, Hezonja - ton of intriguing options.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Al Horford straight up for Kevin Love. Who says no?

Cleveland does. Hell I'd give them Olynyk too.

[GoCeltics123]

Noel, Butler, Melo, Love, Ibaka, Hezonja - ton of intriguing options.

Yup, I doubt any major trades are made before the deadline though

[Darthlukey]

Curious. Did you predict no Horford signing?

Nah, didn't make a call either way. I vehemently denied the possibility of Durant until he set a meeting up with us and then I flipped, Horford stuff came up quickly after that and didn't have time to make a call.

FWIW I also vehemently argued against Dwight coming here, and also explained that Ainge would never bring him here (believe it or not, half the forum wanted him last year). He didn't.

Long term, Howard wouldn't make us a championship team, but overall his contract isn't bad and if he was on our roster over Zeller and Amir right now, we'd probably be right there with the cavs in the standings.

Horford and Howard would fit well. Why the Hawks wanted him to stay with Howard and shipping out milsap instead.

If we got Howard (without giving up BKN picks or any of our top 4 players) it would give us a punchers chance at a title over the next year or two. Then we simply draft using BKN picks and by the time horford and Dwight are way part their prime, the draft picks will be entering their primes

[CelticFaninLBC]

Boston Gets - Love & Shumpert
Cleveland Gets - Melo & AB
NYK Gets - Olynyk, Rozier, Zeller, Jerebko, MEM Pick & BOS 2018

Deal probably needs to be tweaked some, but Boston gets a 2nd scorer and very good rebounder (2 problems solved)... Not sure how useful Shumpert is, but Cleveland has to somehow match salaries. Cleveland gets LeBron's buddy, Melo, and upgrades at the 2, with a guy who can guard Steph Curry in the Finals. NYK dumps salary, gets some young guys and picks, and can tank for a higher 2017 draft pick. They're only 4.5 games from having the 2 worse record and this is an ideal year to tank.

Lineup is then: Horford, Love, Crowder, Smart & IT, Bench is thin w/ Amir, Mickey, Brown, Shumpert, Green, Young, and Jackson

Cap space is gone, but still have assets to get Jimmy Butler. Also, Love & Horford's contracts align, but not sure if any good free agents will be available in a few years with the new CBA.

[Fencer reregistered]

Boston Gets - Love & Shumpert
Cleveland Gets - Melo & AB
NYK Gets - Olynyk, Rozier, Zeller, Jerebko, MEM Pick & BOS 2018

Deal probably needs to be tweaked some, but Boston gets a 2nd scorer and very good rebounder (2 problems solved)... Not sure how useful Shumpert is, but Cleveland has to somehow match salaries. Cleveland gets LeBron's buddy, Melo, and upgrades at the 2, with a guy who can guard Steph Curry in the Finals. NYK dumps salary, gets some young guys and picks, and can tank for a higher 2017 draft pick. They're only 4.5 games from having the 2 worse record and this is an ideal year to tank.

Lineup is then: Horford, Love, Crowder, Smart & IT, Bench is thin w/ Amir, Mickey, Brown, Shumpert, Green, Young, and Jackson

Cap space is gone, but still have assets to get Jimmy Butler. Also, Love & Horford's contracts align, but not sure if any good free agents will be available in a few years with the new CBA.

There are two Melo arbitrages:

-- Dumping him helps with tanking, as you noted.
-- His no-trade clause gives him leverage that could wind up making his "sales" price low.

So yeah, it's a great dream to somehow benefit from that in a deal involving Melo. And the most obvious form of that for a while has been AB + Melo for Love or Griffin. For a variety of reasons, Love is the more appealing of the two at the moment.

[SMTBSI]

I can't help but feel like this Ibaka situation is exactly the kind of opening we've been holding out for. Better than a Bogut, but not something earthshattering that's going to cost BRK picks.

We're the rare situation where his expiring deal is not a negative (will drive his value down for all other suitors), and we also may be willing to pay to keep him, if we don't find anything else to do with the cap. Makes us an ideal trade partner from ORL's perspective.

Will probably have to overpay in middle-tier assets, but those are the ones we can afford to take risks with, as long as we hold the good stuff.

We probably open with:

Salary matching:
Tyler Zeller (8mil fully non-guaranteed in '17-'18)
One of: Mickey, Young, Green

Picks:
'17MIN2nd (currently #36)
'18BOS1st: lotto-protected -> '18BOS2nd
'19LAC1st: lotto-protected '19 & '20 -> '22 2nd

Next level is something like:

Salary matching:
Tyler Zeller (8mil fully non-guaranteed in '17-'18)
One of: Olynyk, Rozier, Jackson

Picks:
'17MIN2nd (currently #36)
'18BOS1st: top-7 protected -> '18BOS2nd & '19BOS2nd
'19LAC1st: lotto-protected '19 & '20 -> '22 2nd

Rights:
One of: Yabusele, Nader

That's as far as I go. No Zizic, no MEM pick, no rotation players (except Terry/KO).


But, I have a real feeling this happens at the deadline. ORL just has no reason not to wait as long as possible and see if better offers come in.

[SLCceltic]

Tyson Chandler is who we need to go after. Shouldn't cost too much, and would solve our biggest problem..

He would move the needle, we would pass Raps, and play in the ECF.

[Bill Lumbergh]

We probably open with:

Salary matching:
Tyler Zeller (8mil fully non-guaranteed in '17-'18)
One of: Mickey, Young, Green

Picks:
'17MIN2nd (currently #36)
'18BOS1st: lotto-protected -> '18BOS2nd
'19LAC1st: lotto-protected '19 & '20 -> '22 2nd

Next level is something like:

Salary matching:
Tyler Zeller (8mil fully non-guaranteed in '17-'18)
One of: Olynyk, Rozier, Jackson

Picks:
'17MIN2nd (currently #36)
'18BOS1st: top-7 protected -> '18BOS2nd & '19BOS2nd
'19LAC1st: lotto-protected '19 & '20 -> '22 2nd

Rights:
One of: Yabusele, Nader

Man, that seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy who could potentially walk in another 4 months. Him being an expiring should cut that price down to something not nearly so costly, in my view. I think he'd be a good fit, too. I think the most I'd do is Zeller, Olynyk, one non BKN first, and the '17 Min 2nd. Really about as much as I'd risk while there's a possibility of him walking in a few months. Even then, I'd be hesitant to do it without an assurance that he'd re-sign. Yeah, we have a lot of assets, but no sense in essentially wasting them for a few months of this guy.

[SMTBSI]

Man, that seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy who could potentially walk in another 4 months. Him being an expiring should cut that price down to something not nearly so costly, in my view. I think he'd be a good fit, too. I think the most I'd do is Zeller, Olynyk, one non BKN first, and the '17 Min 2nd. Really about as much as I'd risk while there's a possibility of him walking in a few months. Even then, I'd be hesitant to do it without an assurance that he'd re-sign. Yeah, we have a lot of assets, but no sense in essentially wasting them for a few months of this guy.

I don't think level one is an overpay at all. Likely winds up a late 1st and a couple 2nds. Magic only pick up the phone for that if they're pretty sure they're losing him for nothing, and nobody else is stepping up to offer more.

Honestly don't even think level two is an overpay. Olynyk and Rozier become obsolete in quite a few possible futures, and let's be honest, Yabs is a huge unknown - China can't tell us as much as we wish it could.

But either way, we can afford to overpay with the mid-tier stuff for a gambit like this. I'm not even touching Zizic or the MEM pick, let alone BRK picks / Brown / our core guys.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Tyson Chandler is who we need to go after. Shouldn't cost too much, and would solve our biggest problem..

He would move the needle, we would pass Raps, and play in the ECF.

He really would be a perfect fit for this year's team. Actually makes sense for PHX to unload him since they're better served tanking for a better lottery pick. The catch, obviously, is that he's got another 2 years at ~ 13M per after this season, which, with the new CBA is not unreasonable. There just aren't a lot of realistic free agents out there to be concerned about conserving enough for a max salary free agent. There's basically Hayward, and that's pretty much it, and with the new CBA, plus the fact that Utah's already a good team, I suspect he stays there anyway. All in all, I think I'm for a Chandler trade at a reasonable cost. We retain all our best assets and address our biggest needs.

[djFan71]

If you're Kevin Love and you see the headline:

"Knicks Approached Cavs On Carmelo Anthony For Kevin Love Trade"

What body part do you injure?

You want it to be serious enough to squash any possibility of that trade, but not too serious so you can be back in time for the playoffs. Maybe a shoulder injury? Make it seem chronic/related to the KO-inflicted one?

Actually, a Love injury is the one way it could happen, like Ratliff/Mutombo.

Oh, yeah.... good point. Kinda ruins the admittedly lame joke, though.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm getting impatient, but not Chandler impatient. Unless we're getting Chandler, Noel and Butler, it's too big a gamble.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I'm getting impatient, but not Chandler impatient. Unless we're getting Chandler, Noel and Butler, it's too big a gamble.

What's the gamble? You're worried about the cap space?

[djFan71]

Man, that seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy who could potentially walk in another 4 months. Him being an expiring should cut that price down to something not nearly so costly, in my view. I think he'd be a good fit, too. I think the most I'd do is Zeller, Olynyk, one non BKN first, and the '17 Min 2nd. Really about as much as I'd risk while there's a possibility of him walking in a few months. Even then, I'd be hesitant to do it without an assurance that he'd re-sign. Yeah, we have a lot of assets, but no sense in essentially wasting them for a few months of this guy.

I don't think level one is an overpay at all. Likely winds up a late 1st and a couple 2nds. Magic only pick up the phone for that if they're pretty sure they're losing him for nothing, and nobody else is stepping up to offer more.

Honestly don't even think level two is an overpay. Olynyk and Rozier become obsolete in quite a few possible futures, and let's be honest, Yabs is a huge unknown - China can't tell us as much as we wish it could.

But either way, we can afford to overpay with the mid-tier stuff for a gambit like this. I'm not even touching Zizic or the MEM pick, let alone BRK picks / Brown / our core guys.

Seems pretty drastic to see it laid out at first with all the picks, but yeah, if you lotto-protect (hopefully unncessarily) our 2018, there's nothing that's going to be crazy valuable there given our current situation. I'd yank Rozier & Yabu from the list, but other than that, sure, even level 2. Granted, I just neutred level 2, so let's call it level 1.5 in my world.

[FlatearthZorro]

Tyson Chandler is who we need to go after. Shouldn't cost too much, and would solve our biggest problem..

He would move the needle, we would pass Raps, and play in the ECF.

I'm starting to warmp up on the Chandler idea more and more. Considering Cousins will sign this massive deal, Griffin to me will either sign a long term deal or just sign a 1 year ~30 mils + PO for the second. And then all you're left with is scraps- I don't want Milsap for more than 2-3 years, he's 32 years old and he turns us into the Hawks of the past. I was pro trading for him at the deadline, if it doesn't cost too much, cause it will let us experiment and add a quality big man to the roster.

Bottom line is the new CBA literally **** us. With your original draft team being able to offer so much more than any other team, it's really hard for players to leave, even if it's a bad situation. We either trade for a star(George, Butler, AD, Cousins) or we draft one. We wont be able to sign a superstar(biggest chance for us to do it could be Klay Thompson, but he has ties to the LAL organization, so I dunno if he ever comes here) in free agency. We might sign a very good/all-star caliber player, but it will be super hard to sign a superstar.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm getting impatient, but not Chandler impatient. Unless we're getting Chandler, Noel and Butler, it's too big a gamble.

What's the gamble? You're worried about the cap space?

Combination of cap space and Chandler's age, health. He's playing well in Phoenix, but they rejuvenate older players somehow. He's a valuable veteran, but only if he's the third or fourth player we add to the roster.

[FlatearthZorro]

By the way, its been talked about before but can we trade the BKN 18 pick and put a protection on it. I don't think so, but I'm still wondering. Would love to get Whiteside, but I doubt Riley trades with us.