Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis

Post #861 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:22 pm

DRose leading the charge with no Melo to offset the meltdown

Top 5 pick is an absolute lock

Post #862 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:22 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:its a tough decision to make. we're going to have to lose virtually every game to get a top 3 pick. that's not happening with melo.

We'd have to go like 5-30 over the rest of the season to get top 3, 10-25 should get top 5, but you never know. Its a close race, and Melo will give us that couple extra wins to push us back
Which actually helped us last draft, so you never know

it's weird, last draft i was hoping for a top 3 pick, this draft i want a top 2 pick and it's way more loaded.

I forget where I posted it, but its extremely extremely extremely unlikely (think 1.6% chance) that the team with the worst record gets the 1st pick. By my estimates, we should still have one of the elite pg prospects available at 8th, and given that the furthest you can drop is 3 picks, as long as we end bottom 5 I'll be happy

El Poochio · Post #863 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:22 pm

K-DOT wrote:
El Poochio wrote:Brooklyn and Lakers are locks for a top 3 worst record, but who is the 3rd with them? Can easily be Knicks without Melo

Lakers only have one game on the Suns, Knicks are 5 out of 2nd worst
Honestly, if we get the second worst record, we're getting the #1 pick

Yes we can beat the Lakers too look at their incredible schedule, they played like historical record of 30 games in 50 days, so they are better than what suggested but their tank game gonna be very strong trying to keep their pick once more

MrProb · Post #864 » by **MrProb** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:23 pm

kane2021 wrote:Melo doesn't care what the knicks get. He just wants what he wants.

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Ain't that a given ? it's a business after all, the Knicks want him gone and he clearly stated he doesn't want to but when things don't work out, a man has to think about his future and his family first and foremost

frogfood · Post #865 » by **frogfood** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:23 pm

Jim Ross "What's that? Is that....TKF's music?!"

"IM COMIN HOME...IM COMIN HOME"

Post #866 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:23 pm

BrownBearKing wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
El Poochio wrote:Brooklyn and Lakers are locks for a top 3 worst record, but who is the 3rd with them? Can easily be Knicks without Melo

Lakers only have one game on the Suns, Knicks are 5 out of 2nd worst
Honestly, if we get the second worst record, we're getting the #1 pick

We got the 4th last time this happdned.

And we got the 2nd best player out of it. Everything happens for a reason

Post #867 » by **King of Canada** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:23 pm

I'm probably going to dream about this ish tonight if something doesn't go down before I go to bed

DE FENSE · Post #868 » by **DE FENSE** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:25 pm

Greenie wrote:You know what? Fuq Phillip. Gramps gotta go. Greenie is team Hoodwinked now. I want him nowhere NEAR us during our rebuild. GTFO PHIL!

You must have a lot of confidence in Steve Mills because thats Phil's successor. I sure as hell don't trust that goofy faced dude.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #869 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:25 pm

dakomish23 wrote:DRose leading the charge with no Melo to offset the meltdown

Top 5 pick is an absolute lock

I need Rose gone either way, Last night sealed his fate for me. I tried to like him but, he didn't fight over 1 screen all night.... Get out of my sight. At least Jose tried on defense. He just sucked. Same with Jennings. But to see Rose just not give a chit set me off...

Post #870 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:25 pm

shtolky wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
no, they won't. the fans are never patient in NY. but it doesn't matter. the business plan will be what it be.

have you followed the new york mets?

they went through a rebuild.

Yankees are doing it now too. I've always hated the narrative that you can't rebuild in NY. Judging by this forum alone I would think a proper rebuild would be met with open arms.

i didn't say it can't be done. i said the fans are never patient in NY.

Post #871 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:26 pm

I am expecting this to drag on for weeks.

Post #872 » by **King of Canada** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:26 pm

I wonder if Carmelo makes the all star team and gets traded on the same day?

ibraheim718 · Post #873 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:26 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
What's the number with him off the floor? Also please post KP's numbers and DRose numbers.

I posted the number the other day.

The team gets outscored by more when he's on the floor than when he's off. I think the differential was like 2 points a game. The team scores more with him on the floor but they give up more points also.. per 100.

You remember the site? I'd like to post the updated numbers, no matter what they say.

http://www.82games.com/1617/1617NYK.HTM

The on/off numbers aren't good for Melo.

Wolfgang630 · Post #874 » by **Wolfgang630** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:27 pm

Thank **** God Phil finally realized it. KP needs to learn to be the man and go through hardship. Rose walks next year and we march forward.

Post #875 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:28 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Who exactly is Boston going to sign this offseason? The new CBA will completely limit studs leaving their teams so you're just looking at second and third tier guys, maybe.

Gordon Baeward is their priority. Stevens has the Butler connection as well.

Can't offer as much as Utah and Utah is going to max him out. Gordon isn't giving up 40mm guaranteed.

so hard to lure that tier of player away now.

StephNYKurry · Post #876 » by **StephNYKurry** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:28 pm

Silver is even better than Stern

Impressive

Post #877 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:30 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
I posted the number the other day.

The team gets outscored by more when he's on the floor than when he's off. I think the differential was like 2 points a game. The team scores more with him on the floor but they give up more points also.. per 100.

You remember the site? I'd like to post the updated numbers, no matter what they say.

http://www.82games.com/1617/1617NYK.HTM

The on/off numbers aren't good for Melo.

But his production numbers is best on the team. They combine the two and his rating is second best.

Sprewell4Three · Post #878 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:30 pm

It's time to build around KP. Go on with this 'oh we can;t trade melo' nonsense. IT DID NOT WORKOUT!
How many losing seasons do you guys have to see before realizing that it did not work out with Carmelo Anthony?

ibraheim718 · Post #879 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:30 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I am expecting this to drag on for weeks.

Yep.. and it may not even get done this year but as of now I don't think he retires a Knick like I had once thought. I think the end is near because all this chatter could've been stopped with the quickness. I also don't think Dolan cares if Melo stays or goes like he used to because of that incident where he made Melo apologize and Melo didn't want to. You remember what that was about?

sportscrazy · Post #880 » by **sportscrazy** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:31 pm

Usually the best deals are where both fan bases are pissed off and disappointed, makes me think the line in the sand where both sides feel they got ripped off, but the real life GM's couldn't walk away from the deal is...

Kyle O'Quinn and Carmelo Anthony for Amir Johnson, Tyler Zeller, Marcus Smart, 2018 Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick, 2019 Los Angeles Clippers First Round Draft Pick and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies First Round Draft Pick

That's 3 first rounders, a decent young prospect and expiring contracts for 'Melo and O'Quinn. Knicks fans would hate it, Celtics fans would hate it. Phil probably does it if the alternative was the next best offer (Clippers non-Redick/Griffin/Paul/Jordan offer), Ainge probably does it if the alternative to underpaying for 'Melo was overpaying for Jimmy Butler.