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Political Roundtable Part XII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#521 » by sfam » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:09 pm

Rafael122 wrote:BTW, if the US imposes a tax on Mexican imports doesn't that hurt AMERICAN manufacturing companies that are reliant on Mexican imports? So you're dicking over the middle class, while US consumers pay the tax. Do I have that correctly? So basically the guac at your local bodega will cost $3.99 instead of a dollar.

And you know what the messed up part is? The immigrants are mostly coming from Central America. So basically you have the US engaging in a trade war with Mexico over immigrants coming from other countries.

Give it a week. I'm sure there'll be more trade wars to talk about then. Trump hasn't gotten to Asia yet.

I just want to see how he explains the rise in unemployment over the next few years. Then again, if its at alt-42%, I'm sure it will lower regardless :)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#522 » by popper » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:23 pm

Just like it's a certainty IMO that Trump will win the "Mexico pays for the Wall" conflict (we have all the leverage, they have none) I also see the sanctuary city conflict being resolved relatively quickly. For instance Trump might prohibit all federal agencies or organizations receiving funds from the treasury from participating in any conventions or meetings taking place in sanctuary cities. There's a dozen other policies he could enact that would devastate the economies of the law breaking municipalities.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#523 » by payitforward » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:42 pm

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DCZards wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Trump is like a James Carville on the Republican side. Forget making a methodical, consistent argument; just attack, attack, attack! The Democrats and the media have never faced anything like him before and they still haven't figured out how to counter him. All of their tried and true tactics are failing them.


The difference is that, unlike a partisan and political operative like Carville, Trump was elected to be President of the United States---and that means all Americans, including those who don't agree with his politics. Trump's calling Americans who disagree with him his "enemies" says a lot about just how pitiful a situation this country finds itself in with an immature bully, bigot and liar as its president.

That's just it. Trump is unquestionably a bully. But so was Obama, who picked on a small pizza shop in Indiana. So is Hillary Clinton, who labeled a quarter of the country deplorable and irredeemable. Trump is making no claim to be better than these people. He is merely using the same tactics back at them.


DCZards wrote:Trump himself will be the main reason that progressives, liberals, moderates, and other Americans are united--and not fragmented--four years from now.

That's certainly possible. But it won't be easy. The schism between the rich, white, college educated liberals and the poor, angry, black liberals is pretty big and may be growing:

A Democratic National Committee candidate forum showed a party united in one theme: white people need to shut up.

A white female chair hopeful ventured forth to state her very job was to keep to her fellow Caucasians in their proper place at the Monday night event.

“My job is to shut other white people down when they want to say, ‘oh, no, I’m not prejudiced; I’m a Democrat; I’m accepting,'” Sally Boynton Brown, Idaho Democratic Committee chairwoman and DNC chair candidate, declared.

She further said that she would shut white people down when they try to interrupt minorities, make sure that they “get” their white privilege and encourage minorities to school Caucasians on all the important topics.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/25/democrats-unify-around-shutting-down-white-people/

To quote your favorite person, nate, that daily caller thing is "fake news."

Obama was a bully, nate? That's a considered opinion? Obama "picked on" that pizza shop? How? By way of that joke at the '15 Correspondents' Dinner? A joke the point of which was to make fun of the close relationship he and Joe Biden had created? Or are you really too determined to make things mean what you think they mean to have "gotten" the joke? Wow....

I wouldn't describe Trump as borrowing tactics from Obama or Clinton, & I doubt he'd suggest he was doing it either, except perhaps with a snicker.

Tell me, has Trump told any lies, flat out lies, in the first week of his Presidency? E.g. about attendance at the Inauguration for starters? Just a straight answer, please: did Donald Trump lie, or did he not lie about this subject?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#524 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:47 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#525 » by AFM » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:47 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/most-important-civil-rights-issue-trump-could-solve-executive-order-end-war-drugs-gu

The imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of young Americans--preponderantly Americans of color in state after state-- in America's drug-war gulag is the greatest violation of civil rights since the 1960s-- yet fake-liberals and fake-conservatives alike have done nothing but turn their self-serving gaze away from this needless, costly, stupid waste of lives and treasure.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#526 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:48 pm

Walking it back already.

Must have taken some heat from the GOP/big business

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#527 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:51 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#528 » by AFM » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:58 pm

Hell yeah. Hammer and Sickle Vodka is pretty expensive here.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#529 » by verbal8 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:08 pm

Rafael122 wrote:BTW, if the US imposes a tax on Mexican imports doesn't that hurt AMERICAN manufacturing companies that are reliant on Mexican imports? So you're dicking over the middle class, while US consumers pay the tax. Do I have that correctly? So basically the guac at your local bodega will cost $3.99 instead of a dollar.

And you know what the messed up part is? The immigrants are mostly coming from Central America. So basically you have the US engaging in a trade war with Mexico over immigrants coming from other countries.


Stop trying to use facts. Don't you realize alternative facts are what matters in politics now. Hmm maybe EG was ahead of his time in using alternate facts(like Maynor was a good player) in making his moves.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#530 » by payitforward » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:19 pm

popper wrote:Just like it's a certainty IMO that Trump will win the "Mexico pays for the Wall" conflict (we have all the leverage, they have none) I also see the sanctuary city conflict being resolved relatively quickly. For instance Trump might prohibit all federal agencies or organizations receiving funds from the treasury from participating in any conventions or meetings taking place in sanctuary cities. There's a dozen other policies he could enact that would devastate the economies of the law breaking municipalities.

Well, at least you included an "IMO" in this sequence of false and/or fake "certainties." I give you credit for that.

Tell me, if Mexico has to pay a tax or tariff on goods it exports here, will that lower the price of those goods, raise the price of those goods, or have no effect on the price of those goods? I count on you to understand that it will raise the price of those goods.

Who will pay that higher price, hmmmm? Lets say some brake parts for a Ford Taurus come from Mexico. When their price goes up, inevitably the price of the Ford Taurus goes up, doesn't it? Or shouldn't we mention that? Who pays that higher price for the Taurus? An American consumer. So... who is it who's paying for the wall, do tell me again?

You may be tempted to reply that the higher price will incentivize Ford to start making those brake parts in the US. It may. Over an extended time. If consumers buy fewer Ford Taurus cars. Then again, it's kind of useful to spread the down side risk w/ a Mexican partner. One less factory for you to take out of existence when problems arise. As well, when a different company in Mexico comes up w/ a better brake part, there's little friction for Ford in switching.

Here's something else to absorb:

HIgher prices on imported car parts > higher prices for cars > fewer cars sold > fewer cars built > fewer auto workers.

Hmmmm....

As to the "sanctuary city" conflict (you know... the one you just made up), you sure do like those dictatorial powers, don't you? Wow, that's how to fix everything.

When you say "law-breaking municipalities" btw, don't we usually respond to "law breaking" by way of the justice system? Or is that too indirect for the new version of America? Btw, can you point to any laws any municipality would be breaking? Hmmm?

One of the hallmarks of conservatism, I thought, was less government power, in fact, less government altogether. You don't give much evidence of an interest in that. Rather the opposite.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#531 » by closg00 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:23 pm

Somebody help me out here, please explain to me how making Americans pay a 20% tax on Mexican imports to pay for Trump's wall is making Mexico pay for it? Is this the latest alternative fact?


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#532 » by payitforward » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:25 pm

Here ya go, popper: here's your "we have all the leverage, they have none" BS served back on a plate. Enjoy eating it: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wall-tariff-would-hurt-auto-industry
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#533 » by pineappleheadindc » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:26 pm

So, Trump is going to pay for the wall with a 20% tax on Mexican imports.

Orange dufus, that charge merely gets passed along to the American consumer.

In short, Trump is paying for the wall with a tax on the American consumer. If there are any Trump voters on this board, can you please write to him in DC and tell him to stop and resign. I'm way too tired of all this "winning".
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#534 » by payitforward » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:28 pm

closg00 wrote:Somebody help me out here, please explain to me how making Americans pay a 20% tax on Mexican imports to pay for Trump's wall is making Mexico pay for it? Is this the latest alternative fact?

Oh no no no, Americans aren't going to have to pay that tax. The price of goods won't be allowed to go up. That's such a sad idea. We're going to have price controls on Mexican goods. It's going to beautiful. Believe me. It really is.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#535 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:30 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#536 » by payitforward » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:39 pm

Famously, Charles Wilson, Eisenhower's Sec'ty of Defense & previously the Chairman of GM, once said "What's good for General Motors is good for America." In fact, that's a slight misquote ("& vice versa" his actual words went on).

Now we have an administration that believes the opposite: what's bad for General Motors is good for America. Won't it be enjoyable to find out whether that's correct?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#537 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:08 am

pineappleheadindc wrote:So, Trump is going to pay for the wall with a 20% tax on Mexican imports.

Orange dufus, that charge merely gets passed along to the American consumer.

In short, Trump is paying for the wall with a tax on the American consumer. If there are any Trump voters on this board, can you please write to him in DC and tell him to stop and resign. I'm way too tired of all this "winning".


My guess is that Orange Troll has remittances in his comb-over cross hairs.

Tax them, fine Western Union for allowing 'illegal' though perfectly legal money transfers. A beautiful, really wonderful thing you're gonna love. Take from the poor in both countries. Consign villages to even more abject poverty, then spend billions to mitigate the negative impacts.

This shiez is really starting to get scary. Not even EG is as incompetent at his job.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#538 » by Doug_Blew » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:08 am

At anytime has anyone ever thought that this country could be great only if we had a wall to keep the Mexicans out?

Walls are so 1960s.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#539 » by pineappleheadindc » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:29 am

As I think about it, it gets worse.

1. The American taxpayer is going to initially foot the bill for this wall out of Congressional appropriations -- your tax dollars.
2. Then, we're gonna pay out of pocket as the value of the tarriff is passed along to consumers.

We taxpayers are gonna pay for the wall TWICE.

So much #winning. Make it stop.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#540 » by Wizardspride » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:35 am

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