Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[RickyDizzle]

Zeller and Minny 2nd (or Clippers 1st) for Taj Gibson.

Does anyone really think Bogut (everyones favorite low cost expiring big to acquire) would get more rebounds the rest of the season than Gibson? I dont.

The most important ability is availability. Give me Taj over Bogut anyday. Plus if we strike out in FA we can Zeller/Amir him with a fat 1+1 to get a rotation player and trade chip for salary matching.

You see, this trade is rational. I'm a big fan of Taj Gibson, he's solid every year. Would help a lot at the 4

Excellent idea.

Thank you and if you combine both ideas (Rozier for Holmes, Zeller and a pick for Taj) , you're left with:

IT, Smart, Jackson
AB, Smart, Brown, Green
Crowder, Brown, Green
Taj Gibson, Kelly, Jerebko. Amir
Horford, Holmes, Amir

Horford has to stay at the 5, but we've improved our chances in the playoffs this year, while balancing the roster some and departing with very few key assets. I think Smart would basically be in a 3 guard rotation with IT and AB, but Jaylen can take some of Terry's minutes as a big backup 2 guard. Holmes and Taj take Amir's minutes and probably Jerebko's and some of Kelly's. Maybe the front court rotation would be something like:

Taj 26, Kelly 22,
Horford 32, Holmes 16

[ddb]

Knicks reached out to the Celtics on Melo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-besides-cavs-knicks-reached-out-to-celtics-clippers-about-melo-deal-171840928.html

Can Blake opt in for next season as part of a deal to Boston? If so, something like this might work

Boston out: Amir, Zeller, BK17, Memphis 18
Boston in: Blake, Pierce

LAC out: Blake, Pierce
LAC in: Melo, Memphis 2018 1st

NY out: Melo
NY in: Amir, Zeller, BK 17

Why for Boston: only makes sense if Blake is healthy and Blake opts in for next season. Pierce is part of the deal simply for sentimental reasons. He can ride it out on the bench in a Celtics uniform which is the uniform he needs to have on.

Why for LA: What they have isn't working. Hasn't worked. won't work. Need to shake it up. CP3 and Melo are good friends. Melo gives them a go-to scorer. they get a pick as well from Boston

Why for NY: Getting that BK 17 for Melo and 2 expirings is absolutely the best value they could possibly get in return for a 32 year old declining star. Phil should take it a run.

IT-AB-Crowder-Blake-Horford
Rozier-Smart-Brown-Jonas-KO Make a title push

CP3-Reddick-Melo-mbah a moute-Jordan
Rivers-Felton-Crawford-Johnson-Speights-Bass Maybe Melo fits in well and the Clippers get really interesting in the playoffs

NY- who cares. rebuilding and the BK 17 is a haul for them for Melo. plus cap space galore.

Wouldn't give that up considering Blake could bolt in free agency for the Lakers and pursue his acting career...

True. but if he opts in then we get another season to sell him on Boston. Although, his injuries concern me.. Regarding the whole acting thing, that wouldn't die if he went to Boston. Wahlberg, Affleck (s), Damon, etc would embrace him in Boston. Blake would probably love playing for a real sports town like Boston.

[SMTBSI]

I'm feeling like it's almost a certainty we end up doing either an Ibaka deal or a Melo+O'Quinn deal. I think those are going to be our take-'em-or-leave 'em non-BRK pick options.

Honestly okay with either. Still believe our contention timeline aligns with the BRK picks, so putting ourselves in a puncher's-chance position while we wait for those to mature is fine by me.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Knicks can't acquire Griffin as long as Rose is on the roster.

[jeremym480]

The Clippers have lost three out of four and play and play Golden State two times in their next three games, then play Boston and Toronto. Let's assume they lose 7 or 8 out of 10 games (counting the three they just lost) if so, any chance they decide to go a different direction and trade us De'Andre Jordan in a three-team deal with New York?

Boston gets - Jordan, PP34 from LAC
LAC gets - Their 19 1st back from Boston. Melo, O'Quinn from NY
NY gets - Amir, Zeller, BOS 18 1st from Boston. Brice Johnson from LAC

[165bows]

I'm feeling like it's almost a certainty we end up doing either an Ibaka deal or a Melo+O'Quinn deal. I think those are going to be our take-'em-or-leave 'em non-BRK pick options.

Honestly okay with either. Still believe our contention timeline aligns with the BRK picks, so putting ourselves in a puncher's-chance position while we wait for those to mature is fine by me.

Desperation going up all over = good things for us lol!

[SMTBSI]

Desperation going up all over = good things for us lol!

Exactly. Like I keep saying, this a big game of chicken. The closer we get to the deadline, the more options are going to open up, as teams decide to change course. We can't be the first to blink, every time we go on a mini losing streak. Have to play it cool.

[165bows]

Desperation going up all over = good things for us lol!

Exactly. Like I keep saying, this a big game of chicken. The closer we get to the deadline, the more options are going to open up, as teams decide to change course. We can't be the first to blink, every time we go on a mini losing streak. Have to play it cool.

Yeah hard to see this being anything other than a deadline move unless some team makes a no-brainer offer.

Even a small good deal will have to wait since it would block a better deal later.

[jrob23]

I'm feeling like it's almost a certainty we end up doing either an Ibaka deal or a Melo+O'Quinn deal. I think those are going to be our take-'em-or-leave 'em non-BRK pick options.

Honestly okay with either. Still believe our contention timeline aligns with the BRK picks, so putting ourselves in a puncher's-chance position while we wait for those to mature is fine by me.

Desperation going up all over = good things for us lol!

but if we are truly trying to win a championship this year or next we're in desperation mode as well

[Darth Celtic]

If Danny comes up on the trade deadline, and he knows that a certain big fish has a good chance of opting out because you met with him this summer. He won't do a trade to add salary. If he feels with the new CBA, that's no longer and option, he just might. I just have this feeling no way the Nets picks are traded for anything. No melo (not worth it), no griffen (you get him to sign as free agent or nothing), no butler (not worth it).

If it's option 2, I'm actually ok with a trade like Amir and Zeller (expiring) along with rozier, bostons 18 pick, clippers 19 pick for Melo.

He starts at the 4 for us, and in our system would actually be really good. They get 2 late picks and out of his contract to go with a good young PG in case Rose leaves.

[Elrod is Back]

If Danny comes up on the trade deadline, and he knows that a certain big fish has a good chance of opting out because you met with him this summer. He won't do a trade to add salary. If he feels with the new CBA, that's no longer and option, he just might. I just have this feeling no way the Nets picks are traded for anything. No melo (not worth it), no griffen (you get him to sign as free agent or nothing), no butler (not worth it).

If it's option 2, I'm actually ok with a trade like Amir and Zeller (expiring) along with rozier, bostons 18 pick, clippers 19 pick for Melo.

He starts at the 4 for us, and in our system would actually be really good. They get 2 late picks and out of his contract to go with a good young PG in case Rose leaves.

I think Phil woudl jump at that deal. Two no. 1s and Rozier for a guy he can't give away? Where does he sign?

Danny, on the other hand, is holding all the cards if Melo agrees to come to Boston. To give up the right to sign a free agent in 2017, and maybe many more years thereafter, Danny should only accept Melo's contract by offering expiring deals and less than what Darth mentions.

How about Zeller, Amir, Rozier, Mickey, Minn 2017 No. 2, LAC no. 1, two distant no. 2 picks, for Melo and O'Quinn.

The Knicks get a ton of capspace, Rozier, and a few picks. O'Quinn is crucial for the Cs. He arguably has as much value for us as Melo.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Can Blake opt in for next season as part of a deal to Boston? If so, something like this might work

Boston out: Amir, Zeller, BK17, Memphis 18
Boston in: Blake, Pierce

LAC out: Blake, Pierce
LAC in: Melo, Memphis 2018 1st

NY out: Melo
NY in: Amir, Zeller, BK 17

Why for Boston: only makes sense if Blake is healthy and Blake opts in for next season. Pierce is part of the deal simply for sentimental reasons. He can ride it out on the bench in a Celtics uniform which is the uniform he needs to have on.

Why for LA: What they have isn't working. Hasn't worked. won't work. Need to shake it up. CP3 and Melo are good friends. Melo gives them a go-to scorer. they get a pick as well from Boston

Why for NY: Getting that BK 17 for Melo and 2 expirings is absolutely the best value they could possibly get in return for a 32 year old declining star. Phil should take it a run.

IT-AB-Crowder-Blake-Horford
Rozier-Smart-Brown-Jonas-KO Make a title push

CP3-Reddick-Melo-mbah a moute-Jordan
Rivers-Felton-Crawford-Johnson-Speights-Bass Maybe Melo fits in well and the Clippers get really interesting in the playoffs

NY- who cares. rebuilding and the BK 17 is a haul for them for Melo. plus cap space galore.

Wouldn't give that up considering Blake could bolt in free agency for the Lakers and pursue his acting career...

True. but if he opts in then we get another season to sell him on Boston. Although, his injuries concern me.. Regarding the whole acting thing, that wouldn't die if he went to Boston. Wahlberg, Affleck (s), Damon, etc would embrace him in Boston. Blake would probably love playing for a real sports town like Boston.

Could be wrong, I don't think he has much incentive to opt in?

Best asset I'd give up is Crowder.

[TheMartian]

Desperation going up all over = good things for us lol!

Exactly. Like I keep saying, this a big game of chicken. The closer we get to the deadline, the more options are going to open up, as teams decide to change course. We can't be the first to blink, every time we go on a mini losing streak. Have to play it cool.

Yeah hard to see this being anything other than a deadline move unless some team makes a no-brainer offer.

Even a small good deal will have to wait since it would block a better deal later.

Agreed. Boston really doesn't need to do anything drastic and can just wait for the right deal to come up.

[cellar-door]

If Danny comes up on the trade deadline, and he knows that a certain big fish has a good chance of opting out because you met with him this summer. He won't do a trade to add salary. If he feels with the new CBA, that's no longer and option, he just might. I just have this feeling no way the Nets picks are traded for anything. No melo (not worth it), no griffen (you get him to sign as free agent or nothing), no butler (not worth it).

If it's option 2, I'm actually ok with a trade like Amir and Zeller (expiring) along with rozier, bostons 18 pick, clippers 19 pick for Melo.

He starts at the 4 for us, and in our system would actually be really good. They get 2 late picks and out of his contract to go with a good young PG in case Rose leaves.

Seriously? Jimmy Butler isn't worth at least 1 Brooklyn pick to you? He's one of the 5 best SFs in basketball, great on both ends and has 3 years left on a below market deal. The odds of the 2018 BKN pick for example ever becoming even CLOSE to that good are pretty small, and even if he did it would be on a much later timeline than the current roster.

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This Bulls team is completely blowing up right infront of us.... could be interesting (although I highly doubt they trade Butler still)

[darrendaye]

If Danny comes up on the trade deadline, and he knows that a certain big fish has a good chance of opting out because you met with him this summer. He won't do a trade to add salary. If he feels with the new CBA, that's no longer and option, he just might. I just have this feeling no way the Nets picks are traded for anything. No melo (not worth it), no griffen (you get him to sign as free agent or nothing), no butler (not worth it).

If it's option 2, I'm actually ok with a trade like Amir and Zeller (expiring) along with rozier, bostons 18 pick, clippers 19 pick for Melo.

He starts at the 4 for us, and in our system would actually be really good. They get 2 late picks and out of his contract to go with a good young PG in case Rose leaves.

Seriously? Jimmy Butler isn't worth at least 1 Brooklyn pick to you? He's one of the 5 best SFs in basketball, great on both ends and has 3 years left on a below market deal. The odds of the 2018 BKN pick for example ever becoming even CLOSE to that good are pretty small, and even if he did it would be on a much later timeline than the current roster.

He's probably worth any pick beyond #1. Arguably not worth #2 depending upon how you view Ball's upside. Beyond that, sure. I'm not pulling the trigger on trading this pick until the cards are in.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Bradley, Amir and BKN '18 for Butler I'd think hard about, especially if Chicago can move another piece (Gibson, Lopez, Rondo, Mirotic) to bring us back someone like Noel.

[jmr07019]

Desperation going up all over = good things for us lol!

Exactly. Like I keep saying, this a big game of chicken. The closer we get to the deadline, the more options are going to open up, as teams decide to change course. We can't be the first to blink, every time we go on a mini losing streak. Have to play it cool.

Yeah hard to see this being anything other than a deadline move unless some team makes a no-brainer offer.

Even a small good deal will have to wait since it would block a better deal later.

You think we could get him for something like Amir Zeller Rozier Boston 18 1st, LAC pick, Memphis pick?

[Andrew McCeltic]

At this point, though, those BKN picks - even just one - have more value to us where we are in team-building than Butler - so if we're giving one away to add him, we'd need more value than Butler coming back in return.

[GoCeltics123]

At this point, though, those BKN picks - even just one - have more value to us where we are in team-building than Butler - so if we're giving one away to add him, we'd need more value than Butler coming back in return.

So a team with IT and Al Horford should be waiting it out? How does that make any sense? One is 30, the other 27.

And no, Jimmy G Buckets>>>Value of any draft pick