Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Captain_Caveman]

Why are you all so hesistsnt to trade a BKN pick for a top 10 player not on an expiring contract?

Because (a) we don't need to, and (b) it doesn't put us over the top right now.

The Celts have an excellent chance to be a contending team someday if they just stand pat and stay patient. Any major move we make has to beat that baseline. While it is hard to win a ring in this league, it is asinine to give up a chance a future championship team just to make a move that bumps us from 6th best to 3rd best while removing that championship possibility.

We are a young 50-55 win that is in the process of adding two of three top 3-5 picks over a 3-year period. That's amazing! We have the luxury of staying patient and making prudent choices. Overpaying for Butler at the peak of his value does not do that. You only do that if it puts you above the Warriors or on a path to be above the Warriors in the near-term, not to get a "top 10 player" or some other nonsense.

Bulls 100% do not have the same luxury of staying patient. They built a veteran team with a .500 ceiling, that is wholly dependent on giving Butler more usage than his knees can handle. And even that is falling apart at the seams. Whether you trade him to us or another team, his value can only go down. In the meantime, you are killing the value of your own lottery picks, and delaying the inevitable rebuild that is coming your way.

We'll wait, thank you very much. Wish you luck in the meantime, because you guys are gonna need a lot of it.

You guys would get by the Cavs if we sent Jimmy and Wade.

Nah.

And then we'd be screwed.

I mean seriously, if those guys are actually so much better than IT/Bradley/Smart, how come we are 5 games up on you despite having some of the most injuries in the league this year?

Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Mic drop ^^

[Darth Celtic]

This thread is getting out of control. Not like it was ever really in control.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

This thread is getting out of control. Not like it was ever really in control.

None of these trade threads are lmao

[BakersDozen]

Just get this Melo trade over with. See if Phil bites on Smart/Kelly/Amir/two non brooklyn picks and then sign Sanders

It/AB/Crowder/Melo/Horford
Rozier/Brown/Green/Jonas/Sanders


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[Captain_Caveman]

This thread is getting out of control. Not like it was ever really in control.

If you are talking about me, I don't think I am being unfair.

Butler is an upgrade, and maybe Wade would be for a few months, but it really doesn't improve us to the point where we'd contend, or where it validates giving up an all-but-guaranteed top 4 pick in a strong draft that is all but sure to provide backcourt upgrades much cheaper.

I was totally down for Butler above and beyond what most posters thought was fair last year, and would still overpay.

But really, how good was the Ray Allen trade if it didn't lead to the KG trade?

Without a follow-up haymaker to a Butler trade, how much of a difference does it really and truly make?

Bottom line is that fans of teams around the league are over here concocting trades to get those Nets picks. Can't blame them. Butler is among the most reasonable options out of all of them.

But we are not dealing from a position of weakness here. Our do nothing option is getting better all the time.

[Bulls03]

Because (a) we don't need to, and (b) it doesn't put us over the top right now.

The Celts have an excellent chance to be a contending team someday if they just stand pat and stay patient. Any major move we make has to beat that baseline. While it is hard to win a ring in this league, it is asinine to give up a chance a future championship team just to make a move that bumps us from 6th best to 3rd best while removing that championship possibility.

We are a young 50-55 win that is in the process of adding two of three top 3-5 picks over a 3-year period. That's amazing! We have the luxury of staying patient and making prudent choices. Overpaying for Butler at the peak of his value does not do that. You only do that if it puts you above the Warriors or on a path to be above the Warriors in the near-term, not to get a "top 10 player" or some other nonsense.

Bulls 100% do not have the same luxury of staying patient. They built a veteran team with a .500 ceiling, that is wholly dependent on giving Butler more usage than his knees can handle. And even that is falling apart at the seams. Whether you trade him to us or another team, his value can only go down. In the meantime, you are killing the value of your own lottery picks, and delaying the inevitable rebuild that is coming your way.

We'll wait, thank you very much. Wish you luck in the meantime, because you guys are gonna need a lot of it.

You guys would get by the Cavs if we sent Jimmy and Wade.

Nah.

And then we'd be screwed.

I mean seriously, if those guys are actually so much better than IT/Bradley/Smart, how come we are 5 games up on you despite having some of the most injuries in the league this year?

Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk?

What? That doesn't even make sense.

You guys have a far better coach and much better role players so that's probably why.

Are you telling me IT/Bradley/Smart is better than IT/Wade/Butler? I hope that's not what you're saying. You guys need a little more star power and in this deal we sent you 2 star level players in the playoffs for Bradley a couple role players and 2 picks.

[Darth Celtic]

This thread is getting out of control. Not like it was ever really in control.

If you are talking about me, I don't think I am being unfair.

Butler is an upgrade, and maybe Wade would be for a few months, but it really doesn't improve us to the point where we'd contend, or where it validates giving up an all-but-guaranteed top 4 pick in a strong draft that is all but sure to provide backcourt upgrades much cheaper.

I was totally down for Butler above and beyond what most posters thought was fair last year, and would still overpay.

But really, how good was the Ray Allen trade if it didn't lead to the KG trade?

Without a follow-up haymaker to a Butler trade, how much of a difference does it really and truly make?

Bottom line is that fans of teams around the league are over here concocting trades to get those Nets picks. Can't blame them. Butler is among the most reasonable options out of all of them.

But we are not dealing from a position of weakness here. Our do nothing option is getting better all the time.

uh, i and 1'd your post?

[London2Boston]

Wade in a Celtics jersey would make me puke. That's all I have to provide.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Wade's no longer a star.

[Captain_Caveman]

You guys would get by the Cavs if we sent Jimmy and Wade.

Nah.

And then we'd be screwed.

I mean seriously, if those guys are actually so much better than IT/Bradley/Smart, how come we are 5 games up on you despite having some of the most injuries in the league this year?

Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk?

What? That doesn't even make sense.

You guys have a far better coach and much better role players so that's probably why.

Are you telling me IT/Bradley/Smart is better than IT/Wade/Butler? I hope that's not what you're saying. You guys need a little more star power and in this deal we sent you 2 star level players in the playoffs for Bradley a couple role players and 2 picks.

All I am saying is that while I think Butler is an upgrade, you are way overstating the value of that for us. We already have a good backcourt. Check the standings if you disagree. Adding Butler and Wade doesn't improve our backcourt to the point where it is worth a top 4 pick. Like, at all.

Further, simply keeping the pick will also provide a backcourt upgrade. One that won't force us to let IT and/or Bradley walk in free agency in 18 months.

In sum, our future looks fine regardless, and we both know that this sort of short-term move doesn't make us a contender.

So. Why. Do. It?

[Captain_Caveman]

uh, i and 1'd your post?

In my defense, I led with "if", lol.

[Bulls03]

Nah.

And then we'd be screwed.

I mean seriously, if those guys are actually so much better than IT/Bradley/Smart, how come we are 5 games up on you despite having some of the most injuries in the league this year?

Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk?

What? That doesn't even make sense.

You guys have a far better coach and much better role players so that's probably why.

Are you telling me IT/Bradley/Smart is better than IT/Wade/Butler? I hope that's not what you're saying. You guys need a little more star power and in this deal we sent you 2 star level players in the playoffs for Bradley a couple role players and 2 picks.

All I am saying is that while I think Butler is an upgrade, you are way overstating the value of that for us. We already have a good backcourt. Check the standings if you disagree. Adding Butler and Wade doesn't improve our backcourt to the point where it is worth a top 4 pick. Like, at all.

Further, simply keeping the pick will also provide a backcourt upgrade. One that won't force us to let IT and/or Bradley walk in free agency in 18 months.

In sum, our future looks fine regardless, and we both know that this sort of short-term move doesn't make us a contender.

So. Why. Do. It?

So if adding a top 10 player and another really good player who are both very good players doesn't make you a contender, what will?

[Bulls03]

Wade's no longer a star.

He's still a hell of a player.

[jfs1000d]

This thread is getting out of control. Not like it was ever really in control.

If you are talking about me, I don't think I am being unfair.

Butler is an upgrade, and maybe Wade would be for a few months, but it really doesn't improve us to the point where we'd contend, or where it validates giving up an all-but-guaranteed top 4 pick in a strong draft that is all but sure to provide backcourt upgrades much cheaper.

I was totally down for Butler above and beyond what most posters thought was fair last year, and would still overpay.

But really, how good was the Ray Allen trade if it didn't lead to the KG trade?

Without a follow-up haymaker to a Butler trade, how much of a difference does it really and truly make?

Bottom line is that fans of teams around the league are over here concocting trades to get those Nets picks. Can't blame them. Butler is among the most reasonable options out of all of them.

But we are not dealing from a position of weakness here. Our do nothing option is getting better all the time.

This is fair Cave, but you also have to consider that the pick you get will never be as good as Butler, and even if it was, would be years away.

Everyone loves the draft picks until 2 weeks after the draft when they are watched in summer league.

Butler is worth the Brooklyn pick, onjecticely.


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[London2Boston]

What? That doesn't even make sense.

You guys have a far better coach and much better role players so that's probably why.

Are you telling me IT/Bradley/Smart is better than IT/Wade/Butler? I hope that's not what you're saying. You guys need a little more star power and in this deal we sent you 2 star level players in the playoffs for Bradley a couple role players and 2 picks.

All I am saying is that while I think Butler is an upgrade, you are way overstating the value of that for us. We already have a good backcourt. Check the standings if you disagree. Adding Butler and Wade doesn't improve our backcourt to the point where it is worth a top 4 pick. Like, at all.

Further, simply keeping the pick will also provide a backcourt upgrade. One that won't force us to let IT and/or Bradley walk in free agency in 18 months.

In sum, our future looks fine regardless, and we both know that this sort of short-term move doesn't make us a contender.

So. Why. Do. It?

So if adding a top 10 player and another really good player who are both very good players doesn't make you a contender, what will?

There is a team with three superstars averaging 20+ and the DPOY to be. There is another team with a top 5 all time player alongside one of the best playoff performers in the league and a big averaging 20 and 10. There is no quick fix to contend against that bar a miracle AD and PG/other stud wing acquisition. Objectively speaking, Butler is a beast that is worth the pick probably, but there is no need to rush things with the league how it is.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Wade's no longer a star.

He's still a hell of a player.

No better than Bradley.

[Captain_Caveman]

So if adding a top 10 player and another really good player who are both very good players doesn't make you a contender, what will?

Getting Butler without giving up 200% of his peak value?

Other trades?

Or just keeping the picks?

Again, if they are so good, why are you guys under .500 right now?

If we trade for them, are they going to suddenly sprout wings and fart magic rivers of gold and chocolate?

There's a reason you are on our board and not the other way around.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Wade's no longer a star.

He's still a hell of a player.

Streaky player who bullys and uses what little finesse he has left to get himself to the rim. Only puts in effort when he wants to, seems like a hof on the decline if I've ever seen one buddy

[Captain_Caveman]

This thread is getting out of control. Not like it was ever really in control.

If you are talking about me, I don't think I am being unfair.

Butler is an upgrade, and maybe Wade would be for a few months, but it really doesn't improve us to the point where we'd contend, or where it validates giving up an all-but-guaranteed top 4 pick in a strong draft that is all but sure to provide backcourt upgrades much cheaper.

I was totally down for Butler above and beyond what most posters thought was fair last year, and would still overpay.

But really, how good was the Ray Allen trade if it didn't lead to the KG trade?

Without a follow-up haymaker to a Butler trade, how much of a difference does it really and truly make?

Bottom line is that fans of teams around the league are over here concocting trades to get those Nets picks. Can't blame them. Butler is among the most reasonable options out of all of them.

But we are not dealing from a position of weakness here. Our do nothing option is getting better all the time.

This is fair Cave, but you also have to consider that the pick you get will never be as good as Butler, and even if it was, would be years away.

Everyone loves the draft picks until 2 weeks after the draft when they are watched in summer league.

Butler is worth the Brooklyn pick, onjecticely.


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I don't agree. Let them get that top 4 pick from some other team that's not offering it.